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17 million euro's tops. robinho went to madrid for 23-24 from santos when he was 21. this lad (mind you i want to see him at united) is no where near he level robinho was when he left so all this talk of 20 million quid is bollocks.

Great post.
 
The transfer muppet I keep in a drawer and play with occasionally in the summer is getting very twitchy at the moment..Despite all my rationale I can't help but getting all school boy about Brazillian teenage prodigies

Lets face it we all like to see young British lads break through, but if there's no one good enough the next best thing is a Brazilian. If there's 2 things lads love it's football & a Brazillian.

I haven't seen nearly enough of this lad, but from what I have he's incredibly one footed..ludicrously so, so I'm a bit sceptical of the transfer fee. 20 mil seems way too much, at least Anderson had proved himself in Europe first..but we'll see
 
We'll take the difference of both figures, divide by 2 and then pay that amount.

So

21 - 6.7 = 14.3m

14.3 / 2 = 7.15m

Everyone happy with that? I'll text SAF right away.

Shouldnt you add the two figures then divide by 2? They shouldnt have let you skip two grades just because you were too good at building sandcastles.. :nono:
 
The transfer muppet I keep in a drawer and play with occasionally in the summer is getting very twitchy at the moment..Despite all my rationale I can't help but getting all school boy about Brazillian teenage prodigies

Lets face it we all like to see young British lads break through, but if there's no one good enough the next best thing is a Brazilian. If there's 2 things lads love it's football & a Brazillian.

I haven't seen nearly enough of this lad, but from what I have he's incredibly one footed..ludicrously so, so I'm a bit sceptical of the transfer fee. 20 mil seems way too much, at least Anderson had proved himself in Europe first..but we'll see

Anderson had hardly played a game in Europe - he got injured almost right away.
 
Manchester United could be priced out of a move for Gremio's 18-year-old midfielder Douglas Costa, who has been called the new Cristiano Ronaldo, with his agent saying there is a £13.5m get-out clause in his contract and he will be worth double his current price by the end of the Brazilian season (Daily Telegraph, 1115 GMT).

£13.5m isn't bad if SAF thinks he might be the real deal
 
thought it was 21 million?

Either way if you believe in the player, taking all into account you pay the money. I don't think we'd be that short sighted and I don't think we can afford to be
 
They're messing with the quotes now those journalists.

“There have been informal conversations and I believe United would match those values,” Cesar Bottega, Douglas’s agent, said yesterday. “At the end of the Brasileirão [the South American league championship that ends in December], Douglas will be worth at least twice that.”

Times

“I don’t believe they can reach those values,” he told Zero Hora. “At the end of the Brazilian championship, Douglas will be worth at least twice what he’s worth now.”

Setanta

Spot the difference.
 
They're messing with the quotes now those journalists.

“There have been informal conversations and I believe United would match those values,” Cesar Bottega, Douglas’s agent, said yesterday. “At the end of the Brasileirão [the South American league championship that ends in December], Douglas will be worth at least twice that.”

Times

“I don’t believe they can reach those values,” he told Zero Hora. “At the end of the Brazilian championship, Douglas will be worth at least twice what he’s worth now.”

Setanta

Spot the difference.

Exactly I knew right away that something was fishy... It's almost impossible to believe anything you read now-a-days..

You make a good point, although you have also inadvertently made Gremio's argument for them. They knew that Anderson would likely be sold within, at most, three or four years. That cannot be said of a player that they sell to United, so any deal involving a "percentage of next sale clause" may never result in an increased fee, overall. Gremio probably feel that they need to make the maximum amount from United in any potential deal.

I agree.. All of that makes complete sense.. However I don't think SAF will go anywhere near his buyout clause (allegedly 21M GBP) I think 15M is as far high as we would go.. If indeed we are truly interested..
 
We will never know.. But I would trust the Skysports one which says we may not be able to afford him..

I see. I think it's wrong though to state we are not able to afford him - of course we are. It's just we don't _want_ to pay that kind of money for an unknown 18yo.
 
