Glad that at least they found the wreckage.
Sad, surreal story that shouldn't have happened, almost out of the '50s or '60s.
Sad, surreal story that shouldn't have happened, almost out of the '50s or '60s.
Emiliano Sala: Rest In Peace
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Thanks for the valuable knowledge about the parachutes and life raft.
That is awful feeling of helplessness for them on board. Rest in peace Sala.
That is awful feeling of helplessness for them on board. Rest in peace Sala.
As others have said, at least it'll hopefully provide the mourning families with some closure.
R.I.P. Emiliano. Such a sad end 
It's astonishing such an expensive signing is made to board such a dodgy plane.
These planes even don't have life jackets?
They have lifejackets
So there could still be a possibility of their bodies floating on the water? The temperature might have been the decisive factor. A Miracle is least expected though.
In this case, no.
"All I will say about the wreckage is there is a substantial amount of wreckage on the seabed."
Translation: High speed impact, instant death. I'd be surprised if they put any lifejackets on
RiP. Very, very sad.
I'm not sure to be honest. Smaller airplanes that aren't designed to fly over large air bodies like the channel aren't required to carry lifejackets - just seatbottom cushions. The Piper itself isn't really an overseas airplane but designed for small hops.
However if we're using the FAA for example:
Of course I highly doubt Sala wore a lifejacket in the duration of the flight, being a private jet.
Since the aircraft is recovered we most likely will have more information in the coming months, but structurally this aircraft isn't designed to carry passengers overseas, and whether the flight covered a distance more than 100 nautical miles - where you are required to be equipped with life vests.
My assumption was that as soon as he was hired to fly Sala over the channel, he was obligated to make lifejackets available, but i can easily be mistaken.
Not that it makes much of a difference in this case anyway.
Yeah unfortunately it won't make a difference in a case like this.
The only thing that needs to be investigated is whether it is a pilot error or mechanical error (ice build up on the wings causing the request to slide to a lower altitude before losing contact) in order to prevent cases like this!
A single propeller like that shouldn't be allowed to make night hops, especially after all those unsuccessful take offs and considering the conditions might have not being the best during the time.
I don't think it necessarily means that but for the families' sake I hope so. The wreckage was found miles away (24 miles north of Guernsey) from any land so even if they had managed to escape before it crashed and survived impact - both of which are very unlikely - they wouldn't have lasted long so just the news that the wreckage was found would have been devastating. If they have found the bodies, they'll be badly decomposed and sea life would have done a lot of damage too so they won't be a pretty sight.
What transpired that night after all that odd variables like weather condition and failed take offs will remain a mystery that needs to be solved.
Who insisted on flying and all that, I really want to know.
Will air crash detectives try to get the full chronology of what happened or usually small aircraft accidents isn't worth the effort?
Do planes still not have floatation devices? It's crazy that it still isn't mandatory or at least a new rule. Invent the damn things into planes. You'd think owners with €100m planes will want to be salvage at least. It'll save countless lives. Horrible way to go.
No many planes can actually land on water safely. It's not like you hit the water and the plane keeps itself together. Take the 737 for example, when they plane hits the water it can't skim the surface gently with it's belly. The two engine acts like cups and drag the plane violently that it actually breaks the plane into pieces.
Only planes with engines on the back like an MD-83 and the like would do it much safer. If you also take into account those who did crash in the water, they didn't just lose power or fuel, they either exploded in the air or stalled due to some kind of failure or another.
This would mean when the plane hits the water, what's a flotation device going to do when every one is dead and the place is in a million pieces.
Salvaging an 737 from the water or so anyway would be a right off. Too much water damage to make it worth while.
Planes float, depending on circumstances, for a period of time that allows safe exit (See Hudson River landing).
Building floatation devices into the fuselage makes no sense whatsoever, i have absolutely no idea why you think it'll save countless lives.
They have insurance on planes. The costs of salvaging a crashed plane to fully repair it are astronomical, the structural damages to the fuselage, exposed to seawater, you'd basically be looking at rebuilding it from scratch while the producer has to guarantee that it's still as safe as it was when it was delivered from the factory, good luck with that.
I'm honestly a bit perplexed by some of the posts in this thread, the general naivity when it comes to high impact crashes is absurd, not to mention the ability to survive in open sea
2,000ft is generally the cut off to open a parachute from free fall. Flying at 2,300 feet they'd have no time to do anything.
I still think the likelihood is the wings iced up and the plane stalled, which would lead to a relatively slow impact into a small area of water i.e a little debris but a recogniseable aircraft on the seabed.
One body found in the wreckage according to BBC.
Same here. That flight shouldn't have been allowed to take off. Shades of Munich as well. When circumstances are on the edge you should never allow flights like that and put lives at stake.
It certainly is. Read somewhere that accidents with small aircrafts has risen for this decade 20-25% which is a lot. And usually they all result in fatal crashes. Most of the time is insufficient training and pilot errors. I've read that the pilot himself was rusty and even if ice occurred on the wings you never know whether the pilot didn't make things worse or acted accordingly.
If the plane stalls the time from the stall to it spiraling down and falling like a rock could be literally seconds.
We don't know the angle of attack at which the stall (if it was a stall) occurred and it could be accelerated to some serious numbers. A small aircraft in accelerated stall from 2000 ft. could still be obliterated on impact.
Just saw the breaking news. How have they found a body within the wreckage. I mean, what techniques are they using at the moment? They haven’t got a submarine or anything right? And surely they didn’t pick up a body via sonar?
Relatively slow still could be 100+mph. Slow enough to keep it in recognisable pieces, unlike powered flight into terrain. AF447 hit water at about 110mph IIRC.
Cardiff offered to make arrangements for travel, but the player decided to arrange the transport himself. a crazy decision given the plane and weather conditions.
There's possibility the plane skidded of the water if the pilot lost awareness of the altitude. The Piper should have GPWS equipped with it (although I saw it was optional on some units) but still with no visibility and if he was disoriented might be an option.
Without a black box would be pretty tough for investigators to understand what happened unfortunately...
Not over water, but flying at night in instruments only conditions is also what led to the Buddy Holly/Big Bopper/Richie Valens crash in the 1950s.
Sad stuff.
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Hindsight is wonderful but surely you take the better option of a commercial flight from Paris to Cardiff, so very sad.
A body was found in the plane. Safe to assume the plane went down violently.
Animals are so precious.
Really good news that they've found the plane. Must be horrible for the family whose body it isn't as they're still waiting for that final bit of closure. Fantastic effort again by all involved in the rescue team however and they deserve commendation. Hopefully both Sala and the pilots families nightmare is almost ending and they can mourn properly.
Too soon guys.
Business is business unfortunately
I was wondering when this would happen. A really horrible situation that has just got worse.
Got to try and continue as normal as possible despite the horrible circumstances.
I have no idea if clubs carry out insurance for such purposes, I’d assume so?
I would imagine every Premier League teams has insurance, just like any other company would insure posessions vital to the firm.
I suppose if all the paperwork was signed then technically he was a Cardiff player at the time of the crash? It's Cardiff's insurers who have to pay out, assuming they have insurance, and Cardiff have to pay Nantes.