not sure why he is being dissected like this. I've always been one of his biggest fans. The few games when he hasn't been so good, the rest of the team has been abysmal too, so why he's singled out, I don't know.
Dimitar Berbatov | 2010/11 Performances
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I don't get it either Erica. I'm not the type to think players are above criticism when deserved. I don't know Berb's scoring stats but I wouldn't bet against him being pretty close to a 1 in 2 striker.
He wasn't 'rested' though, he was dropped because another player who seems to suit our style of play much more was given his chance and took it
Harsh on the league's top scorer perhaps, but that's football
In my time following United and my time on the caf no player has divided opinions like Berbatov. Rooney is now coming close, not because of his ability, but because idiots like to believe what they read in the papers and what they see on TV.
I think many people on here just can't get over the fact that Fergie opted to play Berbatov over Tevez a few times and Tevez got pissed off and left.
Tevez then showed at City when he is the main man, he is a phenomenal player.
And I can't believe that after scoring a fecking beautiful hattrick against Liverpool Berbatov didn't go down as an instant legend.
Oshea won a game in front of the kop with a tap in and he was seen as a hero.
Hell even Tweety was seen as a hero after scoring a brace against them.
I am semi guilty of not appreciating Berbatov. I think it's his sulking and yelling at Nani. That really pisses me off.
But Berbatov never complains about getting dropped in big games even after performing well. This is very admirable.
Berbatov is doing the business this year and he is an incredible player.
I still want to see Rooney play up top on his own in big games though. Sorry.
I think many people on here just can't get over the fact that Fergie opted to play Berbatov over Tevez a few times and Tevez got pissed off and left.
Tevez then showed at City when he is the main man, he is a phenomenal player.
And I can't believe that after scoring a fecking beautiful hattrick against Liverpool Berbatov didn't go down as an instant legend.
Oshea won a game in front of the kop with a tap in and he was seen as a hero.
Hell even Tweety was seen as a hero after scoring a brace against them.
I am semi guilty of not appreciating Berbatov. I think it's his sulking and yelling at Nani. That really pisses me off.
But Berbatov never complains about getting dropped in big games even after performing well. This is very admirable.
Berbatov is doing the business this year and he is an incredible player.
I still want to see Rooney play up top on his own in big games though. Sorry.
Bad example there.
So what do you believe then? You invite the United squad round your gaff to discuss the ins and outs of things before coming to your opinion about matters?!What do you know about Rooney that the TV and papers have conned us to believe otherwise then oh wise one?
But as a result of the dropping he is rested, that surely is a positive at this time of the season?
I agree fully with your sentiment, it's up to him to fight for his place back and signs have been encouraging. (as much as a fan can tell, I don't have spies in and around the club!)
What do you know about Rooney that the TV and papers have conned us to believe otherwise then oh wise one?
The media (English, American, Canadian, etc) has done nothing to show me that what they report is actually real.
We can get into a huge debate about the media. But I don't blindly accept that certain players do this and that off the field or make x amount based on a feckin Sky Sports or even Sun article.
There is always much more or much less to the story.
If you were a writer and had to sell papers, get ratings etc you would spout shit too.
Unless you were in the room with Fergie and Rooney you don't know the story.
And I don't mean to defend Rooney or bash him. We just don't know the full story and possibly may never.
To be honest, this sticks in my mind, too and I can't forgive him for it.
You can accept it from someone like Keane because you know that they are giving it 100% themselves but Berba... slagging off another player? I used to think he needed to get his own shit in order before slagging off a young player who was, themselves, perhaps suffering from a slight crisis in confidence.
It got so bad between Nani and Berba at some stages in previous seasons where I thought that Berba was deliberately holding onto the ball despite Nani calling for it (and being in a good position) because he didn't trust Nani to do anything with it (either that or he really just didn't like him and didn't want to give it to him - the kind of thing that kids do in the playground).
Used to make me laugh when people would play the ball to his feet and he would lose control and then go mad and indicate that they should have played it ahead of him, into space.
On other occasions, they would play it ahead of him, he couldn't catch it and he would go berserk, indicating that they should have played it into his feet.
Shit likes this sticks in the memory.
I disagree. If we played a team who's come and parked the bus and we had to bring a player to unlock their defense open, I'm sorry, but it won't be Hernandez and perhaps not even Rooney. It would be Berbatov.
