Id even go on to say, fans are more knowledgeable about what goes on on the continent than these so called pundits. Even Scholes was going on about it last night. Do these guys even watch football? Most people couldn't even believe he signed for Eest Ham ffs.
Dimitri Payet | Joins Marseille for £25million
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What is wrong with the English is that the dictionary definition of loyalty is "a strong feeling of support or allegiance to something or someone." That is the exact opposite of what this goon is doing. He signed a fat new contract with Pound signs in his eyes in February, for either 4 or 5 years and less than a year later is refusing to play until he can leave. That is not loyal. If you got married in January and by Christmas your new wife was down the docks doing favours for sailors would you say she had been loyal or was a filthy disloyal slack old tabby?
You are right but you can't really expect loyalty from a player who joined you despite the fact that he didn't wanted to leave his old club.
Yes, you can. If he signs a contract he can't throw his toys about when he is expected to honour it. If you don't want to stay don't tie yourself in imo.
Shouldn't have signed a new contract then?
Wants his cake and eat it..... quite literally looking at his paunch.
A contract doesn't equate to the definition you gave, "a strong feeling of support or allegiance to something", you can't buy that. While Payet should respect his word and play for West Ham, West Ham can't think that you can buy loyalty, no one should think that.
I'm not on about Payet in particular. I may well agree with you. I'm just referring to a blanket assessment of all 29 year olds which is what the post was alluding to.
Sorry, crossed wires no they can't expect loyalty, but they can expect him to honour the legally binding contract he signed of his own free will is what I was trying to get at
Because I have a hard time believing that a club owned by Frank McCourt would be willing to offer him the same wage as a Premier League club. I will be happy to admit I was wrong if he indeed signs up for Marseille and if Marseille indeed pay a huge transfer fee to sign him.
Frank McCourt bought the club for 45 Million Euros, I doubt he spends close to two thirds of that fee to sign a single player.
Either your English is your second language or you don't know how to read. I did say he remained loyal "in the summer", which he did!! I never said he remained loyal forever!! Clearly he signed a new contract in February 2016, if he wasn't loyal in summer he would have leave West Ham in summer!!
Just because he signed a new contract in February doesn't mean he can't leave the club 5 months later and there were many big clubs were targeting him especially Real Madrid in summer. He had the chance to join bigger club but he stayed in West Ham because they promised him a "quality striker" but end up with Zaza not Lacazette.
I don't know what McCourt will do but under normal circumstances that deal is in Marseilles' ballpark. He bought the club for that fee because the previous owner got rid of all the big wages in order to sell the club faster.
Also we will see if it's true but they are supposed to have a 200m budget for next year and 150m to buy players in the next 30 months.
There are always exceptions that can be made for special players and players who take very good care of themselves (Players like Giggs, Zanetti, Zlatan for example). But in general you are only looking at another 3-4 years of playing career when 29.
This is stupid. He only wanted to stay because the club promised him a quality striker. They tried to sign Lacazette for this reason as well but end up with Zaza. If he wanted he could have leave West Ham in summer which is 5 months later after he signed a new contract.
How does it feel if you work or signed a contract with a company who promises to give you a quality partner who finished a degree to do a project but end up with a person who can't even finish a high school and can't do anything good and at the end of the day you do all the works and failed because the project cannot be done by 1 person only? I'll be disappointed.
I see what you are saying, I don't agree though, loyalty is not leaving just because you don't get your own way.
That's exactly what I said, lol.
In February 2016 he was offered a Juicy contract. Anyone will take it. He didn't ask for a contract, the club was being stupid to give him a contract so other club will need to spend massive to buy him. In July/August 2016, big club like Real Madrid was interested to sign him but he stayed. Either you want to call it being loyal or no in your definition but he stayed at club and rejected a big club. That's already considered being loyal. If Scholes stayed Because he loves the club, Payet stayed because he thought West Ham could give him a quality striker and win something. There is always a reason.
Any players also want to win something. Even RVP wanted EPL and that's why he left Arsenal and joined United. Payet deserves more than a West Ham. He's 29 years old and wanted to win.
It's like fans only expect loyalty from footballer to club. How often do clubs show players loyalty?
Sorry but I can't agree, it works both ways though, if the club wanted him gone and he wanted to stay I would expect the club to honour his contract that they gave him, same applies to him, I've got no issue with him wanting to leave, but I do have an issue with him refusing to play until he gets to leave. He signed a contract to play for West Ham in return for a salary, I bet if West Ham decided they didn't want him anymore so stopped paying him he would have something to say about that..... It's the same thing.
