The temperature in the channel at this time of year is around 10 degrees. You will fall unconscious after around 60 minutes in such water, and maximum survival time is around 3 hours.
http://www.seagrant.umn.edu/coastal_communities/hypothermia
Emiliano Sala: Rest In Peace
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The temperature in the channel at this time of year is around 10 degrees. You will fall unconscious after around 60 minutes in such water, and maximum survival time is around 3 hours.
http://www.seagrant.umn.edu/coastal_communities/hypothermia
210,000 euros at the moment
1) Rabiot: 25,000 euros
2) Sports Cover: 20,000 euros
3) Payet: 10,000 euros
4) G-K: 10,000 euros
5) Kita family: 6,000
Those who donated in the world football
Nantes
Charles Traoré
René Khrin
Nicolas Pallois
Lucas Lima
Ciprian Tatarusanu
Fabio
Diego Carlos
Samuel Moutoussamy
Valentin Rongier
Vahid Halilhodzic
La famille Kita
Amiens
Alexis Blin
Prince Gouano
Angers
Baptiste Santamaria
Romain Thomas
Thomas Touré
Ludovic Butelle
Stephane Bahoken
Cristian Lopez
Bordeaux
Jaroslav Plasil
Vukasin Jovanovic
Milan Gajic
Benoit Costil
Gaëtan Poussin
Caen
Erwin Zelazny
Frédéric Guilbert
Paul Reulet
Casimir Ninga
Paul Baysse
Alexander Djiku
Prince Oniangue
Dijon
Florent Balmont
Guingamp
Etienne Didot
Nicolas Benezet
Nolan Roux
Lucas Deaux
Ludovc Blas
Jocelyn Gourvennec
Lyon
Jérémy Morel
Léo Dubois
Rafael
Lucas Tousart
Marseille
Dimitri Payet
Monaco
William Vainqueur
Montpellier
Florent Mollet
Paul Lasne
Damien Le Tallec
Pedro Mendes
Gaetan Laborde
Ruben Aguilar
Nice
Olivier Boscagli
Jean-Victor Makengo
Hadi Sacko
Nîmes
Baptiste Guillaume
Renaud RIpart
Umut Bozok
Gaëtan Paquiez
Anthoyn Briançon
Antonin Bobichon
Baptiste Valette
Pierrick Valdivia
Laurent Boissier (directeur sportif)
PSG
Thilo Kehrer
Adrien Rabiot
Reims
Axel Disasi
Xavier Chavalerin
Remi Oudin
Rennes
Damien Da Silva
Romain Del Castillo
Clément Grenier
Benjamin André
Saint-Étienne
Robert Beric
Wahbi Khazri
Bernard Caïazzo
Strasbourg
Bingourou Kamara
Lamine Koné
Eiji Kawashima
Benjamin Corgnet
Adrien Thomasson
Toulouse
Yannick Cahuzac
Yann Bodiger.
Others
Geoffrey Kondogbia (Valence)
Laurent Koscielny (Arsenal)
Corentin Tolisso (Bayern Munich)
Papu Gomez (Atalanta)
Maxime Gonalons (FC Séville)
Karl Toko Ekambi (Villarreal)
Guillaume Hoarau (Young Boys Berne, SUI)
Josuha Guilavogui (Wolfsburg)
Nordi Mukiele (RB Leipzig)
Maxime Lemarchand (Fulham)
Jordan Veretout (Fiorentina)
Karim Fradin (président de Niort)
Pierre Bouby (Orléans)
Adrien Regattin (Belediyespor, TUR)
Benjamin Leroy (AC Ajaccio)
Nicolas Belvito (Grenoble)
Chaouki Ben Saada (Troyes)
Jean-Luc Vasseur (entraîneur)
Julien Cetout (AS Béziers)
Olivier Veigneau (Kasimpasa, TUR)
Rémi Gomis (FC Wil, SUI)
Jordan Loties (KAS Eupen, BEL)
Delvin Ndinga (Sivasspor, TUR)
Joris Sainati (Lorient)
Gaël Danic (Laval)
Yacouba Sylla (Malines, BEL)
Antony Robic (Nancy)
Vincent Muratori (Nancy)
Jessy Pi (Brest)
Sebastien Roudet (Valenciennes)
Rémy Dugimont (Auxerre)
Bryan Bergougnoux (Thonon)
Geoffrey Jourdren (sans club)
Benoît Trémoulinas (sans club)
Matt Miazga (Reading)
Vincent Bessat (Famagouste, CHY)
Koffi Djidji (Torino, ITA)
Foued Kadir (Martigues)
Romain Métanire (Minnesota, USA)
Rémy Riou (Charleroi, BEL)
Sloan Privat (Osmanlispor, TUR)
Jonathan Martins Pereira (Lorient)
Kevin Fortuné (Troyes)
Matthias Autret (Brest)
Quentin Bernard (Brest)
Lassana Koulibaly (Rangers, ECO)
Alexy Bosetti (Energy FC, USA)
Donovan Leon (Brest)
Gaëtan Charbonnier (Brest)
Yohan Mollo (Krylia Sovetov, RUS)
Jean-Louis Leca (Lens)
Anthony Weber (Brest)
Anthony Rogie (Quevilly-Rouen)
Vincent Labrune (ancien président)
Patrice Garande (entraîneur)
Olivier Frapolli (entraîneur)
Guillaume Moullec (retraité)
Pierre Ducasse (retraité)
Brahim Thiam (retraité)
Valérien Ismaël (retraité)
Guillaume Warmuz (retraité)
Olivier Monterrubio (retraité)
Abdeslam Ouadou (retraité)
Thibaut Giresse (retraité)
David Terrier (retraité)
Sylvain Kastendeuch (retraité)
José Pierre-Fanfan (retraité).
