Argument a lot of people that don't want to see Berba playing is when Chicha comes on for him is that we look a lot more of a threat with him on but, then same as you said, tactics and people playing better overall could be the reason as well.
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Argument a lot of people that don't want to see Berba playing is when Chicha comes on for him is that we look a lot more of a threat with him on but, then same as you said, tactics and people playing better overall could be the reason as well.
I think that it was a strange transfer in a way because our style under Ferguson has been pretty direct, fast paced and counter attacking. Berbatov likes to slow the play down and exchange first time passes. I think he would flourish in a team like Barcelona where there is more patience and lots of one touch passing, this is where he excels.
People tend to underrate Berbatov but his all round game is world class, he'd be much more useful in the build up play than David Villa (although Villa is obviously a better goalscorer). He would have to adjust to Barca's pressing from the front style but with the ball he would not look out of place at all.
That is because Zlatan is lazy compared to a Berbatov. Berbatov really works harder than most care to admit.
He may be plungind a needle in his Berba dummy and cuddling his Tevez doll
I agree, I also think he would do very well if he was playing for the current Barca team. But thank feck, he is playing for United. I sure am glad for this.
I assume you mean I, wee Sean?
I rarely post outside work hours which is usually +11 hours GMT, I don't post on weekends hardly as I actually have a life.
As for Berbatov's goal it was pleasing to see him get on the end of it, but the goal was made by Nani, he did the same a few mins earlier. Berb was there to follow it up as a good striker does, but apart from that I don't really see if it wasnt Hernandez or Owen they wouldn't have knocked it in? As it was, it was Berb and he scored but it was hardly a world class goal, was it?
You're pathetic when it comes to Berbatov, Johnno. 21 goals this season.
1st in 8 games Elvis, if he scores at Arsenal and Chelsea then I'll turn round and hold me hands up.
That's if he even fecking plays that is...
No, you won't.
What about a hat-trick versus Liverpool? 5 v Blackburn? 2 crucial goals v Blackpool?
Pointless arguing with you on this. You can point to it being his first goal in 8 but every top striker in the league this season has had barren spells like that (Drogba for example has only scored 5 since October, 2 of them penalties)
390 minutes without a goal. Hardly such a terrible goal drought, it's basically four full games without a goal.
I stand by this (yes, I quoted myself! I felt it needed doing)
No point arguing with Johnno about Berbatov. Not even being top scorer in the league is good enough. Nothing is good enough. He made up his mind ages ago and no evidence to the contrary is changing that.
Yes I will, I gave him plenty of due credit and praise earlier in the season and rightly so, and yet I also commented with 'let's hope he can maintain it' or words to that effect which I don't think he has done until Saturday, in fact he was dropped for a few big games (as per the last three seasons with us) at the most important stage, and let's get it right, if it wasn't for Wes Brown coming off, would he have had a full second half? Owen was coming on too until Evans got sent off.
I'll give Berbatov credit but I'm never going to carried away over a goal like that when he was pretty ordinary for the rest of the game, most of the United players were, I personally think we should thank Nani for the goal...
EIGHT games bro, eight.
Oh god you've really hit rock bottom with your debating skills now haven't you?Only one person that fish smell is coming from and it isn't the person who lives on the other side of the world to you (me).
Equivalent of 4 1/3 games isn't it.
TOP scorer in the PL bro, top.
So pitch time doesn't count? You're desperate.
I can throw some stats in very easily and prove my point too fella, wanna get it on?
Only one person that fish smell is coming from and it isn't the person who lives on the other side of the world to you (me).
Do one you lite e-stalker, go get your own opinions.
What are you on about? It was hardly a bit of random stats, it was a qualification of your talk about the "eight games".
I said he hasn't scored in EIGHT games, that's a fact.
I'm asking you if you like to discuss stats so much, shall we discuss his goal-game ratio?
Because it's very interesting if you minus the five goals in one game, it gives you a pretty worrying indication of his indifference...
Facht: If we remove five goals, he'll have scored less.
Why is it that "eight games without a goal" is a fact, while "390 minutes without a goal" is stats?
Why is it that "eight games without a goal" is a fact, while "390 minutes without a goal" is stats?
