Television Doctor Who

I'm sure they wont.

Did we ever find out what blew up the Tardis? Or why? Or what happened to those red Darleks? Or what the planet Barcelona looks like? Or what happened to his daughter/clone? Or what happened to his granddaughter (okay that probably will be answered)? Or what happened to his regular son/daughter (okay that will probably be answered too).
 
It's a shame Doctor Who is ruined by such terrible and inconsistent writing that regularly insults the intelligence of its fanbase.
 
That'sHernandez said:
It's a shame Doctor Who is ruined by such terrible and inconsistent writing that regularly insults the intelligence of its fanbase.
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Thats not really fair.

Doctor Who has got, in places, fantastic writing. Weeping Angels, the Ood (okay two brains was a bit boring), Are You My Mummy?, etc. What it doesnt have is long enough series or big enough budgets when compared to its American counterparts. At the same time, its challenged with bringing Sci-entertaining Fi to a new generation of children and adults, as well as being true to Doctor Who lore.

The first 5 or so series (9th and 10th doctors) used a tried and tested format which was easy, but worked. Every episode would be essentially standalone, except for the occasion two-parter which was still self-contained. Aside from a few hints throughout the season to what the finale would have in store, there was little continuity in the storylines.

With Matt Smith the broke that and made every season essentially one continuous story. Unforortunatly they made them all too complicated with promises they could never cash.
 
What does everyone think of this episode, one of my favourites..

 
That'sHernandez said:
That still means there's a plot hole in that the Doctor thinks he destroyed Gallifrey entirely at the point of the other Christmas special. Meaning the whole idea of Gallifrey and the Time War coming out of a time locked parallel universe is wrong because Gallifrey, to the Doctor's knowledge, no longer exists because he pushed the button.
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What do you mean by this? I thought the events in the Christmas special happened just before the doctor 'destroyed' Gallifrey?
 
ha_rooney said:
What do you mean by this? I thought the events in the Christmas special happened just before the doctor 'destroyed' Gallifrey?
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The Master unlocked them from their time pocket thing. I think.
 
rcoobc said:
What does everyone think of this episode, one of my favourites..

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That was a great episode. Probably my favourite alongside the first time we saw the Weeping Angels.
 
rcoobc said:
Thats not really fair.

Doctor Who has got, in places, fantastic writing. Weeping Angels, the Ood (okay two brains was a bit boring), Are You My Mummy?, etc. What it doesnt have is long enough series or big enough budgets when compared to its American counterparts. At the same time, its challenged with bringing Sci-entertaining Fi to a new generation of children and adults, as well as being true to Doctor Who lore.

The first 5 or so series (9th and 10th doctors) used a tried and tested format which was easy, but worked. Every episode would be essentially standalone, except for the occasion two-parter which was still self-contained. Aside from a few hints throughout the season to what the finale would have in store, there was little continuity in the storylines.

With Matt Smith the broke that and made every season essentially one continuous story. Unforortunatly they made them all too complicated with promises they could never cash.
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The latter isn't true, it has two halves of 6 episodes now, that's 12 per season. They spent the best half of the previous season dragging out killing Rory and Amy off for crying out loud, they just don't use the time they have adequately.

My main issue is pretty much every plot hole is resolved by a paradox, or sometimes it's even part of how the Doctor resolves his latest challenge whereby he somehow manages to find himself in two place at once, and I find it very lazy. And that is before we even get on to how smug Steven Moffat is about it all, as though he is God's gift to Sci-Fi and has singlehandedly brought Doctor Who to the masses, ignoring all that has gone before him.
 
The thing about Doctor Who is that its actually some of the worst sci-fi around.

Still good entertainment.
 
Don't get me wrong, I like Doctor Who or at least I think I do. Probably. I just find it incredibly lazy at times.
 
ha_rooney said:
What do you mean by this? I thought the events in the Christmas special happened just before the doctor 'destroyed' Gallifrey?
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Even if that's the case, today's episode tells us Tenant's Doctor knows/remembers Hurt's Doctor pushing the button and destroying Gallifrey, meaning he doesn't know Gallifrey is time locked into a parallel universe but in the episode he does and he knows what the Master is trying to do by bringing Gallifrey back. As far as both characters should be aware, Hurt's Doctor destroyed Gallifrey and ended the Time War.
 
If they threw the budget of Dcotor Who at, say, the Culture series, how much better would that be?

Or any other sci-fi series
 
That'sHernandez said:
Even if that's the case, today's episode tells us Tenant's Doctor knows/remembers Hurt's Doctor pushing the button and destroying Gallifrey, meaning he doesn't know Gallifrey is time locked into a parallel universe but in the episode he does and he knows what the Master is trying to do by bringing Gallifrey back. As far as both characters should be aware, Hurt's Doctor destroyed Gallifrey and ended the Time War.
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I think you've gone wrong somewhere here, but it's too late for me.
 
rcoobc said:
What does everyone think of this episode, one of my favourites..

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So many great moments in this one.
Firstly the Dialog:
Rose: Whats the emergency?
The Doctor: It's Mauve.
Rose: Mauve?
The Doctor: Universally recognised colour for danger
Rose: What happened to red?
The Doctor: Well that's just humans. By everyone elses standards, red is camp!

Doctor Constantine: "Before this war started I was both a Father and a Grandfather. Now I am neither, but I am still a doctor."
The Doctor: "Yeah, I know the feeling."

Jack Harkness: "It's a real pleasure to meet you Mr Spock."
The Doctor (to Rose only): "Mr Spock?"
Rose: "What was I supposed to say, you don't have a name. Don't you ever get tired of Doctor? Doctor who?"

