Have you contributed 0.001% of your hard earned money for this cause? But you're still posting on social media about your concerns.
Emiliano Sala: Rest In Peace
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Have you contributed 0.001% of your hard earned money for this cause? But you're still posting on social media about your concerns.
It's no easy task but I think closure for the family is really important. Im also thinking how resilient humans can be...people survive...and yeah it's hope. But just doesn't feel right to just say ok we're done. Just so sad.
The absolute bunch of numpties criticizing Aguero for the tweet, was it Pogba for a french player, attitudes would be very different. Some people in this thread need to take a look at themselves and maybe post about their donations. Also people have no clue what Aguero has or has not donated, offered to donate or anything else. fecking clowns turning a mans probable death and a tweet asking not to stop searching as any excuse to beat a City player with a stick.
Mate it is sick. Club allegiances should have no bearing in incidents like this. Fair play to Aguero for showing his support and who knows what he has contributed behind the scenes to the cause. More than myself I'd wager. Don't let the trolls get you down, most will understand that a lot of things go well outside a football pitch.
I completely understand that emotions are running high.
But Aguero is contributing to putting pressure on an incredibly small group of volunteers, a group that already has the eyes of the world on it. A group that has already done all they can. Everything that could have been asked of them. I know one or two of the group personally. They are dead on their feet.
As it happens, Sala was a devout Catholic and I'm sure he and his family would have appreciated those prayers.
How do you know what he's done?
Absolutely nothing wrong with what he said either. I don't get people lamenting "thoughts and prayers" whenever it's said nowadays, it's basically become cool to shoehorn how silly you think god is into the discussion. We get it. Just let the people show their support ffs.
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This has nothing to do with Aguero being a City player. Stop playing the victim.
Yeah, what the hell was that about?
It's unfair for footballers to publicly put pressure on people to resume a search when resources and funds are limited. Players like Messi and Aguero have the financial power to help, but hey talk is cheap. As long as you say some nice words on twitter for everyone to 'like' that's the main thing.
I'm not sure if it's because he's a City player. People do this all the time with wealthy celebrities.
'Oh, you're speaking out against poverty? Why don't you donate half your salary then? Fecking virtue signaller!' etc etc.
Lineker got a lot of that kind of logic when he posted on twitter about the need to be humane towards refugees.
'You've got loads of money and a big house, why don't you move them in, you would if you REALLY cared'.
I know what you mean, but the reality is that it's 99.9999% that they didn't survive. It's extremely heartbreaking.It's no easy task but I think closure for the family is really important. Im also thinking how resilient humans can be...people survive...and yeah it's hope. But just doesn't feel right to just say ok we're done. Just so sad.
It would be good for the families if they found their bodies, but I believe it's a very expensive proposition. As I mentioned with JFK Jr, I believe the US military was involved with all their fancy technology. In this situation, I believe our rescue team would need a huge contribution to get the sort of equipment that might be needed. Unless the footballers want to come together and put some money towards it I dunno how else it would work.
Also, where they found JFK Jr was not half as volatile as the Channel is, so it would probably end up being even more expensive.
It's terrible for sure, especially when you think it could have been avoided.
I don't want to get slammed here but even if they had millions its still dangerous and difficult to continue the search. Im sure someone is going to take money if the family raises it but I think it might be more beneficial to maybe start a fund to make sure all private flights have similar checks as commercial or a charity for young pilots. I think the search was stopped more to do with difficult conditions and not wanting anyone else to get hurt than just money.
This is actually a very good suggestion. At least we could have something good come out from all this tragedy.
Why is Kun getting stick for showing support? I don't get it?
It's not like Sala isn't a millionaire himself and his relatives are hard pressed to fund a search and rescue mission themselves.
The chances are minimal if any. Still a miracle might be on the cards as there were survivals in tough conditions in the past but it's really unlikely to say at least...
It's not like Sala isn't a millionaire himself and his relatives are hard pressed to fund a search and rescue mission themselves.
The chances are minimal if any. Still a miracle might be on the cards as there were survivals in tough conditions in the past but it's really unlikely to say at least...
How long of a search period would say, 3m get?
I am sure few of players that are putting pressure on the police could muster that up pretty quickly by going without wages for a week
I am sure few of players that are putting pressure on the police could muster that up pretty quickly by going without wages for a week
The search is back on via private means through a €150k crowdfunding campaign.
I mean even if they survived the landing surely freezing conditions at sea for the best part of a week will kill you, sadly there’s no hope here.
Just want to state I'm not against a search, just really hope no one else gets hurt and the family don't get taken advantage of where the search team know they can't do anything and just take their money.
I still feel no matter what happens in the end some good needs to come of this and should start a fund to make sure all private flights have similar checks as commercial or a charity for young pilots. No idea how much that would cost but I think all football fans around the world would give a little and could end up with a massive amount.
I still feel no matter what happens in the end some good needs to come of this and should start a fund to make sure all private flights have similar checks as commercial or a charity for young pilots. No idea how much that would cost but I think all football fans around the world would give a little and could end up with a massive amount.
Add to the fact that the human body needs water to survive, even if they survived the crash, and somehow managed to get into the dingy, and by all miracles the cold doesn't get them, the lack of water intake for close to a week means survival is not possible. They're searching for bodies unfortunately, I hope they passed in the crash, I can't imagine the pain they'd have gone through if they survived it all only to die slowly through dehydration and all of the side effects that dehydration brings.
