Donny is Bailly 2.0
Talked about and made out much better than he actually is. Same was done about Bailly
Talked about and made out much better than he actually is. Same was done about Bailly
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Agree with this completely. I thought we bought Varane so we didnt have to do this anymore
All the discussions in here. At this point it's laughable that he doesn't get more chances. I'm actually start to turn on Ole because of it 
It’s not that I have much confidence in him that I want him to start, it’s how little I have in Fred and McTominay. Worth a punt as we are going nowhere with the current pivot.
This may be the case but Fred is playing so poorly this season it's ridiculous Donny doesn't get picked.
Whenever Donny plays he does well. Not suggesting he is a world beater (although he doesn't play nearly enough to know how good he can be) but he should get a chance when Fred and McTominay are so average.
It's matic who should play instead imo. Get Matic in shape and he's better than both
The man can barely finish 90 minutes of football every two weeks. Easily the best we have in this position, if he was 5 years younger.
No freaking way. The guy is finished and has shown that time and time again. Coming on for five minutes at the end of a game doesn't rectify all the other matches where he didn't make a good pass that eventually led to a goal.
Fred is so poor though and has been underwhelming for the past 12 months there’s no way Donny can be worse.
Look Donny might not be good enough but he’s not been given a proper shot. One game every 5 weeks usually in a caraboe cup/squad rotation game is ridiculous the whole transfer and situation is a mystery. Ole gave more minutes to the likes of Pereira who just like Fred is fecking useless.
I genuinely think the Donny situation has really not helped Ole at all.
Either he doesn't know how to use him, or bought a dud. Either way.
By not giving him the minutes, but consistently sticking with Fred, Pereira, Lingard, Martial etc, and not backing up a good game on Wed, by picking on form today, he is making people wonder. I refuse to believe Donny would be any worse than Fred was today.
I know more than a few Ole In folk who are finding the Donny situation so mystifying that it is making them doubt Ole.
Either he doesn't know how to use him, or bought a dud. Either way.
By not giving him the minutes, but consistently sticking with Fred, Pereira, Lingard, Martial etc, and not backing up a good game on Wed, by picking on form today, he is making people wonder. I refuse to believe Donny would be any worse than Fred was today.
I know more than a few Ole In folk who are finding the Donny situation so mystifying that it is making them doubt Ole.
Yeah what happened to that? As far as I can see, we have a much better squad and team but are playing exactly the same as before. How is that possible with the better players we have at our disposal?
Yeah that was even worse tbh. Pereira has never been good other than pre season and he was gonna be sold. Yet he got given more chances than Donny. I really don’t get Ole. The only thing I can think is he actually doesn’t understand midfield. Because it’s a lot more nuanced than just run fast with the ball and pass to someone in a good position, shoot! Fred was way better than McTominay today though. But that’s not the point, against the “lesser teams” we don’t need two holding midfielders. So take one out and play Donny. Simple.
2 holding mids infront of Varane at home to a midtable team, ole is really crossing a line with fans now
It can't get any worse than Donny really. No harm to start him more. Hopefully it's a wake up call to start integrating more class into the midfield
Problem with this is, no matter how many great forwards and defenders you may have, it's the midfield which controls the game for you. Always will be the case.
That is where the truly good managers differentiate themselves from the average ones like Ole. He has no idea how to deploy a team who will maintain possession and has just one idea of football - quick vertical transitions.
That is a good thing but to be wholly dependent on that every time shows his lack of nuance in setting up his team. VDB may not be the answer but if Ole knew how to integrate some possession based players in the team and drive our game around that, then we would be doing much better. We are just awful with the ball under pressure and also against a low block. The only time we do well is when teams play expansive football and leave us with loads of space.
It’s time to start Donny as a 6 imo. We need someone with better ball retention and someone who can dictate the tempo when we’re up against it.
2 holding DMs is hardly “the United way” is it. Surely the addition of Varane will help with getting caught on the break with his pace.
We struggle to see games out when protecting a lead and decide to throw on another defender which adds more pressure rather than controlling the game.
2 holding DMs is hardly “the United way” is it. Surely the addition of Varane will help with getting caught on the break with his pace.
We struggle to see games out when protecting a lead and decide to throw on another defender which adds more pressure rather than controlling the game.
I rate Donny and would like to see him get regular starts, but if the next two weeks go by and Donny only gets garbage minutes again he and his agent need to ramp up their exit strategy for January.
Even if Pogba leaves next summer, this presumably opening up a role for Donny, the manner in which he has been treated by Ole has been disgraceful. Edwin Van Der Sar asked Ole to look after Donny and that has most definitely not happened.
Even if Pogba leaves next summer, this presumably opening up a role for Donny, the manner in which he has been treated by Ole has been disgraceful. Edwin Van Der Sar asked Ole to look after Donny and that has most definitely not happened.
May get a chance against Villarreal but fully expecting him to be warming the bench when Ole's boys Scotty & Freddy are given the usual preferential treatment for the league games despite their previous showing against Villa
Nobody is saying that. The consensus here is that he should either be given more chances or sold - not left to rot with 5 minute cameos here and there.
