Emiliano Sala: Rest In Peace

Such a sad story and I hope this never happens again. His last message is even more heartbreaking.

I know it sounds stupid but then, what happens to the 15M GBP Cardiff payed to Nantes? Is that refunded somehow?
 
Gasolin said:
Such a sad story and I hope this never happens again. His last message is even more heartbreaking.

I know it sounds stupid but then, what happens to the 15M GBP Cardiff payed to Nantes? Is that refunded somehow?
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I'd imagine it is indeed an insurance job as mentioned.

Awful news for his family.
 
VintageWhatnots said:
I've never heard the reasons for the failed take off attempts, but whatever it was you have to wonder why they persisted.

That said, we don't know the two events are linked, and I don't know whether that's common or not for planes like this.
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I'm not going to speculate on the reason why it took 4 attempts to take off, however from my experience, unless you have indications of engine failure, or loss of control of your surfaces, or instrumentation failure, then typically you should be good to go. That is of course, taking the nature of your plane and weather conditions and your skill into account. Until further information comes out I tend to give pilots the benefit of the doubt and assume no blatant risks were taken.

SportingCP96 said:
What bothers me is reports said it took the plane 4 attempts to get off the ground why didn't they switch planes or just call off the flight for another day. Then the irony of his last post " the last goodbye" it almost seems like things like these are "planned" by the higher up its so sad.
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When your car doesn't start immediately, do you grab the other one in storage immediately, or do you cancel all your plans for the day? It's the same with planes, except that they are more expensive, so less people can afford spares, and for the most part, they are monitored and maintained very rigorously.
 
Absolutely awful news. :(

R.I.P. to both and my thoughts and prayers go out to the families
 
I'm not expert, but what's the harm in keeping searching at least through the weekend?

I've not been able to shake this to be honest. Wake up hoping for a miracle and gone to bed hoping I wake up to some positive news. Absolutely gut wrenching.
 
RIP, it’s really sad. That the families may never have a body for closure is just awful. I’m sure the rescuers did absolutely everything possible to find trace of the aircraft, but the odds were so badly stacked against them.
 
adexkola said:
I'm not going to speculate on the reason why it took 4 attempts to take off, however from my experience, unless you have indications of engine failure, or loss of control of your surfaces, or instrumentation failure, then typically you should be good to go. That is of course, taking the nature of your plane and weather conditions and your skill into account. Until further information comes out I tend to give pilots the benefit of the doubt and assume no blatant risks were taken.



When your car doesn't start immediately, do you grab the other one in storage immediately, or do you cancel all your plans for the day? It's the same with planes, except that they are more expensive, so less people can afford spares, and for the most part, they are monitored and maintained very rigorously.
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I'd tend to agree with this, the pilot isn't likely to want to put themselves at risk.
 
Inter Yer Nan said:
I'm not expert, but what's the harm in keeping searching at least through the weekend?
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Because it costs a lot of money and the rescuers could be utilised elsewhere rather than flying over the same waters where they know nothing’s there.

Edit: this post from pprune regarding their chance of survival is very sobering.

If they had to ditch they were stuffed.
Weather was solid force 6 from the SW at the Channel Light Vessel at the time, varying between 23&30knots if I remember correctly. Dull and overcast/cloudy in Guernsey during the afternoon. Later in the evening (10pm?) I noticed the weather deteriorate as a front came through (gusty, sleet/hail/rain). Sea state at the CLV was 2m waves every 6-7 seconds - a very heavy 'chop' as opposed to a swell. Would have been classed as 'rather rough or rough' I suspect. It's 'spring tides' with a decent run of current in the area.
When CIAS first started searching at 9pm they had over 10 miles visibility, although I don't know what the cloud base was. It got worse and they had to give up as the cloudbase dropped too low. This is from pilots who regularly fly below clifftop height (100mASL).
Even if they managed to 'land' nicely on the water they'd have been swamped within a minute and almost certainly sunk. Alderney Lifeboat have some footage from yesterday's search on their facebook page when the weather was nicer than disappearance night. Proper horrible. I've fished up round that way a fair bit in nice weather, on that night it would have been apocalyptic to be bobbing around in the sea. If by some freak of luck they managed to get out alive and get to the Casquets or other reefs off Alderney they'd have been smashed up in the breakers trying to get out the water. I'm amazed at the amount of effort put into the search, had it been a fishing boat with two crew that disappeared they'd have given up by lunchtime the day after.
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Adam-Utd said:
Imagine this was some elaborate insurance scam.

Pretend the plane is going down, switch off the sensors and land somewhere. Keep the player missing for a week or 2 until the insurance money is paid out, then suddenly makes a miraculous return.

Sounds like a hollywood film plot.
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What a dreadful post.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Imagine this was some elaborate insurance scam.

Pretend the plane is going down, switch off the sensors and land somewhere. Keep the player missing for a week or 2 until the insurance money is paid out, then suddenly makes a miraculous return.

Sounds like a hollywood film plot.
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You deserve to be banned. Have some respect. Been told the search is been called off must be the most heartbreaking news any family can get.
 
Know very little about aviation but you’d think these aircrafts would have something in them to make them easier to locate in the occurrence of something disastrous
 
fecking heartbreaking :(
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adexkola said:
Commercial jets do. With private planes it's more cost prohibitive, and may not be enforced by law.
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They can’t be that good considering they never found the Malaysian plane that went down.
 