This is quite funny:
I can understand West Ham. They want to show that players can't just force a move away from the club, and if they sign a contract they can't just get their way. It's a shitty situation, but unless stupid money is offered I think they should keep him and fine him as much as they can unless he starts playing and showing desire for the team (if this is possible).
How the club is perceived by players within the club and potential new signings also depend on what happens here, not just about the money.
How the club is perceived by players within the club and potential new signings also depend on what happens here, not just about the money.
De Gea said he wasnt mentally ready to play and i can understand that, big difference. You expect the move, probably want to move and then it all fell aparts in the closing stages. Not many similarities whit players that refuse to play/train because club doesnt want to sell from the start, and in most cases those players signed a new contract few months ago. I dont like Rojo.
Im sorry but this is a good example of a double standard when it comes to judging players. De Gea is still a professional and he should've continued playing with the club he was contracted with. How is it any different from the Payet situation? LVG blasted him (De Gea) for it. De Gea in his defense stated that he was 'baffled' by LVGs claims that he didn't want to play so who do you believe? Ruud van Nistelrooy and Scholes both refused to play/ruled themselves out of selection for games at United before. Berbatov refused to play for Spurs before he signed for United and Saha had to force his move from Fulham to United in January as the club were very unwilling to sell. I don't recall too many United supporters questioning the professionalism of those players (well Ruud got some stick but not from all corners).
I already explained De Gea situation with Payets, for me those are 2 different situations but shall we now go through every situations there was? In general i hate it when players refuse to play.
Scholes refused to play one game and immediately apologized the other day, if he didnt tell that story there is a big possibility nobody would ever now and regardless of that, he doesnt belong in that company so you can continue with your theory of double standard.
But would love to hear what is your criteria for my double standards, the only relation to De Gea i have is through United(im not spanish, dont particularly like the guy(nor dislike in fairness)) and i already said i dont like Rojo who did that and i can tell you that i didnt like Ruud when he acted like a bitch.
Fans spitting on his shirt
Yes I know he was a French international but his profile was nowhere near what it is now, West Ham gave him the global platform.
A journalist (a brave one) needs to read that out at a West Ham press conference and ask Bilic for his thoughts.
West Ham should just get rid. Hes probably only got a few yeasr at top level as he does not seem to be a player that will be playing beyond 34, so could be blessing getting money now.
If he just wants to return to Marseille and is not trying to wriggle his way to a better club, then fair enough. They should get around 30m for him and make sure they put in a sell on percentage clause if he end up going to a bigger club after.
If he just wants to return to Marseille and is not trying to wriggle his way to a better club, then fair enough. They should get around 30m for him and make sure they put in a sell on percentage clause if he end up going to a bigger club after.
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In football, one rule must prevail over everything in terms of management
---> Always sell a player whose risk profile is high (too young, too old, too inconsistent, prone-injury player...) when you receive offers superior to 30 millions.
Good Management
--> Monaco sold Martial for more than 60 millions of pounds. The risk profile of Martial was still high because Monaco didn't know if he was able to deliver 2 great consecutive seasons. So many young players shine for several months before disappearing.
--> Real Madrid sold Jésé for 25 millions: a sub who proved nothing at the high level and don't talk me about his imaginary potential.
Disappointing Management
--> West Ham could have sold Payet (30 years next March) for a great transfer fee last summer, a player whose career was marked by inconsistent performances.
In 2012, Milan AC sold the Serie A top scorer Zlatan for 20 millions of euros because he was 31 years at that time but - as you know - it was a big mistake because he had always been consistent in his career.
So, it was obvious for me that West Ham should have sold him last summer if their shareholders did want to recycle money and recruit younger players.
---> Always sell a player whose risk profile is high (too young, too old, too inconsistent, prone-injury player...) when you receive offers superior to 30 millions.
Good Management
--> Monaco sold Martial for more than 60 millions of pounds. The risk profile of Martial was still high because Monaco didn't know if he was able to deliver 2 great consecutive seasons. So many young players shine for several months before disappearing.
--> Real Madrid sold Jésé for 25 millions: a sub who proved nothing at the high level and don't talk me about his imaginary potential.
Disappointing Management
--> West Ham could have sold Payet (30 years next March) for a great transfer fee last summer, a player whose career was marked by inconsistent performances.
In 2012, Milan AC sold the Serie A top scorer Zlatan for 20 millions of euros because he was 31 years at that time but - as you know - it was a big mistake because he had always been consistent in his career.
So, it was obvious for me that West Ham should have sold him last summer if their shareholders did want to recycle money and recruit younger players.