You can easily get a suitable vessel with a day rate at around £40k+fuel consumption.
Hardly the point, though.
They've called off the search for two reasons:
- They're dead, there's absolutely no hope of finding them alive
- They haven't been located inside the search area, which was quite big. They can obviously "draw a bigger circle" and search within it, but there's no guarantee they'll actually find them there. If the plane is intact then it'll be on the seabed somewhere, most likely with the passengers still inside, it's been almost a week so it won't be easy to identify the location given that it won't be leaking oil etc. In this case they'll need vessels with hydrographic equipment to run lines and profile the seabed in order to find the location of the plane, not cheap no matter how they decide to do it.
If it was high impact and the plane is in tiny bits they'll find wreckage pieces + hopefully bodies on a beach after a while, it's highly unlikely it'll be within the search area.
Basically, it's a horrible situation for everyone involved. There's no reason to give false hope, you have to be somewhat blunt and present the situation as it is.
Look at the recent avalanche in Norway where 4 people lost their lives. They had to give up rescue searches due to the weather and increased risk for more avalanches. After two days the held a press conference saying that there's no longer any chance of finding anyone alive as there's nothing scientific that gives any hope of surviving that long. It took them two weeks to bring out 3 of the 4 bodies, last one hasn't been found and with the current and foreseeable conditions they've called it off until spring....and that's with a body they know roughly where is.
Unfortunately, with bodies at sea there's always the risk that they'll never be found.
Unless they were already on the brink of dying through dehydration when the plane went down, there's 0 chance this is what killed them. They either died instantly or shortly after, either due to injuries sustained when the plane hit water or due to hypothermia (water temperature + wind)
It's just sonars. You have hull mounted ones and you have portable units that you mount on the side of the vessel. With the JFK Jr flight crash the difference was that this type of equipment wasn't as advanced. Today it's easily available, there's multiple rental companies located in England, France, Norway that can have this delivered within 3 days.
The problem isn't the equipment, but where to search. Look at the lines run by the seabed constructor looking for MH370, easily the most state of the art equipment in use by any vessel, look at the lines they ran when they were looking (and found) the submarine in South America (and that was much easier given that they had a much better search area to go by)
I know.
Unfortunately small aircrafts usually are completely destroyed when they hit the water and it’s hard to imagine surviving after a crash with a Piper. They aren’t designed for overseas trips but rather short hops.
Surviving a crash will be next to a miracle, let alone also getting through freezing conditions for more than an hour.
Any other Spanish members able to verify?
Yes, I know all that, in why the police stopped.
The point is, if the footballers that are urging the police to continue, should either stop and respect their decision, (as they are generating hate towards them) or fund a search themselves if they believed he was still alive.
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It's been mentioned quite a few times already. It's just the media presenting it in a certain matter to make it more dramatic.
I joked about the same prior to a BA Jetstream 31, and a similar sized aircraft in Angola, nothing new.
Oh I see. I don't know about technology period. However, yes where to search is the issue, especially in that volatile channel.
They will have perished instantly in the crash. The conditions in the channel that night were not suitable for a water landing even in full daylight, you cannot land a plane in such choppy waters and certainly not a single engine prop. Not a chance. And this was at night and there’s no light out there, it would have been piercing blackness all the way down. It’s a horrible way to go. They need to search the sea bed to locate the wreckage. I don’t know if sonar is sensitive enough to find a tiny plane, it could be a long search.
The difference is he's in the limelight doing it and has the money to really make it happen. Sure he could tell his management to start a whip round the PL as well, and open it up to the public to donate.
The point is talk is cheap, specially when you're essentially saying the rescuers haven't done enough and you're in such a strong position to do something about it. You or I or Samid tries it and it's unlikely to get past a few quid.
Looks like a bunch of players are putting their money where their mouth is after all.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8285494/emiliano-sala-search-lionel-messi-private-rescue-mission/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8285494/emiliano-sala-search-lionel-messi-private-rescue-mission/
Even if there was no plane crash, is there the slightest possibility that someone could survive in the English channel (in January) for 5 days?
In the water? They would be lucky to last even an hour.
If they somehow made it into the liferaft then i suppose it is possible, but extremely unlikely that nothing has been found in what is the world's busiest shipping channel.
The channel is littered with wrecks of both ships and aircraft. Many are war graves. Occasionally, a fisherman snags a wreck in his nets and whatever is down there is discovered, but the chances of locating the wreckage and bodies is slim. Add to that the force of the currents and any human remains could be swept far away from the crash site. It's a terrible thing for the families not having a body to bury.
Not in the channel in January. The waters are pretty frigid even in the summertime. During the Battle of Britain, shot down airmen, if they weren't rescued promptly, often died from exposure after a night in the water.
Also, wouldn't the type of life raft that would be on a private jet have some sort of beacon on it? Or have I watched too many films and that's not a thing?
"private jet"
Not sure what type of raft is on this type of aircrafts, but I'd assume that it doesn't have beacons fixed to the raft, don't think there's any rules for it ala the offshore industry and commercial flights.
25k euros from Rabiot
10k from Payet
6k from Family Kita (not sure who that would be)
5k from Lucas Ocampos, UFNP & Fifpro players union.
4k From Lukitaz Ocampos (has another on 1k)
2k Kondogbia, 2k Gundogan, Koscielny etc
There are a lot of people donating. Do hope at the very least they can find their bodies so their families gets some closure.