Given that the two leaks contains snips about understanding this and that, source from Cardiff reports etc etc, it seems to be pretty clear that the leaks are linked to Cardiff.
Emiliano Sala: Rest In Peace
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran discuss a horrific month of December and a depressing FOUR defeats in a row - the latest coming against Wolves and Newcastle.
They discuss how much blame is on Ruben Amorim and rank our squad against other Premier League teams.
Do we have any chance of avoiding defeat at Anfield?
Given that the two leaks contains snips about understanding this and that, source from Cardiff reports etc etc, it seems to be pretty clear that the leaks are linked to Cardiff.
nantes want the full payment for sala which makes sense tbh.
Sky Sports News understands the club feels it necessary for the salvage operation in the Channel to be concluded and for both the Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) and the police to conclude their investigations before any payments are made.
Cardiff believe there are a series of questions that still need answering, most notably about the ownership of the Piper Malibu aircraft which crashed North of Guernsey on January 21.
They are also keen to discover why, if as has been suggested, Sala's plane tried to take off on three separate occasions before beginning its final journey towards Cardiff.
Sounds like someone doesn't have their paperwork in order
Cardiff believe there are a series of questions that still need answering, most notably about the ownership of the Piper Malibu aircraft which crashed North of Guernsey on January 21.
They are also keen to discover why, if as has been suggested, Sala's plane tried to take off on three separate occasions before beginning its final journey towards Cardiff.
Sounds like someone doesn't have their paperwork in order
That's terrible of them.
Also, I thought the transfer had been completed? In that case Cardiff should pay up. The transfer dealing and the accident are surely two separate things. How is Nantes responsible when they didn't book the plane?
Does sound like Cardiff want to find a way out of paying.
That makes absolutely no sense.
Yeah they are trying to get out of the completed deal. So let's say the agent who arranged the plane is legally somehow partly employed by Nantes because he did a job there, then maybe the lawyers could argue that while Sala wanted the direct flight and the agent wanted to indulge him, Nantes is somehow partly financially liable for not delivering the "package". A bit far fetched, as the player was sold and no longer an employee of Nantes but of Cardiff. But what is not far fetched is that Cardiff seems to be looking for loopholes.
I agree. What??
Seems a d*ckish move by Cardiff if I am reading between the lines. Nantes sold the player, so Cardiff need to honour the payment structure of the contract signed. Regardless of the tragedy that followed. If Cardiff did their own paperwork correctly, such as insurance on the transfer fee they will be covered, they should not be withholding payments to Nantes while they are awaiting this outcome. Cardiff clearly liable for payments to Nantes (who may well be relying on this to help any cash flow issues they may have).
This all leaves a poor taste in the mouth when they are trying to drag a dead body 60m underwater
I find it odd that they are making this public, surely this is the type of thing you do under the radar.
If it's their leak it was probably some dumb idiot on their PR team who was thinking they could get public opinion on their side by making Nantes look insensitive. Pretty vile if that was the case, and I hope it backfires massively.
Nantes deserve to be paid in full, sucks for Cardiff obviously paying 15m for a player who never kicked a ball for them. But Nantes shouldn’t miss out on both accounts
Why not ?
Split.the.money. Contract or not that is the fair and respectful thing to do in this situation. Am I crazy ?
Nah, me & everyone I've spoken to immediately suggested the same thing. Cardiff should just pay half the fee to Nantes.
Well, putting all the tragedy aside this was a completed business arrangement. The player had signed his contract for Cardiff. So, Cardiff need to pay Nantes and then claim on the insurance that I assume they have in place.
The worst part is that Cardiff is like "we are mourning, how dare you", while it's like when your office hires a new employee and (s)he has an accident before the first day... a shock and tragic but you hardly knew the person and the real ones mourning are (besides family and friends) the former employer and colleagues. Nantes are the true mourning party. First they lost the player (like Cardiff later), then they lost the person, then Cardiff doesn't pay and acts shocked. This is extra hurt for Nantes, not Cardiff.
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That’s what I’m saying both clubs “lost” in this unfortunate situation so it does not make sense for Cardiff to pay 15M for a player they are not getting and it also does not make sense for Nantes not to get money because they lost the player as well as the “money”. They both should do a gentleman’s agreement and split the 15M.
