He's spent around the same amount of time on the pitch this season as that bloke who chased Ronaldo after the final whistle a few games back.
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Do people think he'll get any minutes between now and January, when he may leave?
The only way I see him getting on the pitch is if we beat Atalanta and Villarreal and we can rest players against Young Boys.
The only way I see him getting on the pitch is if we beat Atalanta and Villarreal and we can rest players against Young Boys.
If I was him I'd push for a loan in January and then see what happens to Solskjaer at the end of the season. He'll be unlucky if any manager we replace Solskjaer with ends up using him as little.
If Ole is still here in December Donny needs to push for a transfer. There are plenty of top clubs which value a midfielder who can the pass the ball.
Depends on who's gonna outlast who - Ole or Donny.
Any chance he'll get a look in with this new formation? I'd definitely like to see him as one of the midfield 3, but at this point I've pretty much lost all hope of him ever getting a run in the team.
Yesterday was the ideal game for him to play. McFred on yellows and us two up. It's criminal that he never gets a chance. Give him a couple of games and see if he performs or not.
Even Jose played Martial in a few games.
Even Jose played Martial in a few games.
Ole has his favourites and if you aren’t in that group you’re screwed.
That's fine and may well be true - but then why wasn't he sold or loaned out last summer? There was definitely interest according to his then-agent. Instead, his move was blocked by United and he got some kind of promise of opportunities (whatever was actually said). That doesn't sound like a player that United have decided isn't good enough.
The issue is that there are two possible scenarios here. Either United thinks he's simply too weak; and then you have to wonder why he hasn't been sold to make space in the squad for someone more useful. Or he's not too considered too weak; and then you have to wonder why he doesn't get game time, if only to develop some match rhythm and connections to other players.
The current situation is somewhere in between, which makes no sense - especially given the recent poor performances of other players that can occupy the DM role. (Regardless of what we all think, since Van de Beek has been playing in that role, it's apparently something that Ole thinks he can do.)
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I have one question for Ole - what the feck did you buy him for?
But it was Matic who came on for Bruno, no?
It’s hardly offended - it’s more bemused that a player we paid a lot to get and who Ole refused to let go still can’t get any minutes. Which other players have been treated the same way? Bailly and Sancho perhaps, and I think they’ve bern similarity mistreated.
Oh, and there are few terms more tiring than agenda. Why would anyone have an agenda for a player, unless there is some kind of personal connection.
just proves how Ole and the club is doing dirty to quite a few players. Lingard could now be starting every week in the Premier League for West Ham and also helping them to try to win the Europa League being there best player loving life. Instead he's turned into a jobber in wrestling terms sitting on the bench every-week getting the odd 10-15 minutes here and there if he's lucky.
obviously Lingard was sold false promises just like Donny was. And probably Eric Bailly (to sign a new contract) and Sancho too.
it ruins careers. That's the sad thing. For what? Incase we have an injury crisis and might need them so stockpile them? Crazy! That's what the youth squad should be for.. not ambitious international established footballers it's cruel.
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How the feck do we get to 84 pages when he has played five minutes of Premier League football this season!
Unbelievable
Unbelievable
How the feck do we get to 84 pages when he has played five minutes of Premier League football this season!
Unbelievable
because people see him playing for Ajax in Champions League semi-finals and when he was a Dutch international (before we ruined his career) and wonder why he's not getting a chance? It's not like our other midfielders have been amazing this season why not give Donny a chance?
I can see Donny going to Everton or West Ham in January and becoming a superstar. Shame as I would've loved to see him get a run of games.
Ajax was reluctant to let him go too if I remember correctly and they told us to look after him.. and we have ruined the lads career.
Barcelona wanted him from Ajax too but we got him to not use him.
just one of the saddest transfers I've seen.
Fred won the ball back more than almost any other midfielder in the league last season. Ndidi, Kante and Allan are the only ones I found that beat him there (and the latter two only beat him by a small amount).
Fred has been in average form since January and often downright poor form since the last month of last season, but over-the-top criticism (or often criticism talking outright shit) just makes it difficult to take some posters seriously as they are so blatantly biased.
To weaken Ajax, who could be one of our opponents in CL if we somehow play against them, or something.
If you still think it was Ole that bought him at this stage then my word......
Never been more confident of anything ever that he was a club signing. No manager treats a player they supposedly wanted this way otherwise.
The club is to blame yet again. We are still signing players the manager hasn't asked for. Happened under the previous two managers too.
No chance. Ole demonstrated vs Tottenham he will not play van de Beek no matter what. Even if he wanted more threat up front he could've picked Sancho or Greenwood. Picking Lingard was a power move to show Donny he's finished here.
It might be an exaggeration, but at this point I would put my money on van de Beek not playing until the manager changes.
I am aware of his history but this is a performance thread and I am just amazed that it can get to 84 pages with him playing five minutes of football
That's presumptions BS to be honest.
Ole is a manager under whoms watch we've seen planning for 4231 slowly being ripped up for various other formations in big games, from 343, diamond and 352. After two years of planning for Sancho he has no idea how to integrate him and is now testing systems which throw him into the bin.