Ilkay Gündogan, le milieu de terrain de Manchester City,
Kalidou Koulibaly, le défenseur de Naples,
UNFP, 5000 euros
l'Union internationale des footballeurs professionnels -10 000 euros.
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Do you not think that it’s a complete cop out. It’s literally a meaningless act. It’s just a way of showing “support” without actually doing anything proactive.
What can they do? That’s why everyone feels so helpless. Literally all you have to offer is well wishes, hopes and prayers. It’s not a lot but it’s all you have.
Like others have said Aguero could easily donate 100k to continue the search without an issue and not put a dent in his finances, I feel if he truly cared he would donate a large sum of money to continue the search instead of just writing a message.
Plus I feel like Cardiff and Nantes Should be funding something jointly too....Cardiff especially considering their owner is worth over £800 million.
The saying Actions speak louder than words applies here and to many tragic events.
Sorry I completely disagree. It’s quite hypocritical of fans telling Aguero to fund the search yet not one of them has given their money for the cause. Just look at the replies to that tweet and the number of posters in this thread. You really going to tell me all thousands of fans can’t contibute to fund something they are shaming Aguero for not doing? We as fans have it easy and can blame footballers but when it comes to doing something, we’d rather hide behind a keyboard, including myself. You could start a gofundme page and you would be a better person than me. Like you say, talk is cheap.
It's all speculation though, we don't know what Aguero/Cardiff are or aren't doing to help. The only thing we know for sure is that he's tweeted about it. I'm willing to bet that they're not sitting back doing nothing when they could be doing something though.
So Aguero forfeits the right to give an opinion/give his well-wishes on literally any incident simply because he's rich? Do you realise that, for every social/cultural/political issue that Aguero (or other celebs, for that matter) may weigh in on, he (or they) would have a thousand pests telling him/them to "donate a weeks wage if they care so much"? If he had to donate money to every issue he was even remotely emotionally invested in, he'd be fecking bankrupt. Do you put forth a weeks wage every time you hear of an incident that tugs at your heartstrings?
He doesn't have to donate to every cause going.
But in this one instance, if he, personally, really thought there was a hope in hell that Sala was alive and he felt strongly enough about it to care, he'd have donated enough to search for him.
Instead his PR team posted to get him good publicity and appear like he cares. I'd be surprised if he's even thought about it personally beyond a cursory glance at the news. It's all a cynical show designed to draw good reactions from people and absolutely nothing to do with Sala.
If you don't see what's wrong with that then you're far too nice to image consultants and far too naive to the world of publicity.
There's absolutely no genuine feelings here.
Of course that's a consideration. It's very possible that it's a play at good publicity. It's also possible that it's not a publicity play. An important point to note (one that you apparently failed to consider) is that Aguero and Sala are both Argentinian. There's a distinct possibility that he did know the guy, at least superficially or in passing. Your counter may be that if he did know him, he should donate money but, again, it's not up to us to police how one spends their earnings. As someone said above, he may have donated his money anyway. We can't be sure of all the happenings behind the scenes.
Anyone over the age of 12 has seen celebs post virtuous tweets outwardly displaying how good a person they are, for mere attention/good publicity. I'm not an idiot. It could be, however, that sometimes there are wholesome intentions behind such tweets. I'd counter that it's actually you that looks a little naive if you always, unquestionably cry foul every time you see a tweet of this ilk.
