lets just he is not a player we have let slip away
Douglas Costa
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dont worry guys , we will buy milner for odd 20 m
Thanks for sharing that..
Some of the moves in that video were outstanding.. As I had reported much earlier I love the way he plays and the fact that he is so unselfish shows he has well a more mature head than we would expect from a 19 year old who has barely played any 1st team football..
I really think Gremio fecked up big time with this transfer.. If only they had allowed Manchester United to take him on trail.. Had they allowed it they would had a bigger amount of money in their pockets (I know they have put in a huge sell on fee but that is hardly going to be as much as they would have received had he joined united directly and been a success) I seriously didn't understand why they were unwilling to let him leave on trail? When it was pretty evident that scouts had not seen enough of him to judge whether he would be worth the amount of money being asked for..
Nice videos. He can pass, he can dribble, he can shoot... Seems to have an amazing level of awareness to how his team-mates are placed in the field. Seems much better than what those early Gremio videos indicated.
Really? He looked fantastic in that 10 min video..
Yes, I reviewed it now and you're right about it. I guess the point should be that a video of him playing in Europe helps confirm his quality.
I probably dismissed it a bit a the time just due to the fact that the Brazilian league has very different characteristics than football in Europe, and the high price that was asked for him at the time made it a gamble in my eyes. Rarely a player, no matter how skillful, comes from Brazil at those 20ish prices. Anderson didn't show less than this guy and came to Europe for 5 million euros, not much difference in the end. I guess Shaktar will end up doing a very similar deal as Porto did, profiting a good sum in a short time for intermediating and taking the risks of a very young and promising player transfer.
These Brazilian teams are usually in financial difficulties and 5-10 million is a lot of money for them. They tried to sell him expensive, didn't glue immediately, and were forced to sell him in kind of an haste.
So what's happening to this guy? He seems to have had a very good season for Shakhtar, can he be prized away at a valuable deal?
If Fergie didn't think he was value at a few million he'll certainly not think it's value now he's more expensive.
Really believe SAF missed a trick with this player.
They wouldn't let him come over for a trial so we could check him out, they just wanted to rinse us for 25 million.
And that's why the sold him to Shakhtar fo £4.5m?
No he did not. Dude is all hype really. Obertan is years ahead of him in decision making.
How many times have you seen him play, Drift?
I'm sure all of you have watched every Shakhtar Donetsk stream on myp2p to fully evaluate him to the point of mocking Fergie for not buying him.
Yep he missed a trick with this one.
How many times have you seen him play, Drift?
With a nice part in the contract that when he's sold on they get a hefty percentage. Shakhtar did that with both their Brazilian signings. Why they got them so cheap. Think of them (shakhtar) as a shop window.
Anyone watch him tonight? One of the quickest players out there surely. His burst of pace is seriously impressive.
The rest of his game needs to kick on but if it does (as you'd expect from natural progression) he'll be some prospect.
Shaktar are 44 games unbeaten at home....impressive
The rest of his game needs to kick on but if it does (as you'd expect from natural progression) he'll be some prospect.
Shaktar are 44 games unbeaten at home....impressive
He set up Shaktars first 2 goals and then scored the 3rd in an impressive 0 - 3 away win in the Champions league against Braga tonight! Looks like he is fulfilling his potential there and might end up a big club in the not too distant future!
I was only flicking through and caught his assists and goal and a bit of general play. Looks a lot more mature now than when he was at Gremio frustrating their fans. The move to Shakatar has been great for him.
I wish United would have signed him 
United were hit with excessive big club tax claims which naturally they refused to pay.
Probably more times than SAF had seen Bebe play before he spent a fortune on him.
Definitely more times. Seeing as SAF signed Bebe on the basis of his scouting reports alone. Similar scouting reports to the one he have used to assess Costa, no doubt.
That's not the point though. Spoony was asking a specific poster, a specific question. Feck knows what Bebe has to do with any of this.
He has the talent no doubt, but whether he fullfills it remains to be seen.
Watched him in the U/20 world cup last year (i think it was last year). He didn't even make the starting line up. Looked lively when he came on for Brazil but was pretty frustrating to watch - clearly lacked experience, making all the wrong choices.
But thats to be expected from a young player. I just think Gremio wanted way too much (weren't they asking for 20M + ??) for him then. So we rightly held out.
I haven't seen him play since and wasn't even aware that he had gone to Shaktar.
Watched him in the U/20 world cup last year (i think it was last year). He didn't even make the starting line up. Looked lively when he came on for Brazil but was pretty frustrating to watch - clearly lacked experience, making all the wrong choices.
But thats to be expected from a young player. I just think Gremio wanted way too much (weren't they asking for 20M + ??) for him then. So we rightly held out.
I haven't seen him play since and wasn't even aware that he had gone to Shaktar.
