Emiliano Sala: Rest In Peace

carpy said:
The plane belonged to an agent who's based in Monaco (not Sala's agent but someone that apparently did work on the deal). Someone at Cardiff has said they offered to book Sala on to a commercial flight but he chose to make his own arrangements.

Edit: The agent who owns the plane is Willie McKay
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Feck. There’s a man with a shady past to say the least
 
The English channel isn't even a very remote stretch of water plus I'd assume its being monitored quite well by coast guard considering the migrant crisis, if they made it onto a life raft, I'd guess they should have been found and sent an sos signal from some ship or the other. I understand they have to account for every possibility but unfortunately I think survival is a pretty far fetched idea here.
 
I see that Gary Lineker has managed to get some people to get their knickers in a twist............ again
 
Linekar is absolutely obsessed with Twitter
Not surprised he's losing his mind over an innocent tweet
 
SuperiorXI said:
If it's about the Ronaldo tweet Linekar just comes across as an oppourtunist knob trying to create drama where there is none
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And people seem to fall for it and make it a point of discussion, which is what he wants when he trolls people on a regular basis on twitter.
 
Charlie Foley said:
If Messi posted it it would be far worse given there would be a much lower presumption of ignorance given the nationalities involved, in my opinion. But Messi didn’t post this. I don’t know why I’m engaging this hypothetical since it’s you making this a “Messi v Ronaldo” discussion.

I can’t read into Linekar’s head, you’re the expert at that, but perhaps he thought the photo should be taken down (it really, really should) and reacted quickly and emotionally to seeing it? Perhaps he thought if he did it would be taken down? Or maybe just “this will help Messi win the meme wars against Ronaldo.”

You have to assume Ronaldo or whoever on his PR team posted that photo didn’t know what had happened when they did so, just by basic human standards of decency. Then again, it’s still up 18 hours later, which is even worse than posting it-probably unaware- in the first place.
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See, I fail to see why it should be removed. I think Lineker was wrong to jump onto his high horse and try to establish a link between the tweets - that is the issue here in my opinion.

As for leaving it up, Ronaldo seems to regularly post a selfie from the planes he flies on - so at what point is it ok to start posting them again?
 
Cardiff City clarifies that Sala chose to fly on that plane and had turned down their offer to book a commercial flight. Apparently the plane is owned by one of the agent involved in the deal
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
The English channel isn't even a very remote stretch of water plus I'd assume its being monitored quite well by coast guard considering the migrant crisis, if they made it onto a life raft, I'd guess they should have been found and sent an sos signal from some ship or the other. I understand they have to account for every possibility but unfortunately I think survival is a pretty far fetched idea here.
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Yep.

If they're on a ship then this isn't 1920. They have the internet and all sorts now! if they're still on a life raft i'm sure they would have been spotted by now.

The plane broke up in the water in the pitch black at night. I very much doubt they managed to get a life raft ready in time after crashing.
 
If it's known they had a life raft and flares had been seen the first night, how bad must have the weather been for them to call the search off?

Also glad some of you weren't in the search parties for this guy:
 
Abizzz said:
If it's known they had a life raft and flares had been seen the first night, how bad must have the weather been for them to call the search off?

Also glad some of you weren't in the search parties for this guy:
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I’m not sure reports about them seeing flares were true. I think they would have continued the search and to be honest if you notice a flare in the water you should be able to point to its location.
 
His ex-girlfriend is now posting stuff that the football mafia is involved and that she doesn’t open her mouth yet because of the family. Tbc i guess.
 
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Sarni said:
I’m not sure reports about them seeing flares were true. I think they would have continued the search and to be honest if you notice a flare in the water you should be able to point to its location.
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True, I had only read of those in the first couple of hours of this unfolding, nothing since, was probably bad information.
 
Charlie Foley said:
If Messi posted it it would be far worse given there would be a much lower presumption of ignorance given the nationalities involved, in my opinion. But Messi didn’t post this. I don’t know why I’m engaging this hypothetical since it’s you making this a “Messi v Ronaldo” discussion.

I can’t read into Linekar’s head, you’re the expert at that, but perhaps he thought the photo should be taken down (it really, really should) and reacted quickly and emotionally to seeing it? Perhaps he thought if he did it would be taken down? Or maybe just “this will help Messi win the meme wars against Ronaldo.”

You have to assume Ronaldo or whoever on his PR team posted that photo didn’t know what had happened when they did so, just by basic human standards of decency. Then again, it’s still up 18 hours later, which is even worse than posting it-probably unaware- in the first place.
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Not sure why people feel the need to be angry over a tweet that has nothing whatsoever to do with Sala. Did people scout instagram, twitter and facebook to see if any professional footballers took selfies in a car the day Samuels died in a car crash ? Peoples need to constantly find new things to be offended over is somewhat impressive.
 
Abizzz said:
If it's known they had a life raft and flares had been seen the first night, how bad must have the weather been for them to call the search off?

