[Cassidy]

Sooooooo…..

 

[Dec9003]

If he can’t get into that midfield, he should be sold. McTominay wasn’t fit and he still couldn’t get a start. I thought he did really well in the friendly vs Everton, I don’t get what Ole’s issue with him is.

 

[mu4c_20le]

Despite looking well in one preseason game, he's still Davy Klaassen.

 

[Van Piorsing]

Perhaps get a manager and coaches who can manage him, simple as that. He was sinking Chelsea and Juve in Champions League not that long ago.

 

[dinostar77]

Lad needs to leave for a manager who will appreciate his ability. Nonsense that he isnt beig used when we are chasing a game.

 

[Mr.Ridiculous__]

He should honestly leave for his own career's sake.

 

[SAFMUTD]

If he can't play ahead of freaking Matic, I don't know what his chances are here. Better sell him and try to get some of the money back.

 

[GlasgowCeltic]

Think he'd link up well with Sancho, both combination players.

 

[We need an rvn]

If he can’t get into that midfield, he should be sold. McTominay wasn’t fit and he still couldn’t get a start. I thought he did really well in the friendly vs Everton, I don’t get what Ole’s issue with him is.

Mind boggling...

It goes back to that argument why the feck did Ole buy him. I don't buy the argument he was never Ole's choice as owners are not that stupid. This was Ole's purchase.

You don't buy a player dominating in CL semi finals etc, paying £40m for him without a thought in your mind that he's not a starting playing in your midfield and in your discussions how you want to use him.

When you see Matic playing in the midfield before you then know you're not going to get minutes as he's not going to replace Fernandez, if that's the position he's best at, and if Pogba is leaving then this lad needs game time.

I'm honestly at a loss on this one

 

[::sonny::]

It’s a really sad story, ole plays with 14 players and use only the same 14, whatever it happens

 

[Dec9003]

Mind boggling...

It goes back to that argument why the feck did Ole buy him. I don't buy the argument he was never Ole's choice as owners are not that stupid. This was Ole's purchase.

You don't buy a player dominating in CL semi finals etc, paying £40m for him without a thought in your mind that he's not a starting playing in your midfield and in your discussions how you want to use him.

When you see Matic playing in the midfield before you then know you're not going to get minutes as he's not going to replace Fernandez, if that's the position he's best at, and if Pogba is leaving then this lad needs game time.

I'm honestly at a loss on this one

He’s been woefully mismanaged. If he’s not going to get a go he needs to leave for his own sake.

 

[VanDeBank]

I'm sure we have someone in the reserves that can sit on the bench as an unused sub. I doubt VDB is stupid enough to believe Ole has "a plan" for him, and I expect him to be gone by the end of the window. What a waste of 35m.

This is why this whole "director of football" and someone else buying the players thing always seems a bit wacky.
As if the manager isn't totally in sync with them, this happens, you have a 35/40m player totally redundant.

What are you on about? It's should be well known by now that Ole has a veto on signings. Ole approving 35m for a midfielder he doesn't use at all is mind boggling.

Ajax plays with 3 midfielders, not with 2 and a attacking midfielder. VDB might've been the most attacking midfielder, he wasn't a real attacking midfielder like Fernandes.

Donny played as a 10 before De Jong left. He's a different kind of 10 than Bruno is, but he still occupied the same position. VDB needing to be accommodated speaks to how limited of a player he is. That doesn't excuse the silliness of the signing though.

 

[Isotope]

Did anyone really think he could cut it as a CM in the PL? I'll not pretend to have followed his career at Ajax in detail but even there, was he upto much in a proper middle 2? Genuinely curious because the little that I saw of him was a typical Ajax attacking mid. Great at quick pass and move systems and needs a team that plays that way to do well. We're miles from it, we need the individual quality that he simply hasn't shown and to make it worse, he's at his best where Bruno operates.

I don't think there will be too many games where he will play CM, not with the crazy attacking options we have now anyway. Pogba will partner Fred/McT when we go with a proper front 4 and VDB is a bit fecked given Bruno always plays.

It'll just become a transfer that'll get worse with time and neither Ole nor the scouting team can wash their hands off it completely.

Of course most signing under a manager, the manager has a hand of it. Just like if VDB turns into Maradona, Ole takes the share blame if it doesn’t work also.

VDB might be a CM, SS or other positions. My point was he’s a midfielder. And we did need to improve our midfielder at that time.

 

[Sandikan]

I'm sure we have someone in the reserves that can sit on the bench as an unused sub. I doubt VDB is stupid enough to believe Ole has "a plan" for him, and I expect him to be gone by the end of the window. What a waste of 35m.