Many have given their well wishes in this thread - is that 'virtue signalling' too? Perhaps it is. Perhaps it isn't. I honestly think there's some resentment or jealousy at play. It seems, to me, like classic tall poppy syndrome re the apparent anger towards Aguero.
The clubs failing to give money for an additional search is not because they don't care. It's because the poor guy died nearly a week ago and everyone knows it.
In these cases don't the engine manufacturers or the airplane manufacturers finance the search too? I remember Airbus funding the 447 search, they are the most interested party in knowing wtf made the plane fall.
Probably the case tbh. There may have been a very brief window in which they could’ve recovered his body when the gas built up inside causing him to float but now it’s likely hes sunk to the bottom of the sea and won’t be found ever.
Same for the poor pilot which everyone seems to forget about in their tweets which annoyed me. A family has lost a husband and father yet barely any mention of him.
Just come across some info about him.
He has twin sons both on the books of Cardiff City, aged 22 both signed for Cardiff in January last year. Neither have made an appearance. They both signed for Leeds in January 2016 and had 1 appearance between them. Previously they were both at Doncaster and 1 of them played 4 games.
'Striker' Jack McKay has one senior goal in his career which came while on loan at Scottish third tier side Airdrieonians. One in 15 for him there, it's no wonder Cardiff would want him.
Mckay's Nephew, Billy Whitehouse was also at Doncaster and Leeds, failing to make much of an impression at all. He managed 6 games for Doncaster, none for Leeds.
Hmmmm, all three sign for fairly big clubs yet seem to be out of their depth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_McKay_(footballer,_born_1996)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_McKay_(footballer,_born_1996)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Whitehouse
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I'm well aware that Aguero and Sala are both Argentinian but given Sala has never played for Argentina nor played in the same league at the same time or same country at the same time as Aguero it's still a remote possibility that they knew each other.
And I agree it's not up to us to police how they spend their hard earned cash. It's not about that. It's the sheer obvious point that if any of those that have donated or posted well wishes on social media that have the means to pay for the entire thing themselves really believed that they could find Sala and the pilot alive and they genuinely cared about them to the point where they want them back, they absolutely would pay for it themselves and make sure the search was done properly.
As they didn't, it's safe to assume that they're complete token gestures and they all know that both of them are dead and therefore it's cynical publicity designed to get people to think about them in a nice way.
Many in this thread have given their well wishes but they are not in a position where they can actually do something about finding Sala whereas footballers genuinely are and they aren't doing anything about it.
Yes, on the surface it's a nice gesture and they don't have to do anything if they don't want to so those that have donated to the fund can feel a tiny bit better about themselves and I'll give them that but they could and should do more if they actually give a shit. The fact that they haven't means they don't and it's publicity pandering.
This was never about Aguero specifically for me so I don't give a shit that he's a City player and yeah, maybe I have jealousy that they're so rich or maybe I think if I was rich and I actually thought there was a possibility of finding them, I'd donate the lot. To me it's about all of them and what they're trying to achieve and that isn't trying to find Sala and the pilot in reality. The way Aguero's tweet was written suggested it was his PR team typing it out and definitely not him and it's the same for many of them. Cynical ploys.
I'd prefer it if they said nothing other than perhaps that they were sorry for their loss. Instead they offer false hope and false wishes and prayers to the family and that just drags out their grieving process. We all know they're dead and the chances of finding the bodies are remote at best, probably impossible now given the time period so just leave it or keep it private. Instead they go public and then you have to wonder why.
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I saw that.
It was a screenshot of a list of donors to the search fund.
David De Gea, or someone calling themselves that (I would have assumed can you donate under a pseudonym) gave €10. There was then a quip along the lines of him really needing his new contract if that was all he could afford to give.
My first thought too. Why a single engine aircraft for a professional player and crossing the water too?
What a strange thing to be bothered about. Have you thought that perhaps it's a bit of relief to the family that there are citizens willing to help stretch the search for at least finding the bodies which, believe it or not, makes a big difference to the family than just having someone disappear never to be found again. You worry about giving the family false hope, but I think deep down they already know the truth. If the bodies can at least be found, it will help them find closure. This is what the donations are for, not to mislead anybody into thinking there's still some hope. You think that just having money will immediately give access to finding a couple of bodies in the ocean? It's very possible that even with all the money in the world those bodies will never be found, but if there's a chance at least that can be done, it'll have been a good gesture from everyone who contributed to it. As far as trying to look good in a PR sense, it's damn if you do and damn if you don't. People express themselves on social media nowadays, they also do a lot of things in private that never gets reported due to the fact that they are private. I just think you're being a bit cynical and you mention some jealousy as well and it's possibly tainting your view a bit of the events.