He trains for 433 and is yet to play it, he signs off on youth and barely plays them, he overspent on both defenders and have them looking worse than they did when they joined. He is a manger with zero granularity in his approach to systems and improving players outside of words like passion, desire and mentality.
So under his watch is perfectly plausible that he signed Donny and realized that he has no fecking idea where to put him. He himself has said hes an admirer of Donny for a long time. Never underestimate the incompetence this manager is capable of.
He's played 5 mins of PL football and people still think he was an Ole signing just because they want to blame him for everything. Incredible.
Definitely not a player he wanted. I have never seen a manager treat their 'big money transfer' of the summer like this before.
All the rumours were Sancho and Grealish last summer and out of nowhere, and without the press even knowing about it, Donny was signed.
All points to what I'm saying but if you hate Ole you can never agree clearly.
It's actually perfectly plausible that Ole is not good enough AND Donny was a club signing.
It's an Ole signing because he played a role in getting him. It was said by Donny that he had a conversation with Ole before signing him.
Ole has given numerous statements and commitments which he never sticks to. The man is a compulsive liar and never sticks to his word.
Perfect idea to send him to barca on loan. Get minutes on big stage next to de jong again. If he performs obviously take him back, if not, cut losses
Yeah. Definitely not a player Ole wanted.
In an interview with Dutch outlet De Telegraaf, van de Beek gave some insight into the topics discussed during his one-on-one with Solskjaer that sealed the transfer.
“I had a great conversation with him last week. It was about private matters, but was mainly football-related,” the Dutchman explained.
That really doesn't mean much. Could've been: "You get VDB or you're not getting anyone. So talk to him if you want an extra midfielder at all".
Surely it wasn't The Tea Lady who signed him? If it was then Ole is much more incompetent than I thought he already is.
I'd be hard pressed to see him play again until January or stay here beyond that. He wants to go to the wold cup and he isn't doing that warming a bench if Van Gaal is in charge of Netherlands.
Isn't this what we have been asking for all this time? A DOF or the club deciding what kind of players to buy? Not The Manager to make all the decisions?
You can't absolve him of the signing because he's now not playing him. He was signed under his watch, Solksjaer spoke to him before joining to convince him to sign. Ole refused to allow him to go out on loan.
Ole needs to take some responsibility.
kinda yes, but it only works if the DoF and the manager have matching philosophies. Because if they don't, you get good signings that are being wasted by the manager, so end up being bad signings
DvB and Sancho should cut their losses if Ole isn't away by xmas and ask for moves away
A 100M play does not just "ask" to leave after half a season.
Don't be ridicolous
Don't be ridicolous
What do you mean it doesn't mean much? In VDBs own words Ole convinced him to come. I don't think it's could be any clearer. If Ole was given that ultimatum as you suggested then the blame still lies with him for bringing him in in the first place. Managers buy players that sometimes don't work out. Shit happens but this rumour that Ole had nothing to do with bringing him in has to be put to bed.
Game time is not a good evidence to determine if a player was not a manager's signing, and after all, since Ole's appointment as permanent manager, he had a say on whoever is signed, I will say that VdB maybe wasn't Ole's first choice, but probably what happened was that the recruitment team managed to convince Ole to go with VdB, but it is still Ole's call, and Ole sanctioned it, and it's reliably reported that Ole has veto on signing players.
Btw, it's not a big deal that one of Ole's signing flopped or isn't being used properly, either way, plenty of the players Ole signed are good/great, such as Bruno, Maguire, AWB, Varane, Ronaldo, Cavani (granted that Maguire and AWB were too expensive), Telles is a decent cover and Sancho is young and hopefully will come good, so overall Ole did relatively well in terms of players recruitment.
It doesn't mean much if Ole was told, you're getting VDB or you aren't getting anyone. So Ole "chose" VDB over no player at all. So it makes sense that he had a talk with VDB, because something is better than nothing.
Not saying that it happened that way, but it's more likely than Ole buying a player to not use him properly.
why would he not move him on in the Summer?
Not really surprising. Look at what is happening to Sancho as well. Once Ole loses belief in players, he never even gives them any sort of a chance to get back into form. Happened to Sergio Romero, DVDB, Sancho and Martial now as well.
But how does this matter if he was Ole signing or club signing? Maybe he was not preferred by Ole, but surely our midfield is a mess and we need to find a solution at least for the next 2 months (possibly 7). I would expect any manager to make the best use of his resources, which I think we're not doing properly right now. Do you think this treatment of van de Beek is justified because "he's not Ole signing", especially in this dramatic situation we have?
To be honest at this point I think Ole won't play van de Beek because if he turns out to be better than either of Fred, Matic, McTominay and Pogba (and IMO chances for that are not slim), it will make him look foolish because he was wrong for the whole time.
I don't think this situation is similar to Sancho at all. Ole is fighting for his life right now, he's going to pick attacking players that deliver. In van de Beek case, there were plenty occasions to give him a run. Ole didn't even try to make use of van de Beek after his few sluggish performances in AM position, despite much better performances in midfield.
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