Hernandez ' pace means nothing when you have 10 behind the ball
your point fails. We have strikers with very different and unique qualities. Each one of them could win us that hypothetical game /title
Probably sticks because of personal biases and the incidents become, in your mind, a lot larger than they are.
Yes, he throws his hands in the air and yells at fellow players but, as you said if it was Keane then you'd laud them as a leader doing their job to get people's shit together. It wasn't like Keane never messed up.
Agree also that he will sometimes put blame when it isn't his fault but, teammates do that - these guys practice and spend a lot of time together, so some of it is probably expected but, again for anyone that has preset agenda against will take it to be a huge negative about him. It's a an annoyance but, nothing more.
I think much of the criticism against Berbatov is that he hasn't really provided that little bit of magic to unlock the defences on a consistent enough basis to warrant counting on it in such a tight situation, though.
Rooney can provide a bit of magic AND just muscle his way through a defence.
Hernandez is not just about pace, he's about clever movement, pulling defenders around and creating himself that bit of space. I can't actually remember too many goals from Hernandez where his blistering pace behind defences has led to a goal, to be honest. More often than not, it has been cute movement and anticipation.
I know what you're saying and we do have a nice mix of strikers with differing qualities. To me, Owen is a very similar type of striker to Hernandez, for example, which is probably why we have seen little of Owen this season (it hasn't been entirely down to Owen being injured - more Fergie wanting to give Hernandez as much game-time as possible). His experience aside, Owen has largely become superfluous to requirements now that Hernandez has proved himself more than capable and the "mix" is more important than the number of strikers.
Back in the day of Yorke, Cole, Sheringham and Solksjaer, I can't imagine a more diverse bunch of strikers but they complemented each other perfectly and, as I remember, we did quite well with them (
) because of the options they each provided Fergie with.I have no objective reasoning for this but there are just some players who are brought off the bench and I just think, "Oh yes!" and others I just think, "Oh".
I think much of the criticism against Berbatov is that he hasn't really provided that little bit of magic to unlock the defences on a consistent enough basis to warrant counting on it in such a tight situation, though.
Rooney can provide a bit of magic AND just muscle his way through a defence.
Hernandez is not just about pace, he's about clever movement, pulling defenders around and creating himself that bit of space. I can't actually remember too many goals from Hernandez where his blistering pace behind defences has led to a goal, to be honest. More often than not, it has been cute movement and anticipation.
I know what you're saying and we do have a nice mix of strikers with differing qualities. To me, Owen is a very similar type of striker to Hernandez, for example, which is probably why we have seen little of Owen this season (it hasn't been entirely down to Owen being injured - more Fergie wanting to give Hernandez as much game-time as possible). His experience aside, Owen has largely become superfluous to requirements now that Hernandez has proved himself more than capable and the "mix" is more important than the number of strikers.
Back in the day of Yorke, Cole, Sheringham and Solksjaer, I can't imagine a more diverse bunch of strikers but they complemented each other perfectly and, as I remember, we did quite well with them (
I have no objective reasoning for this but there are just some players who are brought off the bench and I just think, "Oh yes!" and others I just think, "Oh".
but we had an excellent midfield then!
Actually, the opposite has happened a lot more frequently and is still happening. Nani is usually the one who overplays the ball on a lot of occassions, meaning that he takes the extra touches, or additional bit of skill and does not always pick the best moment for the most effective pass.
Imo, it has gotten better but Nani still needs to improve on when and what pass to deliver. Watch the next match both of them play closely and you will see instances when Berba is in the best position to receive a pass, but Nani either takes too long or picks another player.
You do see that a lot. Berba finds space and even calls for it, yet Nani decides to carry on to the byline or move inside for a shot.
The Nani Strikes Back uh? I'd hate to think that this kind of shenanigans is going on between two of our best attacking players but perhaps Nani does remember a day when he was struggling and the fans were getting a bit on his back and Berba wasn't helping by yelling at him everytime he made a mistake?
I dunno but I'll watch out for that in our next matches, for sure.
I'd also ask you to watch exactly where Berba is standing when he's calling for the ball because there have been several times this season when he's been screaming for the ball - despite being a yard offside throughout the entire move.
Also several times when, after the ball was not passed to him because he was offside, he's gone berserk.
"slagging off"Looks like this thread has cornered the market in shite-talking now that the Glazers thread have gone fairly quiet.
For now, anyway...
Berbatov is the new Rooney.
Well that's kind of confusing because, for a while there, Rooney was the new Berbatov.