I am very cynical of modern PR @Sayros and I owned up to potential jealousy (albeit I don't actually think I want to be rich and famous personally, I'd hate the invasion of privacy, I just actually want to help people without needing approval and don't feel a social media PR exercise is helping anyone).
I will wholeheartedly concede that without the cynicism, on the face of it, donating any money whatsoever to a family that you don't know to help them in a time of grief (or any trouble) is certainly a noble and good act and I won't take that away from those that have donated. It's just that I feel that displaying it publicly doesn't actually accomplish anything for anyone other than the celebrities themselves getting good PR. It's quite conceivable that lots of things have been done in private and I've got a lot of time and respect for those that offer the same help and don't need the approval of millions but the tweets and public donations just smack of PR bods taking over and controlling the narrative to suit their clients, I can't get that out of my head. Image and optics are paramount to modern celebrities, it's an inescapable fact and I abhor the whole culture around it.
I can't say what I'd do if I was a rich celebrity because maybe it would change me completely as a person but I'd much rather never receive public praise for it and instead just be safe in the knowledge that I've helped someone/people in need. I'd almost be mortified if it came out that I'd donated millions to different causes because it takes it away from the cause itself and makes it about me.
None of us know whether the players are being genuine or not so if they genuinely are I apologise for my cynicism for whatever that's worth.
As it is, can we just focus on finding out what happened and leave the family to grieve surrounded by people that genuinely support them and care about them? I hope they find the bodies and if the money donated by the players achieves that then absolutely fantastic given the circumstances.
I will wholeheartedly concede that without the cynicism, on the face of it, donating any money whatsoever to a family that you don't know to help them in a time of grief (or any trouble) is certainly a noble and good act and I won't take that away from those that have donated. It's just that I feel that displaying it publicly doesn't actually accomplish anything for anyone other than the celebrities themselves getting good PR. It's quite conceivable that lots of things have been done in private and I've got a lot of time and respect for those that offer the same help and don't need the approval of millions but the tweets and public donations just smack of PR bods taking over and controlling the narrative to suit their clients, I can't get that out of my head. Image and optics are paramount to modern celebrities, it's an inescapable fact and I abhor the whole culture around it.
I can't say what I'd do if I was a rich celebrity because maybe it would change me completely as a person but I'd much rather never receive public praise for it and instead just be safe in the knowledge that I've helped someone/people in need. I'd almost be mortified if it came out that I'd donated millions to different causes because it takes it away from the cause itself and makes it about me.
None of us know whether the players are being genuine or not so if they genuinely are I apologise for my cynicism for whatever that's worth.
As it is, can we just focus on finding out what happened and leave the family to grieve surrounded by people that genuinely support them and care about them? I hope they find the bodies and if the money donated by the players achieves that then absolutely fantastic given the circumstances.
Nice touch.
Amazing they have just given up on finding the aircraft and finding out what happened. I suppose if it's not a commercial flight the authorities don't really care.
They’ve searched the area they expected and couldn’t find them or the plane.
Unfortunately there’s only so much you can do.
Sala was terribly unlucky, as he should never even got on that plane.
It's unreasonable to expect them to search the depths of millions of square feet of sea and ocean- they could have been carried away god knows where. They are gone and that's that, no matter how tragic it is that's the way it is. Laying blame and saying people don't care is terribly disrespectful.
They've covered an enormous area and have found very little. There comes a point when resources can be better used elsewhere.
What i mean is, if it was a 737 full of passengers they would be searching the ocean floor by now with investigators from across the globe involved. A single engine light aircraft doesn't attract the same kind of resources.
A 737 can seat over 200 passengers. Rightly or wrongly, hundreds of lives are valued higher than 2, it's also be considerably easier to find.
Like Malaysia Airlines 370, which is still not found to date?
Class act by Arsenal
It would also be funded by the airline itself. The issue is it’s a private plane, probably insured for very little.
A 747 would also be much easier to find in the water.
They're still looking for that, 5 years on.
The problem is the area they are looking at is just so huge. You look at it on the map and it does not look that big. But it is massive. It is like trying to find a needle in a haystack literally.
You can apply the same to Sala. The area looks very small on a map. The reality is that its very large.
Last time i checked there's no ongoing searches, SBC (probably my favourite vessel) funded by Ocean Infinity was the last one to do an extensive search for it.
The article doesn't clarify. It would be pretty badass if he shows up alive. Hoping for the best.
Aren't these just pieces of debris that floated? And thus made their way to shore?
I'd imagine this doesn't help a great deal - the rest of the plane (and unfortunately the bodies) will be at the bottom of the sea.