Also glad some of you weren't in the search parties for this guy:
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Don't really understand the point of your example. No one is arguing that the search should be called off because "them people be dead". Given the type of accident, flight crash over open waters with sudden loss of radio communication and radar contact at a substantial altitude after requesting permission for an emergency landing, it's highly unlikely that they even survived the crash. Everyone is obviously hoping for a miracle, but at the same time i'd expect everyone to be well aware that it's a search for wreckage without survivors.
 
Really puts those searches in the middle of the ocean into perspective when we're struggling in the channel.
 
UncleBob said:
Don't really understand the point of your example. No one is arguing that the search should be called off because "them people be dead". Given the type of accident, flight crash over open waters with sudden loss of radio communication and radar contact at a substantial altitude after requesting permission for an emergency landing, it's highly unlikely that they even survived the crash. Everyone is obviously hoping for a miracle, but at the same time i'd expect everyone to be well aware that it's a search for wreckage without survivors.
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The point of the example is to show that there are cases where people exceed the expected survival time by huge amounts (3-4 times the expected survival time), the conditions this guy faced were even harsher than those currently in the Channel. Given it was a small plane with slow stalling speed and no sign of a structural failure I don't see why it's highly unlikely that they survived the initial crash?

I just don't understand peoples need to express their certainty about someones death when they have little more info than "it's a plane crash, people don't survive those". (Sorry that sounds a lot more condescending than I mean it to be, but I can't put it any better).
 
Every time I see those photos of him signing for Cardiff I just feel more and more desperately sorry for him, even beyond the obvious - I hardly noticed the signing as it happened, but he does genuinely seem so excited by the move, it’s just so heart-breaking :(
 
If the whatsapp audio beign reported on sky sports is real then that is haunting
 
Abizzz said:
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The point of the example is to show that there are cases where people exceed the expected survival time by huge amounts (3-4 times the expected survival time), the conditions this guy faced were even harsher than those currently in the Channel. Given it was a small plane with slow stalling speed and no sign of a structural failure I don't see why it's highly unlikely that they survived the initial crash?

I just don't understand peoples need to express their certainty about someones death when they have little more info than "it's a plane crash, people don't survive those". (Sorry that sounds a lot more condescending than I mean it to be, but I can't put it any better).
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So the last example you found was from the 60's ?

Not sure how you've concluded no sign of structural failure, not sure why you believe structural failure is needed for a fatal crash either. The conditions themselves is one thing, but you also have to factor in being exposed to water and the likelyhood of injuries from the impact itself, which will have an effect. Wet + freezing wind < Dry clothes + freezing wind

If they survived, they would've been found by now.
 
UncleBob said:
So the last example you found was from the 60's ?
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No, I had previously known of that example, that's why I chose it. I didn't go looking. I'm sure you could find plenty more recent ones.

UncleBob said:
Not sure how you've concluded no sign of structural failure, not sure why you believe structural failure is needed for a fatal crash either.
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1)Because they requested a landing in Guernsey. Structural failure usually doesn't leave time to do that.
2)Not needed but a lot more likely. Small planes can remain airborne at very slow speeds if it was engine failure... the third possibility being a complete loss of controls, which seems unlikely in a plane like this. Given that they were apparently aware enough of the problem to ask for an emergency landing I'd be surprised if it was pilot disorientation.

UncleBob said:
The conditions themselves is one thing, but you also have to factor in being exposed to water and the likelyhood of injuries from the impact itself, which will have an effect. Wet + freezing wind < Dry clothes + freezing wind

If they survived, they would've been found by now.
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Look, i'm not saying it's likely, just not impossible. I'll concede that chances drastically decrease by the hour though, and at this point are very dire :(.
 
I'm surprised at how many intelligent people here bit on the dramatic whatsapp audio thing. Its just Sala joking around with his friends. I am sure before every air disaster at least one passanger joked around about the plane falling. Let the guy rest in piece, dont transform his death into a soap opera. I'm fluent in spanish and the audio is nothing.
 
UncleBob said:
So the last example you found was from the 60's ?

Not sure how you've concluded no sign of structural failure, not sure why you believe structural failure is needed for a fatal crash either. The conditions themselves is one thing, but you also have to factor in being exposed to water and the likelyhood of injuries from the impact itself, which will have an effect. Wet + freezing wind < Dry clothes + freezing wind

If they survived, they would've been found by now.
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I'd almost put money on it being icing on the wings. They were flying right in cloud in the perfect weather for it, and requested to descend beneath the clouds rather than power up and go over them. If that happens then they pretty much stall and drop like a stone.
 
11101 said:
I'd almost put money on it being icing on the wings. They were flying right in cloud in the perfect weather for it, and requested to descend beneath the clouds rather than power up and go over them. If that happens then they pretty much stall and drop like a stone.
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If it is that predictable, how come the air traffic allowed him to take off? How can an experienced pilot not know of this? Seems off
 
the_irish123 said:
If it is that predictable, how come the air traffic allowed him to take off? How can an experienced pilot not know of this? Seems off
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He wasn't experienced in these type of conditions apparently....