Two tragedies is too many for the Premier League. I hope they can still be recovered so the families can have closure.
 
JamesB__ said:
They can’t be that good considering they never found the Malaysian plane that went down.
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They only work reliably to a certain depth I believe. And they are battery operated, so the sonar can only be so powerful, and the battery eventually dies. Time is pretty much against you from the moment the plane hits the water.

Nick7 said:
Even then it's not a guarantee they'll be found
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Yep unfortunately.
 
I don't get it... They were searching based on the idea that he could still be alive, but they stop searching because they didn't find him within the parameters they laid for themselves?
Change the parameters if you think he is alive, don't give up on him. :(
 
adexkola said:
I'm not going to speculate on the reason why it took 4 attempts to take off, however from my experience, unless you have indications of engine failure, or loss of control of your surfaces, or instrumentation failure, then typically you should be good to go. That is of course, taking the nature of your plane and weather conditions and your skill into account. Until further information comes out I tend to give pilots the benefit of the doubt and assume no blatant risks were taken.



When your car doesn't start immediately, do you grab the other one in storage immediately, or do you cancel all your plans for the day? It's the same with planes, except that they are more expensive, so less people can afford spares, and for the most part, they are monitored and maintained very rigorously.
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The difference in that example is in one I can stop the car and walk out. In the other I am thousands of feet in the air where if anything goes wrong I am royally fecked and there is nothing I can do about it. If I were him a 15M pound player I am not flying on a plane that could not take off.
 
Ødegaard said:
I don't get it... They were searching based on the idea that he could still be alive, but they stop searching because they didn't find him within the parameters they laid for themselves?
Change the parameters if you think he is alive, don't give up on him. :(
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Outside of those parameters the chances of survival are infinitesimally small.
 
It's so awful. Poor families. No closure whatsoever in the absence of their bodies being found.

RIP to both.
 
Ødegaard said:
I don't get it... They were searching based on the idea that he could still be alive, but they stop searching because they didn't find him within the parameters they laid for themselves?
Change the parameters if you think he is alive, don't give up on him. :(
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They don't think he's alive, it says as much in the statement.
 
FootyGirl88 said:
Cardiff will get their money back via insurance
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https://www.101greatgoals.com/news/cardiff-emiliano-sala-bluebirds-insurance-update/

Maybe not according to this, but what's to say this insurance company know the details.

https://m.sport24.co.za/Soccer/Engl...ns-posed-over-missing-salas-contract-20190123

This website says differently, so who knows. The first insurer might have meant the whole amount, I.e. maybe some portion could be insured.

Would same very strange not to have insurance on the largest deal in the clubs history.
 
klsv said:
fecking heartbreaking :(
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I’ve never felt this bad when it comes to a football player. This is heartwarming and heartbreaking at the same time. My thoughts and prayers go out to families and friends affected by this. That’s for sharing this.
 
SportingCP96 said:
The difference in that example is in one I can stop the car and walk out. In the other I am thousands of feet in the air where if anything goes wrong I am royally fecked and there is nothing I can do about it. If I were him a 15M pound player I am not flying on a plane that could not take off.
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A good proportion of car accidents are caused by mechanical failure, where in most cases, you don't have the option of just stopping the car and walking out before the damage happens. We do tend to overestimate our ability as car drivers... if we had to go through training similar to what pilots experience, there would be much less people on the road. I get the feeling of not being able to control the situation, but isn't it the same as being in a car driven by someone else?
 
FootyGirl88 said:
Cardiff will get their money back via insurance
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That’s not sure..
As he just signed there is a chance that insurance paperwork hasn’t been filed yet.
Assuming they did file it on time, there is also a big chance that insurance won’t cover a one engine flight over the channel, as this includes a big risk.
Cardiff said they didnt knew of his flight plans so there’s a reasonable chance they haven’t insured him for these flights..
 
adexkola said:
A good proportion of car accidents are caused by mechanical failure, where in most cases, you don't have the option of just stopping the car and walking out before the damage happens. We do tend to overestimate our ability as car drivers... if we had to go through training similar to what pilots experience, there would be much less people on the road. I get the feeling of not being able to control the situation, but isn't it the same as being in a car driven by someone else?
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To a point yes I agree but even though planes are safer then cars if you get in an accident in a car you can maybe survive your chances are higher. On a plan though? Your dead period that planes goes down your 95% going to die.
 
Red00012 said:
You deserve to be banned. Have some respect. Been told the search is been called off must be the most heartbreaking news any family can get.
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Calm down you soft sap.

The whole situation seems unbelievable, I’m just comparing it to a film plot. Yes it’s very sad but life goes on ffs
 
Adam-Utd said:
Imagine this was some elaborate insurance scam.

Pretend the plane is going down, switch off the sensors and land somewhere. Keep the player missing for a week or 2 until the insurance money is paid out, then suddenly makes a miraculous return.

Sounds like a hollywood film plot.
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Dearie f****** me!

Have some respect man.
 
Hammerfell said:
You're not helping yourself.
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I don’t feel like I need any help tbh. I didn’t say anything disrespectful at all.

Saying a situation is like a film plot? Oh no how awful. People these days :confused:
 
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