Amazing how one player not coming off the bench gets pages of debate. I just do not get the obsession a lot of posters have with Donny, he's shown nothing to warrant that level of attention.
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so trueThink, he somehow symbolizes what many people want to see in the double pivot. Quick passing, pass and move and a more "elaborate" football. I can relate to that but playing in the middle of the pitch is way more than that. If DVB is supposed to be backup for Bruno or Pogba, he is setup for failure in my eyes because both have completely different skillsets to him. I'd like us to try Donny in a false 9 role or some sort in smaller games, this might suit him well - if we try to make him change his game, I tend to say, just let him go.
I’m not all that surprised he didn’t start. Leeds are a high energy team that would normally run at you all day and just make your life a nuisance so we were always going to try and match that with the high energy of Fred and McT who are basically Duracell batteries. Bring on Matic to replace the height loss of McT if they start bombarding you with crosses in to the box.
I’d imagine/hope there will be plenty of opportunities for VDB still to come especially if Pogba is going to be staying on the left for a while.
I’d imagine/hope there will be plenty of opportunities for VDB still to come especially if Pogba is going to be staying on the left for a while.
I suppose when you pay that amount of money for a player that doesn't seem to fit into our team selections or Doesn't get used as a sub there are a few questions that need answering. Like why did we buy him ? Is there a long term plan ?
Tbf it’s mostly Dutch/Ajax fans who are angry and went into overdrive about Matic coming on to see out a 5-1 lead instead of him
I actually think he'll get a lot more starts when Varane is starting. I don't think Solskjaer necessarily trusts the Maguire Lindelof partnership. Once Varane is there, I think it will be one of two of McTominey or Fred, and with Pogba on the left with Rashford injured, I can see him playing a lot more games in midfield in front of Fred/McT.
All those #gainz were a waste of time.
Depends on his future career though
I borrowed Essien’s calculator and the fachts are:
Last season in the first game he gets some minutes and scored a goal and then we all know what happend, yesterday he did not get a sniff of the grass so he is not gonna play any minute this season.
Close thread.
Sell him
Sign Goggs
Sign O’Shea to partner him in the middle.
All happy
Last season in the first game he gets some minutes and scored a goal and then we all know what happend, yesterday he did not get a sniff of the grass so he is not gonna play any minute this season.
Close thread.
Sell him
Sign Goggs
Sign O’Shea to partner him in the middle.
All happy
He has yet to show any of that to the standard we were supposedly buying. He's a play it safe player by the look of it. He's so far shown to be medicore and barely deserving of the bench. So the obsession is completely unwarranted.
When I think of him, I think of the fact there is only 3 subs in the PL
The frustration for some of us, is that we want DVB to have a run of games ideally 10-12 wothout being dropped and subbed after 60mins. Theres a very good player in him. He like every other player who joins a new team needs a run of games to establish himself and give him the confidence to express himself.
Hopefully he will get it.
Hopefully he will get it.
He’ll play alongside Mctominay against Southampton. Leeds isn’t the game for him - it’s like pinball at times the way they play. We’ll want control of possession against the Saints and I think it’ll suit him.
He’s still the same pointless player. Why would anything change? We’re stuck with the Dutch Tom Cleverly because we overspent on him.
Yeah I could see his ball retention really working well against the Southampton press
I agree. Other players, who weren't necessarily playing well initially, were given a run of games to establish themselves and play themselves into form.
That's because a 5-1 lead is not the time to bring in aging players, but go for players with potential who can benefit from gametime they normallly wouldn't get. But that might be different if you think buying players instead of developing youth players(bringing in young players to develop them) is normal.
If DvB doesnt get the expected gsme time he needs i would expect him to request a transfer in january window. If that happens the blame is soley with Ole not using all the tools at his disposal.
There's no way he deserves that. You don't give one of your lowest performing players a free hand at starting 10 games. He needs to go to the likes of Brighton if he wants it that easy
And on VDB for being rubbish
Alright, pal. Just give it a year. He’ll be in the midtable of Germany or back in Holland for you to make sure he’s getting all the development the 24 years young midfielder needs.I get why he wasn't used against Leeds, he'll probably get some minutes against Southampton unless Varane, Sancho and Cavani all start on the bench.
He's never going to replace Pogba or Bruno. So its either out wide or the CM for him, I think he's to slow for that but we'll see.