The fact we have a few young brazilain kids already should hopefully make the move more likely, and i'm sure any ammount paid will have clauses attached regards 1st senior national team call up, appearance and games played etc.
 
I never thought I'd get to feel the excitement of regularly having multiple Brazillians in front of my eyes On the pitch for United
 
What's the difference between Costa and Ljajic though, really? I mean, surely there isn't much difference between the two of them, and then you add attacking midfielder Anderson, then chuck in Petrucci and it seems we will have too many talented kids of the same age group in one role.
 
What's the difference between Costa and Ljajic though, really? I mean, surely there isn't much difference between the two of them.

Ljajic can use two feet to some degree. From what I have seen of Costa he only has a left foot.

Very Phil Babb like :nervous:
 
What's the difference between Costa and Ljajic though, really? I mean, surely there isn't much difference between the two of them, and then you add attacking midfielder Anderson, then chuck in Petrucci and it seems we will have too many talented kids of the same age group in one role.

The difference is similar to that of Ronaldinho and Kaka. I'm using those two to highlight my point, although Ljajic is known as "Little Kaka", and there have been comparisons between Costa and Ronaldinho. I'm always very skeptical about those kind of comparisons, though, so I don't want to take it too seriously, but it does at least provide a real world example.

Football fans often fail to differentiate between players that occupy a similar area of the field, believing that you can simply exchange one player for another and that it makes no difference, but the truth is that no two players are the same, and even though they may have certain attributes that are similar, it often manifests itself in an entirely different way of playing — both for the player, and the team that they are playing for.

I've always felt that a players running style is important. To use the example of Kaka and Ronaldinho, again, while Kaka almost glides across the pitch, which makes him deceptively quick, as well as giving him the ability to travel long distances with the ball, Ronaldinho — at least in his prime — was far more explosive, damaging the opposition in short bursts, in-and-around the penalty area. Of course, what a player can do with a ball at his feet is also of the uppermost importance, and as we are learning to our cost in the UK, it is the players that are allowed to develop naturally — and thereby maintain a distinctive style — that tend to go on to become great players.
 
The difference is similar to that of Ronaldinho and Kaka. I'm using those two to highlight my point, although Ljajic is known as "Little Kaka", and there have been comparisons between Costa and Ronaldinho. I'm always very skeptical about those kind of comparisons, though, so I don't want to take it too seriously, but it does at least provide a real world example.

Football fans often fail to differentiate between players that occupy a similar area of the field, believing that you can simply exchange one player for another and that it makes no difference, but the truth is that no two players are the same, and even though they may have certain attributes that are similar, it often manifests itself in an entirely different way of playing — both for the player, and the team that they are playing for.

I've always felt that a players running style is important. To use the example of Kaka and Ronaldinho, again, while Kaka almost glides across the pitch, which makes him deceptively quick, as well as giving him the ability to travel long distances with the ball, Ronaldinho — at least in his prime — was far more explosive, damaging the opposition in short bursts, in-and-around the penalty area. Of course, what a player can do with a ball at his feet is also of the uppermost importance, and as we are learning to our cost in the UK, it is the players that are allowed to develop naturally — and thereby maintain a distinctive style — that tend to go on to become great players.

Agree, there is too much emphasis, or has been, in this country on the pass and move, team ethic approach to coaching kids. Whilst there are obvious benefits in those teachings we tend to lose, or kill that natural ability and desire to express ourselves on the pitch. There are few real flair players in the England team and it's sad to accept that Joe Cole is perhaps the only real example of a flair player in the England set up. I thought our Wayne had all those raw characteristics when he first emerged but that seem s to have been lost in the search for constant possession.
 
It's not Sky Sports though, it's Setanta, who are well known shit-peddlers.

I am not saying Sky sports came out with the story as the Brazilian papers name is clearly mentioned.. I mean the people that have published it.. Setanta have published both stories.. Where as sky have only published the one where it says we cannot afford him.. Here is the link: http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11667_5396265,00.html

What's the difference between Costa and Ljajic though, really? I mean, surely there isn't much difference between the two of them, and then you add attacking midfielder Anderson, then chuck in Petrucci and it seems we will have too many talented kids of the same age group in one role.

