I haven't commented on that (this episode didn't explain that, it didn't particularly have to, maybe it will address it next season), I've responded to you wondering why they asked how many children were killed. It's quite simple.
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I haven't commented on that (this episode didn't explain that, it didn't particularly have to, maybe it will address it next season), I've responded to you wondering why they asked how many children were killed. It's quite simple.
So basically you're picking up and taking objection to something I said without even understanding why I said it? Your first post about thinking I was confused came before I even asked the question about the children. It's you who is confused here, though I shall explain it to you again.
If the Doctor thinks he pushed the button and killed Gallifrey, why does he somehow know that Gallifrey is time locked in the episode of The End of Time?
Secondly, if you don't think the Doctor ever would have pushed the button, then what reason does he have to count how many children on Gallifrey died after pushing it? And why would the Doctor have bothered to count if he knew he didn't push the button afterwards?
Read what I've actually said and then come back to me, instead of talking out of your arse.
Because he doesn't know that he didn't push it. As Genius Me explained. I don't understand why you can't grasp that.
edit: I don't really care if you enjoyed it or understood it, so I'll leave you to moan about how wrong it all is on your own.
Right I'm googling the Who Forums to see what they think of this.
Does that make sense. I dunno. I dont think so.
http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php...pisode-quot-The-Day-of-the-Doctor-quot/page22StevenLS said:
Does that make sense. I dunno. I dont think so.
Can't, John Hurt's Doctor comes before Tenant's Doctor and Tenant knows of the button pushing. If Tenant knows he pushed the button, it means the Time War couldn't have been time locked, otherwise there would have been no need for him to push the button.
It's excuses for lazy writing.
I'm going to watch the end of time episodes again to see what TH is going on about. I do briefly remember about the time lock and a pocket universe which ties in with what's happened in this episode.
But is it at all possible that the end of time episode happened not long after this episode for Doctor David so he still has recollection of everything, but his memory would have altered by the time he regenerated? I don't know, going to watch the end of time again to get a better understanding.
Edit: no because then that would conflict with him thinking he did Push the button.
But is it at all possible that the end of time episode happened not long after this episode for Doctor David so he still has recollection of everything, but his memory would have altered by the time he regenerated? I don't know, going to watch the end of time again to get a better understanding.
Edit: no because then that would conflict with him thinking he did Push the button.
Are you actually comic book guy from The Simpsons?
I didn't think it was confusing, obviously as always there's some things that don't quite add up but I think you just have to accept that. In regards to the end of time I thought it was that pre where eleven was at the end of DOTD, he thought he actually did destroy Galiifrey but afterwards eleven and any incarnations after him will know he didn't. So Hurt, 9, 10 and most of 11 thought they did it as they weren't able to remember.
The major thing it left out was the Time Lords going bad as per the end of time. That completed the picture as to why The Doctor would do something so terrible because both sides were going to destroy the universe one way or another. So where Ten was saying what he did was wrong etc didn't really tie in, had it been a simple case of the daleks were gonna win then you could argue it, much like with nine in his last episodes where he chose not to kill the daleks and the earth as collateral, but when both sides are the threat it makes it much less of a moral question. I guess cause of that they really include that bit. Although think it would have been cool to see the moment the doctor finds out what they're gonna do etc.
Either way I enjoyed it.
The major thing it left out was the Time Lords going bad as per the end of time. That completed the picture as to why The Doctor would do something so terrible because both sides were going to destroy the universe one way or another. So where Ten was saying what he did was wrong etc didn't really tie in, had it been a simple case of the daleks were gonna win then you could argue it, much like with nine in his last episodes where he chose not to kill the daleks and the earth as collateral, but when both sides are the threat it makes it much less of a moral question. I guess cause of that they really include that bit. Although think it would have been cool to see the moment the doctor finds out what they're gonna do etc.
Either way I enjoyed it.
In the empty child/the doctor dances, Jack Harkness mentions Pompeii as being a great place to visit if you set your alarm clock right (or something like that). Later the doctor visits Pompeii and lets it burn to kill some bad aliens. It does fly in the face of what happens here.
I feel like he should go back and save Pompeii.
I feel like he should go back and save Pompeii.
Didn't he say that it was "fixed", he couldn't save them. Where as with the moment there was an actual choice, to use it or not.
I think he did say it was fixed, but I'm sure he had a choice or something. I dunno can't remember. The aliens were stopping Pompeii from going up. He could have stopped it.
What's his name then? Surely he's not called Who?
I thought he described it as either press the button and undo what they were doing which would could the volcano to erupt or do nothing and they would conquer the earth. Something like that. Tbh though there are few situations where if you think about it he really should be able to save everyone, ie satan pit no reason he can't save the ood and the woman, but suppose they have to throw in some limitations, though probs more of a writing issue.
I've watched it for the 4th time now, I'd happily watch it over and over.
I've also been listening to a ton of the theme tunes.
I've also been listening to a ton of the theme tunes.
Did you see the BBC Proms special? It's on iPlayer if not, seems like you'd enjoy it.