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The club didn't honoured him a new contract because he wanted to stay. Reason why the club honoured him a new contract because of his performance and they want to increase his price higher so decrease the chance of him leaving 5 months later. He has the choice to stay or leave after 5 months he was given a new contract and he chose to stay. He knows that the club is pretty much can't win a thing anymore and failed to attract top players so now he wants to leave for bigger ambition which is what we call it as winning trophy.
The best way to force his way out is by asking a transfer request, he probably did say he wants to leave in January but the club said no you are staying we don't wanna sell you. So Payet had no choice but said he refuse to play because the club doesn't want to sell him. You got no issue with him wanting to leave but the reason why he refuses to play because the club doesn't allow him to leave.
Let's say it one more time. He signed a four or five year contract. If he signs a four or five year contract he should damn well honour it if the club want him to stay. If he doesn't have any plans to stay four or five years don't sign it. And I'll bet he hasn't submitted an official transfer request because that would mean giving up the laughably named loyalty bonus.
Your thinking is so naive. Any player who is offered a Juicy contract without being asked is obviously going to accept it, why does he need to honoured the stupid action of the club that gave him a new contract and more money?
And also just because he accepted the new contract that doesn't mean a guarantee that he won't leave one year after he signed a new contract.
His plan to stay if West Ham can guarantee him winning something, they failed to sign a top striker so what's the point of staying if the club failed to meet his criteria. West Ham isn't a big club, Payet is a top player. A top player wants to win and many big clubs are going to try to sign him. This is just a normal day of football! Your statement is hilarious
West Ham was lucky enough that Payet stayed in summer.BECAUSE HE SIGNED A LEGALLY BINDING CONTRACT TO PROVIDE A SERVICE FOR A SET AMOUNT OF TIME IN RETURN FOR MONEY! Its not a difficult concept. Why shouldnt your landlord kick you out one month after you sign a lease? Why should he need to honour the stupid action of you that signed a lease? Why shouldnt BMW turn up one month after you agree to buy a car from them and take it back? Why should they be expected to honour the agreement you both signed?Your thinking is so naive. Any player who is offered a Juicy contract without being asked is obviously going to accept it, why does he need to honoured the stupid action of the club that gave him a new contract and more money?
And also just because he accepted the new contract that doesn't mean a guarantee that he won't leave one year after he signed a new contract.
His plan to stay if West Ham can guarantee him winning something, they failed to sign a top striker so what's the point of staying if the club failed to meet his criteria. West Ham isn't a big club, Payet is a top player. A top player wants to win and many big clubs are going to try to sign him. This is just a normal day of football! Your statement is hilarious
If he wants to leave then fair enough. BUT the way to do that is through dialogue and negotiation with the club, not by downing tools and refusing to play like the spoilt entitled primadonna little bitch that he and so many footballers are.
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Exactly, therefore expecting him to actually turn up and do the job he is being payed to do is not unreasonable.
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Again. Another hilarious statement comparing football with car company. It's not difficult concepts but it's two different concepts!! So much wrong in your statement here because you don't understand the world of football.
If you want to compare a non related football with football I can play with your game mate.
Let me ask you again,
How does it feel if you work or signed a contract with a company who promises to give you a quality partner who finished a degree to do a project but end up with a person who can't even finish a high school and can't do anything good and at the end of the day you do all the works and failed because the project cannot be done by 1 person only?
I'll be disappointed with the way how the company treated me. I'll keep working until my contract end because obviously there is no "selling player or employee" in this kind of job mate!! But most likely I might be fired due to the failure of the project.
In football the concept is different, you can get away from the club/company by asking to leave. If they don't do it then the best way to force you out from the club is refuse to play, his agent knows this is the best way because his wages is high and the club needs to sell him otherwise they will need to pay his wages for nothing.
Who's fault? Well, obviously the club for being stupid to give a new Juicy contract to the player. They should know that they are not a big club and considered to be a selling club and still dare to give a massive contract to the player but doesn't know the consequences of it. If you want to keep your top player you have to make sure you can meet their criteria.
He remained loyal last summer which he did but the club failed to meet the criteria which makes him lost interested.
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This is the key point, I wouldnt suddenly stop going to work and expect to keep getting paid. If he wants to leave, then he has to go about it in the proper way. Negotiate with the club to find an acceptable solution for both parties, not throw a tantrum and refuse to play like a spoilt little bitch.
Tbh we dont know exactly how it came to this point. Apparently there are unforseen family reasons as to which he wants to go back to France.
So I wouldnt go as far to call him a spoilt little bitch without all the information. All of those things are easy to say but if your wife took your kid and went back to France maybe you wouldnt handle it well either if the club refused to even consider selling you back to a French club.
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