"feckin' Berbatov, strolls around and doesn't give a shit."
Some time later...
"feckin' Berbatov, shouting at his teammates, what a cock."
It's almost like he can't win with some people. Almost.
Some time later...
"feckin' Berbatov, shouting at his teammates, what a cock."
It's almost like he can't win with some people. Almost.
I think it was the fact he was strolling about and still shouted at his team mates that got people annoyed
I don't.
Looks like this thread has cornered the market in shite-talking now that the Glazers thread have gone fairly quiet.
For now, anyway...
Don't you have a penis to measure or something, Pogue?
Oh a positive note his interview technique is good.
Not really, and it's absolutely ridiculous. Rooney does it all the time, Nani does it often, although not so much now, Giggs does it with what looks like actual fecking hate. Hell, Giggs sometimes misplaces a pass, and stands there looking furious at the receiver, despite it being his fault. It doesn't mean anything, and you can go through all the videos you like and when a goal goes in, you don't see Berbatov walking away, pissed off, but celebrating with the same players, Rooney, Nani etc.
It's an absolute nothing point, and is just searching is all it is.
Really? You do realize that a whole host of players before Berbatov have done, or do this.
Did these people never see Schmeichel in action? Christ.
Hehe, I wish I could know the total number of berba threads and posts on the forum, newbs included. Must run ridiculously high.
I was going to use Schmeichel as an example actually but I forgot how to spell his name.
There are some players who you don't mind doing it (they're often the Captain, for a start). There are some players who you think aren't exactly doing their OWN job 100% and so shouldn't really be throwing stones in glass-houses, so to speak.
To be fair, I've noticed this a lot less this season and the change started in pre-season when Berbatov's whole demeanour seemed to change. He was playing with a smile on his face, trying (and pulling off) the fancy flicks and tricks and generally seeming to be a more confident, content player. A million miles away from the player who finished last season looked completely devoid of self-belief.
It made me wonder if he had been taking out his frustrations with his own game on other players. And that, in itself, is a bit of a no-no, isn't it?
I was going to use Schmeichel as an example actually but I forgot how to spell his name.
There are some players who you don't mind doing it (they're often the Captain, for a start). There are some players who you think aren't exactly doing their OWN job 100% and so shouldn't really be throwing stones in glass-houses, so to speak.
To be fair, I've noticed this a lot less this season and the change started in pre-season when Berbatov's whole demeanour seemed to change. He was playing with a smile on his face, trying (and pulling off) the fancy flicks and tricks and generally seeming to be a more confident, content player. A million miles away from the player who finished last season looked completely devoid of self-belief.
It made me wonder if he had been taking out his frustrations with his own game on other players. And that, in itself, is a bit of a no-no, isn't it?
And nobody else ever does that. Ever.
Anyone else recall Cantona's reactions to Cole on many an occasion? If looks could kill...
So you've never seen Schmeichel go ballistic at whoever's closest to him when he was the one who made the mistake? Never seen Ronaldo stand with his hands on his hips when he's just tried to beat three players and blames Park for whatever reason?
Judging by some of the posts in this thread there are going to be some seriously pissed off people when he signs a new contract.
But hadnt the likes of Cantona, Giggs and Schmeichel earned the right to give out to team mates?
And gets nominated for Premier League POTY.
Hopefully he scores the winner against Chelsea to put us through to the semi's and everyone starts to like him just a little bit.
Hopefully he scores the winner against Chelsea to put us through to the semi's and everyone starts to like him just a little bit.
I wont be. But I just think it is a very unusual situation for a player of his stature to have to play 3rd choice. And the better Hernandez gets the harder it will be for Berbatov to change that
I dont like the sight of him warming a bench.
I was playing football last night. I was standing in front of goal in yards of space and a team-mate shot into the side netting from a ridiculously wide angle. I duly had a go at him and he, in turn, held a hand up to apologise.
Should I maybe have said nothing, until I "earned the right" to express an opinion?
feck me. This is such a non-event. Absurd issue to get worked up about. Footballer shouts at another footballer. Won't someone think of the children?
Should I maybe have said nothing, until I "earned the right" to express an opinion?
feck me. This is such a non-event. Absurd issue to get worked up about. Footballer shouts at another footballer. Won't someone think of the children?
He's made the 5th highest amount of starts for us this season, he's not third choice. Hernandez and Rooney are in good form now just like Berbatov and Rooney were in good form before, and I'd be surprised if Chicharito starts more games than him next season.
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