What are you on about? It's should be well known by now that Ole has a veto on signings. Ole approving 35m for a midfielder he doesn't use at all is mind boggling.



Donny played as a 10 before De Jong left. He's a different kind of 10 than Bruno is, but he still occupied the same position. VDB needing to be accommodated speaks to how limited of a player he is. That doesn't excuse the silliness of the signing though.

I think pretty much any manager will take "a" player, over "no" player.
That was clearly the thinking, bring a "decent" player in, with Pogba's future unknown. Boost the squad etc.

Unfortunately, he simply doesn't suit our style, Pogba didn't leave and it looks utterly bizarre.

 

[CloneMC16]

If he can't get a game today, he never will. I'm not sure why he was bought. I refuse to believe that Ole wanted him. He literally never uses him.

Based on the small amount he's played, I'm not surprised that he doesn't start. He hasn't impressed me for us.

 

[atkar83]

If he can’t get into that midfield, he should be sold. McTominay wasn’t fit and he still couldn’t get a start. I thought he did really well in the friendly vs Everton, I don’t get what Ole’s issue with him is.

It's probably a trust thing but what has Matic done under his reign that he plays so much more? The solid Matic played under Mourinho and has been poor since. What has Lingard done to earn this sub?

 

[bosnian_red]

Don't get the clamor for him to come on. What's he done in a United shirt that shows he's a good idea when chasing a goal? He's been a player who hides from the ball and gets a painfully small amount of touches, and to be useful this season he basically has to recreate himself into something entirely different to what he was last season. We wanted more goal threat so moved Lingard in and brought Pogba into midfield, what else would people want? Van de Beek himself has no real role in the squad. Our main midfield will be either Pogba next to McTominay or Fred, or it'll be mctominay and Fred with Pogba in the attack. Van de Beek doesn't offer the energy that Fred or McTominay do, is worse defensively, and has been less of a passer than Fred. So what's the point in him.

 

[::sonny::]

- He never plays
- Sometime get some mins
- People accuse him for not being in form

 

[Dec9003]

Don't get the clamor for him to come on. What's he done in a United shirt that shows he's a good idea when chasing a goal? He's been a player who hides from the ball and gets a painfully small amount of touches, and to be useful this season he basically has to recreate himself into something entirely different to what he was last season. We wanted more goal threat so moved Lingard in and brought Pogba into midfield, what else would people want?

Then he should be sold whilst he still has value, and we should sign someone we intend to actually play.

 

[Vidyoyo]

Don't get the clamor for him to come on. What's he done in a United shirt that shows he's a good idea when chasing a goal? He's been a player who hides from the ball and gets a painfully small amount of touches, and to be useful this season he basically has to recreate himself into something entirely different to what he was last season. We wanted more goal threat so moved Lingard in and brought Pogba into midfield, what else would people want?

People just like to whinge.

 

[sp_107]

He put in so much effort in the summer and came back to be treated like this. If we dont need him then better sell him.

He deserves minutes than Matic/Fred

 

[bucky]

Don't get the clamor for him to come on. What's he done in a United shirt that shows he's a good idea when chasing a goal? He's been a player who hides from the ball and gets a painfully small amount of touches, and to be useful this season he basically has to recreate himself into something entirely different to what he was last season. We wanted more goal threat so moved Lingard in and brought Pogba into midfield, what else would people want?

Not this version of Matic quite clearly.

 

[::sonny::]

Matic, Fred don’t offer nothing even defensively

No reasons to not use him

It’s something like mobbing

 

[harms]

No, he's not. If it was the physical side he'd still be ahead of Lingard and Mata.

He got carried by De Jong at Ajax and people couldn't see it. He's rubbish.

Especially in his last season at Ajax when he was brilliant.

 

[VanDeBank]

I think pretty much any manager will take "a" player, over "no" player.
That was clearly the thinking, bring a "decent" player in, with Pogba's future unknown. Boost the squad etc.

Unfortunately, he simply doesn't suit our style, Pogba didn't leave and it looks utterly bizarre.

There were plenty of no10s available that are more similar in style to Bruno for less than 35m.

What's wrong with saying Ole was a bit of an idiot in taking a runner type no10 like VDB and expecting him to be successful as Bruno's backup without accommodating him in the slightest? I know he's our manager but he's not infallible.

What's more utterly bizarre is that we're not looking to sell/loan him. It's clear Ole wont use him.

 

[Sandikan]

There were plenty of no10s available that are more similar in style to Bruno for less than 35m.

What's wrong with saying Ole was a bit of an idiot in taking a runner type no10 like VDB and expecting him to be successful as Bruno's backup without accommodating him in the slightest? I know he's our manager but he's not infallible.