There is no difference between Costa and Ljajic positionally.. It would seem that they prefer to play on the wings and can play centrally.. So IMO Costa and Ljajic are Wingers and we kind of have a shortage of those..

Presently we have: Park, Nani & Tosic. With Ljajic coming in January.

We can do with one or 2 more winger and IMO we are sure to get Valencia in.. Park is 28 and is not getting any younger also Nani and Tosic have still to prove they are good enough to be regulars.. Adding a few players in the mix sounds like something we really need to do.. Plus Costa looks like a very exciting prospect and we should tie him down to a pre-contract ASAP.

Whereas Anderson & Petrucci are more central players and can play on the wings (Well not really too well but if asked to then can put in a shift on the wings)
 
What's the difference between Costa and Ljajic though, really? I mean, surely there isn't much difference between the two of them, and then you add attacking midfielder Anderson, then chuck in Petrucci and it seems we will have too many talented kids of the same age group in one role.
Not really. These are players who will most likely end up far from the roles that look most natural to them at the moment. Look at Scholes as an example. He was initially a Bergkamp type forward but became one of our midfield mainstay in the end.
 
What's the difference between Costa and Ljajic though, really? I mean, surely there isn't much difference between the two of them, and then you add attacking midfielder Anderson, then chuck in Petrucci and it seems we will have too many talented kids of the same age group in one role.

One on each wing would probably be the bees knees in 2 years time. Two players with the potential to be "The next Ronaldo" etc.

Could eventually mean some good came out of selling him. Although obviously in the immediate future we'll be lucky if they manage to produce 1/4 of what he did per season.

Petrucci is very much a central player and thats Anderson's role right now as well.
 
Is Douglas Costa a first team regular in Gremio?

Gremio Porto Alegre play against Cruzerio Belo Horizonte tomorrow night in Copa Libertadores semi-final.

I'm asking because I'd like to sleep this night rather than see Costa for only 10 or 15 minutes...
 
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I would like to write here something about this promising youngster, so it's good that tomorrow's game is shown in Poland.

YouTube sucks.
 
Is Douglas Costa a first team regular in Gremio?

Gremio Porto Alegre play against Cruzerio Belo Horizonte tomorrow night in Copa Libertadores semi-final.

I'm asking because I'd like to sleep this night rather than see Costa for only 10 or 15 minutes...

He's not a "regular" no, he's had about 7 games and he's been in and out of the side with injury. So no, wouldnt expect to see him for more than a cameo.
 
What's the difference between Costa and Ljajic though, really? I mean, surely there isn't much difference between the two of them, and then you add attacking midfielder Anderson, then chuck in Petrucci and it seems we will have too many talented kids of the same age group in one role.

Not all of them are guaranteed to be fulfil their potential, though. It's almost as if we're hedging out bets. Although, I could be talking bollocks. How much did Petrucci cost?
 
Not all of them are guaranteed to be fulfil their potential, though. It's almost as if we're hedging out bets. Although, I could be talking bollocks. How much did Petrucci cost?

From what I've read, Roma only received £200k in compensation
 
I didn't mean what was the difference between their playing styles, I meant in their positions. It doesn't make it easier to accomodater them in the team just because thry go about doing the same job in a different way.
 
From what I've read, Roma only received £200k in compensation
Wikipedia says:

United paid Roma approximately £200,000 in compensation for the transfer, which the Italians were unable to contest as Petrucci was not under contract with them. Italian football regulations state that under-17s may not be signed to professional contracts, meaning that Petrucci would not have been able to sign with Roma until his 17th birthday in October 2008.

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Wikipedia says:

United paid Roma approximately £200,000 in compensation for the transfer, which the Italians were unable to contest as Petrucci was not under contract with them. Italian football regulations state that under-17s may not be signed to professional contracts, meaning that Petrucci would not have been able to sign with Roma until his 17th birthday in October 2008.

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Maćku, whenever I read your posts lately there always seems to be a picture attached to it :D
 
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