He's never going to replace Pogba or Bruno. So its either out wide or the CM for him, I think he's to slow for that but we'll see.
I mostly agree with your statement, he has to use the chances he will get to convince everybody it is worth it to give time to him instead of somebody else.
I wouldn't agree with the "play it safe player" though. He is from Ajax academy, isn't he? He is drilled since the beginning to evaluate all passing options he has and to use the one with the biggest probability of keeping possession. He isn't a creator with a great range like Pogba can be or Bruno, I dont think, he will learn to execute crossfield passes or long through balls, he is a pass-and-move, give-and-go player, best suited for playing a fast passing game with one-touch-play. Focussed on keeping possession and moving the ball faster than the opponent is able to move his defense.
He can't do that on his own and if we have a look at how we played last year it was the exact opposite of posession-based and moving the whole team as a unit. Put Donny next to Mata, Shaw, Pogba and Martial and we may have a pretty potent tool how to unlock organized defenses.
It isn't just that Donny isn't good enough potentially, it is that we play some sort of football he isn't used to. And to be honest, currently my position is, if he cannot show his value this year, then please let him go somewhere where he is more suited to. It is almost ironic that we ended up with Donny and City with Grealish. I think, player style wise the opposite would have fitted way better (even ignoring that Grealish showed even more quality than the year before).
Agreed.
By the time we ordered Leeds to sit down, when we were up 4-1, we should have brought on Donny and not Matic.
I think he needs us to have a bit of an injury crisis in midfield to get this type of game time, like Fred did a couple of years ago. It will be up to him then to perform and stake a claim.
Just don't think Ole knows how to use him or hopefully, that we are waiting for a new CDM that enables us to play the 433 with alternatives like the 433 false 9 or the 41212 diamond.
I remember VDB's united debut- came off the bench and scored a goal, the same way he did at Ajax - by his movements being quicker and more intelligent than the opponents.
Turning him in to a more robust but less precise version of Xavi is not going to get the best out of him so I hope it's nothing more that breeding his versatility.
I remember VDB's united debut- came off the bench and scored a goal, the same way he did at Ajax - by his movements being quicker and more intelligent than the opponents.
Turning him in to a more robust but less precise version of Xavi is not going to get the best out of him so I hope it's nothing more that breeding his versatility.
I doubt Ole will start him in the first games against PL sides
I've noticed Ole is obsessed with having at least one tall player in the midfield duo. He's never partnered up Donny with Fred and always opts to play him with either McTominay or Matic.
That's why when he took McTominay off, he replaced him with Matic. It sounds silly, but that's what it looks like
That's why when he took McTominay off, he replaced him with Matic. It sounds silly, but that's what it looks like
You don't find it at all odd that a fair amount of money was spent on him yet he rarely gets minutes and, even in a game that was already put to bed, still didn't see the pitch?
It's only one game, but if his game time is similar this season to the last, you must surely ask why he was bought here in the first place.
Not sure why are so many people here obsessed with him not playing, it was the same with Mkhtaryan or Kagawa and they came with higher reputation from a better league. They didn't make it because of their lack of physicality and mentality foremost and clearly because they looked better in a system their team played. People even after two average preseason performances and pictures of him hitting the gym think he's already better or on the same level as Fred or McTominay, pathetic. Quite obviously he's being treated here with a new player bump advantage. We will see how long it may last. People thought Darmian is a great fullback for almost two seasons here, eh..
And saying all that is not underratingVDB's ability, but he showed very little to deserve such comments I see here from time to time. If he's good enough he would have already featured or will feature. We should trust Ole on this..
And saying all that is not underratingVDB's ability, but he showed very little to deserve such comments I see here from time to time. If he's good enough he would have already featured or will feature. We should trust Ole on this..
What tools are those exactly?
Players
i echo this sentiment. Incredible how many poster would be ready to sacrifice the balance of the team to let him play.
other than his transfer fee I'd agree
Donny is quite simply an elite footballer. The likes of which similar situation saw Chelsea off-load De-Brune for pennies...I'm sure nobody batted an eyelid at the time and look at him now.
One of the games greats.
Donny is intelligent enough to adjust like Matic did from the no.10. If Ole was patient enough to give him a run of 4-5 games to regain his confidence he might end up being better than any other midfielder we could buy.
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