The Doctor: "Relax, he's a 51st century guy, he's just a bit more flexible when it comes to dancing."
Rose: "How flexible?"
The Doctor: "Well by his time you lot are spread out across half the galaxy."
Rose: "Meaning?"
The Doctor: "So many species, so little time."
Rose: "What, that's what we do when we get out there? Thats our mission? We seek new life and.."
The Doctor: "Dance."

The Doctor: "Rose! I've just remembered! I can dance! I can dance!"
Rose: "Actually Doctor, I thought Jack might like this dance."
The Doctor: "I'm sure he would Rose, I'm absolutely certain. But who with?"
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Secondly the Sci-Fi; a zombie like plague caused by a Tula Ambulance Spaceship in the middle of the Second World War? Classic sci-fi.

Thirdly the monster: Are you my mummy? Mummy. Are you my mummy. Mummy. Help me mummy. Mummy. Are you in there mummy?

Lastly the introduction of Jack Harkness. Great chemistry, great character.

Oh and super lastly: A gay kiss on prime-time TV on the sequel to possibly the best ever episode of Doctor Who.. nice!

Really brilliant from Moffat.

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I've just finished rewatching it. It's so Douglas Adams. Absolutely love it.
 
I think to enjoy it you just have to not bother thinking about plot holes and jump on the cheese train.
 
So crackwhoers seems to be the expert, Howcome john hurt and David will forget what happened?
 
That'sHernandez said:
That Hurt pushed the button.
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Hmmm, so if that's the case. Then would the doctor have ever pushed the button in the first place? He might have always thought he did but then found out now that he hasn't hence not actually re writing his own time line?
 
Genius Me! said:
Hmmm, so if that's the case. Then would the doctor have ever pushed the button in the first place? He might have always thought he did but then found out now that he hasn't hence not actually re writing his own time line?
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No, I don't think he ever would have. I think the timeline has always been that way.
 
feck me sideways, for people who actually spent money to watch that pile of shite at a fecking cinema, you really didn't pay much attention to what you were actually watching did you?
 
That'sHernandez said:
Then why the question about counting how many children on Gallifrey died?
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You said yourself that john hurt and David tennant won't remember what happened, so if they think that they pushed the button that whole time then of course he's going to question how many children died because as far as he would have known, they died.

But then that's another thing that puzzles me, if the doctors (other than Matt smith from the time it happened afterwards again) had no recollection of the whole event, then how did Matt smith remember about the fez and that whole time warp thing where he met up with David.
 
Genius Me! said:
But then that's another thing that puzzles me, if the doctors (other than Matt smith from the time it happened afterwards again) had no recollection of the whole event, then how did Matt smith remember about the fez and that whole time warp thing where he met up with David.
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Well I guess there are some things they forget because time lines are colliding, some things they forget because hundreds of years pass between those 3 doctors, and some things they remember.

I guess technically Smith, Hurt and Tennant's timelines hadnt collided when the fez thing happened. Or not properly.
 
rcoobc said:
Well I guess there are some things they forget because time lines are colliding, some things they forget because hundreds of years pass between those 3 doctors, and some things they remember.

I guess technically Smith, Hurt and Tennant's timelines hadnt collided when the fez thing happened. Or not properly.
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I have it on record, I'm watching it again. I only started watching doctor who a couple of years ago and caught up with all the seasons in the space of a few weeks so I'm sure there's a lot of stuff I miss which makes it harder to connect things.

One of my favourite series though. Not sure if it would be worth me watching it all the way from the beginning though.
 
Thanks GeniusMe, that makes a little more sense now. Or enough sense to satisfy that there was enough Doctorish stuff to just about make it work. I'll rewatch with that in mind.

Thanks goodness as I was about to flush my Sky box down the toilet otherwise.
 
That'sHernandez said:
feck me sideways, for people who actually spent money to watch that pile of shite at a fecking cinema, you really didn't pay much attention to what you were actually watching did you?
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I didn't go the cinema, I remember the question, I'm puzzled at which part is confusing you. It makes perfect sense.
 
Rowem said:
I didn't go the cinema, I remember the question, I'm puzzled at which part is confusing you. It makes perfect sense.
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Nothing is confusing me, I'm telling you it contradicts its own story.
 
Genius Me! said:
But then that's another thing that puzzles me, if the doctors (other than Matt smith from the time it happened afterwards again) had no recollection of the whole event, then how did Matt smith remember about the fez and that whole time warp thing where he met up with David.
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He begins to remember things as they happen.
 
Rowem said:
No, it doesn't. Now let's break it down. Which part is confusing you.
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I already broke it down. If you lack the reading comprehension to understand what I have said then that's your issue, not mine.
 
That'sHernandez said:
I already broke it down. If you lack the reading comprehension to understand what I have said then that's your issue, not mine.
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Touchy little shit :lol:

You're confused about why he asked, how many children were killed, but that has already been explained (and is frankly not very difficult to comprehend)

I don't see why you're being such a moody little child. Does it anger you that much that you didn't understand? Do you have some underlying self-esteem issues regarding your intelligence?
 
Rowem said:
Touchy little shit :lol:

You're confused about why he asked, how many children were killed, but that has already been explained (and is frankly not very difficult to comprehend)

I don't see why you're being such a moody little child. Does it anger you that much that you didn't understand? Do you have some underlying self-esteem issues regarding your intelligence?
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Have you even read the thread?

Edit: I'll help you out. The 50th Anniversary contradicts what happens in these episodes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_End_of_Time
 
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