Kid needs to hand his transfer request and just go. I won't even blame him. At this point it's a joke that he doesn't get picked despite the absolute mares Fred and McTominay are having every game. Especially given how well he played in that West Ham game. The Young Boys game in the little minutes he had he performed decently (but again was taken off instead of Pogba who was losing the ball every time he touched it and unsurprisingly after - we lost the entire control over the midfield area). And the sad reality is - he is doing this despite having zero run of games. He might not be Paul Scholes, but he is certainly better than Fred and it is really weird how Ole never seems to pick him unless he is the last possible option.
I fear unless Ole goes Sancho will follow a similar scenario. But at least Sancho has good competition. Donny literally has no competition and still doesn't get picked.
I fear unless Ole goes Sancho will follow a similar scenario. But at least Sancho has good competition. Donny literally has no competition and still doesn't get picked.
DVB + one of McFred should work fine but if its (and any other combo) to work, we need to stop pushing our fullbacks so high if what we are going to do is to cross it in for Ronaldo and then inevitably lose the ball. Leaves us exposed to the counter. We need more retention and movement across the front three.
Matic should only be a sub. He can't play more than 30 mins without looking like he's 60.
For the Villa game, I think he might have come on if it wasn't for the forced subs of Shaw & Maguire.
But I think he should start now, McFred was supposed to help us win but it ain't working so Donny should be given s serious chance now.
But I think he should start now, McFred was supposed to help us win but it ain't working so Donny should be given s serious chance now.
It would be Lingard and Sancho. Those two are Ole‘s plan B as game changers and if there is still no goal in 80th min he would bring Cavani on as his 3rd. That’s what I think.
Has to start ahead of Fred today, the guy can play some nice neat football, what the team needs at the moment to support our towards.
Who should he play next to, if not Fred?
VDB and Jones instead of McFred
Does anyone have the data relating to the numbers of times he's started and the number of games we've lost?
It feels like we lose more often when he starts but the correlation could also be that he's fielded with squad players thus making it more likely for us to lose.
It feels like we lose more often when he starts but the correlation could also be that he's fielded with squad players thus making it more likely for us to lose.
Villareal is tomorrow.
We lost Basaksehir away. Won against them at home.
We lost the 2nd leg of AS Roma 2-3 but that tie was over after the 6-2 smashing.
Loss against Leicester was with the B team.
We won Southampton away and Wolves at home with him starting.
That's about it I think.
We've lost against WHU in the league cup and Young Boys with him starting too. We can say that against WHU we played a b team and were let down by poor finishing while against Young Boys the red card and Lingard gaffe screwed us.
I'm not sure whether there is actually a pattern emerging because when he makes sub appearances they are usually only for 10 minutes or so. Moreover, we haven't seen him start that many games with a full strength team.
Very poor comparison. Bailly has had enough starts and runs in the team to see what kind of player he is, on his day immense but that day is too infrequent given so many injury issues. He's raw, physical and sadly probably will never stay fit long enough to be a starter anywhere unless someone can work out how to keep him fit.
VdB is always there on the bench but he's never had a run of games (as in genuinely never) and he'll get the odd 90mins now in games like the loss to WHUM where he and the bench/fringe payers just get chucked on and we hope they form some good partnerships over the game. None of us have any idea how good or bad VdB would be for us if he, for example, got 5 PL games in a row to stake a claim but we can near guarantee he'd be better in possession and more press resistant than both starters. I don't think we'll ever see it unless Ole is moved on and another manager comes in because it's just so evident he doesn't want that type of play in his midfield (or he does want him but he doesn't know how to fit him in). VdB will leave in the summer, he's on record saying Ole has promised him more game time and if that turns out to be a lie (which so far it will be) I think his agent will start making things difficult for us.
Yeah thats why stats can be misleading.
We lost to Young Boys but we were up 1:0 when Donny was taken out.
What baffles me is that he didnt get any chances under Ole and even more so that Ole views him as an AM, think Donny is a pure central midfielder as it gets. He knows how to get on the end of things but through and through he is a CM and a better quality one than McFred.
The whole situation is just baffling. Cant imagine other top managers not preferring him to McFred. VDB was never given a chance to develop into a proper player at United and its a shame and I just cant explain it and figure out why.
Transfer request in Jan? It's clear he won't get many chances here under Ole
Ole under current pressure was never going to play him ahead of Pogba.
He'll slide into oblivion soon, after a very good performance because Ole will not have the balls to experiment in games that are coming.
He'll slide into oblivion soon, after a very good performance because Ole will not have the balls to experiment in games that are coming.
He's off in January.
Utd need to win, it is no time for pity games for an unproven player.
Unproven? 200+ senior caps, 19 international caps and played in an EL final and CL semi final. Not really unproven, more like underused/misused.
I think we can now safely say he's never going to play again.
Wonder what led up to that. Was he stripped and ready to come on?
Why? He was irritated because he didn't feature and we were losing. He is just frustrated. Nothing in it
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