I'll give it a shot later.
Thought the whole Rings of Akhaten (spelt that wrong probably, not bothering to check) bit was really good, with the two singers.
I always like seeing the villains walking around the place in these things as well.
I always like seeing the villains walking around the place in these things as well.
Loved the episode personally. I usually just ignore the plot holes because of all the time travel shit, it gets hard to keep track of, but could the episode where the master tries to bring them out of the time lock be after this episode? So because he doesn't know it in this episode, in the episode a few seasons go he would have figured it out by then.
Wherever he "unlocked" them from, so yeah I'm guessing that'd be the painting. The master tried taking them out of the parallel universe and tried to terraform gallifrey onto the earth (or however you say it) if memory serves me correctly, but the Doctor broke the link between universes and sent them back there, back into the time lock. That's how I see it as at least.
Classic Moffat, explained with yet another paradox. How boring.
I feel like if you look hard enough or analyse any tv show you'll always find plenty of plot holes and it just ruins your viewing experience. Some shows (Walking dead) are impossible to ignore and just becomes shit, but some others the show is still good overall so it keeps me interested and I can look past it (Doctor Who, for example).
Moffat has a masterplan, everything will be explained.
It is going to involve a paperclip and a rubberband mind you. I've seen a copy of it.
It is going to involve a paperclip and a rubberband mind you. I've seen a copy of it.
Capodi (CBA to look up spelling) is 13th regeneration. Rules will be rewritten on his reign of it will be end of the doctor. http://metro.co.uk/2013/11/24/docto...-doctor-regeneration-problem-sort-of-4199592/
I thought in one of the Sarah Jane series episodes, it was said the Doctor is no longer limited to 12 regenerations?
Also, didn't River give some of her regenerations to the Doctor?
In the minisode, didn't the sisterhood of Karn say the Doctor would die permanently in 4 minutes unless he drank the elixir to aid his next regeneration? Not only that but upon drinking the elixir he would become immortal? I didn't fully understand that bit. Got the next regeneration bit but is he technically now immortal i.e. infinite regenerations?
If so, why did the Doctor tell BadWolfRose that he had no wish to 'survive the Moment'? Maybe he meant he had no wish to survive in his current body? Gosh, this is exciting.
Also, one more observation that just hit me. We've had the 'Night' of the Doctor, the 'Day' of the Doctor, so by plagarism rules the next episode should be the 'Dawn' of the Doctor.
If so, why did the Doctor tell BadWolfRose that he had no wish to 'survive the Moment'? Maybe he meant he had no wish to survive in his current body? Gosh, this is exciting.
Also, one more observation that just hit me. We've had the 'Night' of the Doctor, the 'Day' of the Doctor, so by plagarism rules the next episode should be the 'Dawn' of the Doctor.
It was mentioned in the Sarah Jane series yes , I think there is unlimited regenerations now, not sure about River
I'm a longtime Who fan and I enjoyed it as much as I always have. Sure, it's hit & miss, but it ain't Sylvester McCoy's first season. Of all the cameos and fanwankery, the part which induced a mental fist-pump from me was the close up of Capaldi's Doctor steaming in. The re-launched Who has got the casting right every time without fail and I'm looking forward to the regeneration episode at Christmas.
Even if these things are ignored they'll have an epic story in which the Doctor ends up being given further lives.
That's a good point Loon. My childhood through Doctor Who saw him regenerated to Peter Davison (which was fine and quirky) but then I had to sit through years of fake-Baker and Sylvester. Shocking.
Christopher Ecclestone is near my favourite Doctor after Tom Baker. Shame he didn't continue. But Tennant and Smith have been excellent too. Can't wait for Capaldi, he looks the part with those eyebrows already!
Christopher Ecclestone is near my favourite Doctor after Tom Baker. Shame he didn't continue. But Tennant and Smith have been excellent too. Can't wait for Capaldi, he looks the part with those eyebrows already!
Capaldi will be 14th. Moffat has already said the regeneration limit will be addressed this episode. John Hurt and the regeneration that caused the hand clone of The Doctor also count.
That's a good point Loon. My childhood through Doctor Who saw him regenerated to Peter Davison (which was fine and quirky) but then I had to sit through years of fake-Baker and Sylvester. Shocking.
Christopher Ecclestone is near my favourite Doctor after Tom Baker. Shame he didn't continue. But Tennant and Smith have been excellent too. Can't wait for Capaldi, he looks the part with those eyebrows already!
I loved Eccleston (used to see him at OT all the time and stood on a Tube with him [way before Who] coming back from a Crystal Palace game -- was going to chat to him, but heard he can be a touchy sod, so didn't).
I am also a child of the Baker/Davison era. Think Davison is underrated (met him too, nice guy!)
I used to watch All Creatures Great and Small just to see the 'Doctor'. How sad is that? 
Damn you 4 channelled TVs!
Damn you 4 channelled TVs!
The hand clone doesnt count. Where are you getting that from? That was even addressed at the time. Unless we aren't talking about the hand that jack had on a jar
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