I understand he was a para dropping pilot. Clearly by his own admission his instrument flying was “rusty”.

However the big question is how a £15 million football star found himself being flown by from Nantes to Cardiff by a gas engineer and part time pilot in a single piston engined aircraft at night.
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My uncle was a highly-experienced driver. He spent forty years driving a taxi in London without one mishap. Driving outside London on dual carriageways and motorways, he was a menace until his keys were taken away.

Parachuting pilots are very, very good pilots....at dropping parachutists over a regular drop zone on a regular basis.
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https://www.pprune.org/accidents-cl...rcraft-disappeared-near-channel-island-9.html (page 9)

The aviation experts on there giving a bit more info for us layman to understand what has probably happened here...
 


This is seriously freaky....how often have you even heard a question like this in an interview.

Probably last time it'll ever be asked!
 
the_irish123 said:
If it is that predictable, how come the air traffic allowed him to take off? How can an experienced pilot not know of this? Seems off
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It's not really anything to do with them.

I think the problem is he wasn't that experienced. He was a part time pilot with a single engine certificate, a million miles away from a commercial airline pilot. He may never have encountered icing before.
 
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RedDevil@84 said:
Cardiff City clarifies that Sala chose to fly on that plane and had turned down their offer to book a commercial flight. Apparently the plane is owned by one of the agent involved in the deal
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Now eachone will deny any responsability for the flight

But like for Srivaddhanaprabha, the aircraft looks a wreck
 
Abizzz said:
No, I had previously known of that example, that's why I chose it. I didn't go looking. I'm sure you could find plenty more recent ones.
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Have a look and see what you find.

Abizzz said:
1)Because they requested a landing in Guernsey. Structural failure usually doesn't leave time to do that.
2)Not needed but a lot more likely. Small planes can remain airborne at very slow speeds if it was engine failure... the third possibility being a complete loss of controls, which seems unlikely in a plane like this. Given that they were apparently aware enough of the problem to ask for an emergency landing I'd be surprised if it was pilot disorientation.
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Pilot might have requested an emergency landing due to issue where he didn't understand the severity of the situation. Lack of mayday and sudden loss of radio communication + lost from radar indicates this happened suddenly

Depends a lot on the conditions

As i've said from the first moment, i have no idea why he was onboard a plane like this at a time like this.
 
UncleBob said:
Have a look and see what you find.
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https://www.popularmechanics.com/adventure/g2770/lost-at-sea/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/adrift/sea-survival-stories/
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-39783347
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guðlaugur_Friðþórsson
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...es-27-hours-sea-life-jacket-falling-boat.html
Next time do a quick google search before requesting it!? People get lost at sea all the time, and some survive.

UncleBob said:
Pilot might have requested an emergency landing due to issue where he didn't understand the severity of the situation. Lack of mayday and sudden loss of radio communication + lost from radar indicates this happened suddenly

Depends a lot on the conditions

As i've said from the first moment, i have no idea why he was onboard a plane like this at a time like this.
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Because he wanted to get to Cardiff and trusted that the pilot knows what he's doing. Possibly he even thought he's taking a chance? What 28 year old doesn't take a chance that is out of his comfort zone? I certainly did. It's another question whether the pilot should have known, but opinions seem split on the forum @FootballHQ posted, some saying it's a reckless thing to do, others saying they've done similar loads of times...
 
Abizzz said:
Because he wanted to get to Cardiff and trusted that the pilot knows what he's doing. Possibly he even thought he's taking a chance? What 28 year old doesn't take a chance that is out of his comfort zone? I certainly did. It's another question whether the pilot should have known, but opinions seem split on the forum @FootballHQ posted, some saying it's a reckless thing to do, others saying they've done similar loads of times...
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I'll admit a certain morbid curiosity has led me to the pprune forum numerous times. They really know their stuff in general, but can argue as much as on here at times. That's easily the most one sided and unanimous thread I've seen on there, and is sadly quite damning.
 
R77 said:
I'll admit a certain morbid curiosity has led me to the pprune forum numerous times. They really know their stuff in general, but can argue as much as on here at times. That's easily the most one sided and unanimous thread I've seen on there, and is sadly quite damning.
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Aye, there are quite a lot finding strong words for it. Split opinions was maybe the wrong way to phrase it, but there are a couple in there saying they don't find it that unusual to go across the channel in a single engine plane.
 
FootballHQ said:
He wasn't experienced in these type of conditions apparently....


https://www.pprune.org/accidents-cl...rcraft-disappeared-near-channel-island-9.html (page 9)

The aviation experts on there giving a bit more info for us layman to understand what has probably happened here...
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Just spent a good 45 minutes reading that thread, it’s very interesting. It looks very much like this was completely avoidable and the player had no idea of the tremendous risk he was taking by boarding that flight. Neither the plane nor the pilot were of the standard required to be undertaking such a journey. What an absolutely tragic waste of life.
 
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