They definitely are just stalling to get their insurance money before paying Cardiff, hence making sure all details are in order
Well i understand that but when it comes to the insurance part I have no idea how that works In this situation or how it’s done money wise but I was just thinking of the fair thing to do contract or not.
Are you sure this is true? Is it something all EPL clubs do and is known? I know of contintental clubs who don't (but also deal with a lot less money, but still...) do such insurances.
I would not be surprised if it was an issue of insurance. I know of families who have had to wait years for life insurance to pay up. The body needs to be officially declared dead as well as the cause of death being determined. In cases of accidents where inquests are taking place this can take up to years. It only adds to the suffering of families involved.
Besides a cute little emoji want to actually say something ? Because IF I am wrong I rather be educated on it. But go ahead bro your contribution is great on this matter round of applause.
Yeah insurance companies...
Personally I can't wait until Sala is rescued from wild and uncharted areas of Guernsey while talking to a washed ashore volleyball.Yeah but did it need to be made public so soon? Have they even recovered his body yet?
Nantes sold their player for £15m. They are fully entitled to that entire fee.
This has been debated quite a lot but why would an insurance company pay out in this situation? I would assume insurance is for the purposes of an injury not this type of situation.
I’ve also read that Bordeaux are due 50% of the fee.
I’m no expert (far from it), but I’d imagine the players are insured by the clubs for things like death, long term sickness/injury. Very valuable assets not to be insured.
I could be talking total boll*cks.
I agree BUT in this circumstance don’t you think splitting it would be the fair thing.
While technically it's Cardiff's loss and he was no longer Nantes employee, even if Nantes would entertain such a notion, it would be to Nantes to give, and not to Cardiff to take by not paying.
The reason Nantes have disappointed me is because Cardiff have allegedly said they’re happy to honour the contract after everything about the situation has been made clear. I mean they’re still searching for the body at the bottom of the fecking ocean, Nantes should show some respect and be patient.
What clarity can the coming weeks and months bring that is relevant to the transaction between Cardiff and Nantes?
The Telegraph makes the point that there are also agent's fees and a £3m payment to Nantes should Cardiff stay in the PL.
Nantes agreed a deadline for the first payment with them, and probably have taken that income into account for the planning of their own finances, such as paying wages or buying a player themselves. It's probably a direct hurt. Cardiff however have the spare budget for the first payment (or they wouldn't have bought him), don't have the financial obligations as Nantes have with that extra income, and for them it's just the indirect loss of possible extra quality in the squad (possible as he was unproven in the PL) and the possible yet unproven difference between staying in or the Championship in the longer term.
There’s a serious investigation going on about an expensive footballer. They’re professional clubs conducting business, yes, but this obviously has a much more human element so Nantes should just allow the body to be retrieved and allow Cardiff to be certain nothing untoward happened before publicly whinging about the money. It’s not going to be long. Are they that broke or something?
What has a possible 3m bonus for staying in the PL (as to determined later) have to do with the first payment at a certain deadline as agreed?
Obviously Nantes wouldn't get a bonus if there where clauses for goals scored or games played, etc., but Nantes is complaining about the first payment, not about later bonuses yet to be proven.
I don't know if they are broke and all sources lead it to being Cardiff who made it public. I should hope the investigations seriousness isn't affected by his status, I'd assume they would investigate just as thoroughly for anyone who lost their lives in a similar fashion (I might well be a bit naive regarding that, but generally aircraft crashes are investigated thoroughly when it's possible, to the best of my knowledge).
The whole thing stinks with all these agents involved who had nothing to do with the player but just jumped on looking for a cut .
I wouldn't be surprised if the player never even wanted to leave Nantes
I wouldn't be surprised if the player never even wanted to leave Nantes
Have a feeling Cardiff and Nantes are going to court.
This is just nonsense. The guy was a player about to reach his dream, the mighty PL. He was no expert in aviation nor his agent, and was happy to take a direct flight. It was a very tragic accident. Cardiff and Nantes are now arguing about 15m. That's a completely different story.
The issue is, its seems like its Cardiff that have made it public