We signed Bebe after scouting reports from someone the manager trusts. CQ. On the other hand, we wanted to trial Douglas Costa on the reports of our Brazillian scouts who discovered the twins. This should tell you where Costa was in his development before he went to Shakatar and why we werent willing to part with lots of cash to sign him. Now its starting to come together properly for him, playing every week for them and he's gathering experience in all kinds of competitions, perhaps we will go back in for him eventually. Will he cost more money than Gremio wanted? Quite possible. But his time at Shakatar could be the difference between being a flop and being a top player bought for big money. So it was sensible not to act rash.
Based on tribalfootball reports?
If he was valued at 20m, how he moved on for 4.5m? That price tag quoted is bollocks.
He's certainly not a finished article and remains just another prospect. We will see his and Bebe's development and then make a comparison.
That aside he was excellent yesterday.
Definitely based on media speculation, yeah. (not sure why you bringing up "tribalfootball" because I've never even read/been on that site.
How often, in your memory has it not happened that when United come asking, the price is automatically doubled/tripled? So yeah, according to reports at the time, Gremio wanted 20M +. I never swore on the validity of the price or anything, I simply gave an opinion.
But if you think it was bollocks, here's a article to read. His agent was quoted as saying Gremio wanted 20M quid.
Douglas Costa agent doubts Manchester United will meet asking price « Pitaco do gringo's Brazilian football site
Rumours say that Gremio included a clause that gives them a big percentage of the fee if (when) Shakhtar sell him to another club. That makes it a pretty safe deal for Gremio, because if he turns out to be as good as they think he can, Shakhtar is never going to be his final destination in Europe. Therefore he will end up moving to a big club for more money and Gremio will get more money, whereas if he moved to United first chances are that's the only transfer sum they'll receive for him.
Let's assume they sold him to Shakhtar for £4.5m, knowing that he'll not end his career there, they'll have made £4.5m so far. By including a 40% selling on fee (this may or may not be close to the truth, but let's assume it is) they will ensure another good payday once he moves to a big club, which may be his last club. So if Shakhtar sell him on for £20m Shakhtar will receive £8m for him, making their total profit £12.5m - which is roughly the sum they would've expected to sell him to United or another big club for, where the selling on fee wouldn't have been guaranteed.
That's how I think they reasoned when they sold him "cheaply" to Shakhtar, because they knew they'll get the money they wanted in the end if he turned out good.
Gremio supporting friend says that Gremio have done this a bunch of times, not just for Costa but some other players they've sold in the past. Its common practice for them to net more money. Gremio were pushing us hard for a big fee way beyond what they'll get from add ons in the future.
We can only sit back and watch him shine.If only.
Giggsy's replacement anyone ?
I didn't exactly follow the full story, but at one point his release clause was 20m, then it waas 12, then 10. It's unrealistic to assume anyone would have paid 20m for him, I think the quotated figures were because of the release clause.
From the link I see - "are believed to want 20m", not that the agent said it. Sure they were bigging him up, so they could cash a decent lump of money, but 20m for merely a prospect(not even a full time regular at Gremio) is too much.
It's pretty unrealistic figure the one newspapers were quoting. Also the supposed informal talks may not even have happened.
40% are pretty big figure. Even if it is that much, there's absolutely no guarantee that he'd do well at Shakhtar. He would be at a lower profile league and he has to be the absolute star of it to be sold for more than 10 m.(Even if he is sold for 15m, Gremio would get 10m tops).
If anyone came with an offer close to 10m mark, I don't think Gremio would have even negotiated a clause.
20m was blown way out of proportion.
I cant find him on Fifa 11 anyone else had this problem??
Reminds me quite a bit of Robben from that video.
Right they wanted us to buy him for around 20-21 million. We are a world giant so you can't really blame them for trying. We were only willing to bid £8 million with add ons, (appearance bonuses etc). We wanted him here for a trial so we could check him out. We were told no, which as he was carrying an injury now makes sense. The deal fell through. Shaktar went to Brazil and did 2 deals. Now as hard as it for some to believe, it's not unusual and makes sense. Donetsk have done this a fair few times and they now have a contingent of Brazilians there already and regularly make it into the Europa league. It's makes them a perfect stepping stone club, and if they players don't do so great that Europes finest come hammering the door down with big money, Shaktar have a player perfect for their level at a good price.
You won't, there's no Shakhtar in the game.
Feck your Gremio supporting friend, he was obviously wrong. This guy obviously has all the tools, his attitude was a concern, but you talk as if going to Shaktar is the only place who could have fixed that. Maybe to cover the condescending way in which you dismissed him after hearing from your Gremio mate, which obviously made your opinion LAW.
We have a manager and the set up who has the experience to deal with erratic young talent, he would have come good here as well.
EDIT: Just saw that video, feck me, some amazing passing and goals on show there... showing amazing vision in a few moments as well
Milan or Inter it is then. Or Barca and Madrid, but they're stacked atm.
Looking forward to seeing him in the two upcoming CL games against Arsenal.
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