What's more utterly bizarre is that we're not looking to sell/loan him. It's clear Ole wont use him.

We can't even ship Lingard to West Ham when he did excellently for them.
No chance we can sell Van D any time soon.

You must be gutted with your username!

 

[Adam-Utd]

Clearly I do because, as predicted, he's been awful. This is nothing new. He just doesn't have De Jong carrying the entire midfield for him here.

he looked good against everton, now he’s not had a minute. what else can he do? no wonder he can’t build any momentum or confidence

 

[El Zoido]

VDB will play, but he’s going to have to work his way in to the team. He’ll play in cup games, and if he’s good enough then he’ll make the league squad. Anyone expecting Ole to put him in the team when we need a result is off their rocker. He’s never proven he can change a game for us.

 

[Terranova]

Don't get the clamor for him to come on. What's he done in a United shirt that shows he's a good idea when chasing a goal? He's been a player who hides from the ball and gets a painfully small amount of touches, and to be useful this season he basically has to recreate himself into something entirely different to what he was last season. We wanted more goal threat so moved Lingard in and brought Pogba into midfield, what else would people want? Van de Beek himself has no real role in the squad. Our main midfield will be either Pogba next to McTominay or Fred, or it'll be mctominay and Fred with Pogba in the attack. Van de Beek doesn't offer the energy that Fred or McTominay do, is worse defensively, and has been less of a passer than Fred. So what's the point in him.

People think he hides from the ball highlights the problem. If he makes the same movements in an Ajax squad, he'd be praised for making good runs. It's all about being able or willing to try those passes. If that means he's not suited for United, fine, but he shouldn't have been bought then

 

[Devil may care]

Absolutely dominating the bench like the tough kids sitting at the back of the school bus smoking, he's further back than any deep lying playmaker I've ever seen, must be those crafty Ajax teachings!

 

[11101]

I don't get it. He hasn't been brilliant in the chances he's been given but he doesn't literally cost us games the way Matic does now. Plus, he is visibly bigger and stronger post summer, which is the thing he needed to work on. When is he going to get a chance to play if not today?

 

[jesperjaap]

Mind boggling...

It goes back to that argument why the feck did Ole buy him. I don't buy the argument he was never Ole's choice as owners are not that stupid. This was Ole's purchase.

You don't buy a player dominating in CL semi finals etc, paying £40m for him without a thought in your mind that he's not a starting playing in your midfield and in your discussions how you want to use him.

When you see Matic playing in the midfield before you then know you're not going to get minutes as he's not going to replace Fernandez, if that's the position he's best at, and if Pogba is leaving then this lad needs game time.

I'm honestly at a loss on this one

Never should have been bought in the first place, wasnt what we needed at all and for me still isnt. Also he hasnt done anything in his appearances so far to justify staying or playing.....of course he should still be getting opportunities ahead of some though.

Main thing, if we dont see him as the answer....who is, a central midfielder needs to be purchased this window

 

[gorky_utd]

If we are not playing him, then just sell him and buy a CDM.

 

[TrustInJanuzaj]

Surely this was the game for him. Perfect game for a press resistant player. I just don’t think Ole fancies him which is a shame because he clearly has plenty of ability!

 

[Gary_Walsh_Nou_Camp_Hell]

He's being over looked for a zombie Matic and waste of space Lingard. Feel like today's game would gave suited Donny well.

He should try and sort a quick move before the end of the window. He's very professional about it but he's got to be pissed off.

 

[Cnaiür urs Skiötha]

Absolutely bizarre. Our midfield is by far the worst part of our squad and then there is this midfielder we bought last year for quite some money but never plays.
Not saying he is the solution but it is nearly impossible he would make our midfield worse if fielded. We can only win by giving him a run of games.

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

Bought for an apparent €40mil & devaluing by the week. He’ll be kept, will play very little then be sent back to Ajax on loan in January to then be sold back in some cut price deal.

 

[izec]

He is pointless in a midfield two, that is why he doesn't come on. He cant defend, cant attack, cant dribble and cant create. He is a more expensive Cleverley there.

He is a 10, and Bruno always plays, even 70 games in a season. Ole is a hoarder and likes to have the option on the bench, but realistically, he wont play much. He is also not a 10 we need, as he doesnt provide individual brilliance and relies on passing and fluidity. That is why Lingard is there and ahead of him.

We should sell him as long as he has some value, because he is next to useless for Ole.

 

[TheMitz]

When Matic and Fred are selected ahead of you it's time to seriously consider your future.

I felt this game was ideal for him.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

We should just sell him. One of the most pointless signings we've ever made. Needed a CM and signed an utterly uses AM for no apparent reason, and have to field Matic in away games against high press teams.