Not only that, but those several goals in the one game do vastly boost his paper-form; of course, you might say people like Shearer were good for eleven penalties a season which boost their figures, they probably did but he still scored them, you can't take goals away from someone, but were we to delve into his goals of which 11 were in just three games, with another four in two games giving him 15 goals in 3 games, there are then 29 games in which he scored 6 goals - that's a big drop, and consider the fact he went nine games earlier in the season without a goal and then eight this run, his goal-getting has been highly sporadic and in flurries.
Yes he's been very good in these periods the goals have been scoring in but then again he's been just as disappointing in the games he hasn't; that's all I've been saying for ages.
I've heard 'what about Rooney?' - yeah, he's been terribly disappointing this year but he's started to play well again recently with goals, but Rooney contributes a LOT more than Berbatov as they're different sorts of strikers and Rooney is far more influential in the big games.
Why do you always say I haven't got my own opinions? I've got plenty thank you, and often they're different to a lot of people's on here. For one, the way I think player's wages are obscene and they shouldn't get anywhere near the level they get, a lot of people disagree with me about that.
I don't just go with whatever the majority think, but in this case I'm with the majority when I say Berbatov's having a very good season, is a main reason we're at the top of the table and that you're totally incapable of adjusting your view of Berbatov being poor no matter how much evidence is provided to the contrary. You don't need to be following the crowd to agree with all of that, you only need some sense. It's blatantly obvious.
It's only obvious to you little FIFA 2011 Playstation dweebs, he's had some very good games of course but hasn't had a good season overall, he's been poor in several games and I'll give credit where credit's due, his goal was hardly goal of the season, was it?
Why are the wages obscene?
I don't play FIFA or Playstation, not my thing at all.
The top scorer in the PL hasn't had a good season? Hmm. OK.
It doesn't matter if it was goal of the season or not, it doesn't matter what the goal was like, what matters is the importance of it. Arsenal drew, we were down to 10 men, we were level and desperately needed to win to gain points on Arsenal. That goal gave us the 3 points when our main rivals dropped points and could have a big say in the title race by the end of the season. It was massive for us, and Berba's goals are probably the main (not the only, the main) reason we're top of the table. Give him some credit for how much he's aided the team this season.
Has he been consistent all year, yes or no?
Just like whoever wins the league over the season, it is the one that is most consistent over the season. Could be over a period they aren't that great but, overall consistent. Berba if he ends up over the season, the league's top scorer will be the same because it isn't out of pure luck that a player ends up top scorer in the league over the course of 38 games but, because they've been consistent over the season.
Berba has also played well, some might say a lot better than in the previous two seasons, showing more work rate and at a time when we had Rooney out and Chicha still bedding in, carried the striker load, so thank goodness for Berba this season.
Berba has also played well, some might say a lot better than in the previous two seasons, showing more work rate and at a time when we had Rooney out and Chicha still bedding in, carried the striker load, so thank goodness for Berba this season.
Well if you want to talk scoring stats...
For league games (don't have the stats for all comps), all players who've scored 10+ in total:
Even if you pretend the Blackburn game didn't happen, which is -5 from his goals total, -90 from his minutes total and -1 from his appearances total, as well as 7 and 6 off his shots/shots on target totals, his stats put him in the top 3 in the league in most categories. If you take every other players best scoring game and eliminate that from the stats, I'd imagine he may even go top again.
Johnno just got owned!
Well if you want to talk scoring stats...
For league games (don't have the stats for all comps), all players who've scored 10+ in total:
Even if you pretend the Blackburn game didn't happen, which is -5 from his goals total, -90 from his minutes total and -1 from his appearances total, as well as 7 and 6 off his shots/shots on target totals, his stats put him in the top 3 in the league in most categories. If you take every other players best scoring game and eliminate that from the stats, I'd imagine he may even go top again.
Where are you getting these figures from mate, not that I don't believe you as I do but I'd like to punch in the figures with him where he's not scored, taking away the 15 goals in five games I mentioned earlier and that shows his productivity is WELL below.
Let's put it this way, for my staff, I use a tool called Workware to measure my staff's performance.
Increase Productivity through Active Operations Management
Ultimately, the average of what they get is how we measure whether they get a bonus or not but we also have to consider performance for the whole period.
They need to get above 100 to qualify, then if they get 110, they get more, 120 even more and so on.
If they have 78 for April and then suddenly get 125 in May, we see that as a spike in productivity which would average at 101.5 for the two months meaning they've qualified as an average but only just, despite having a great May, they had a poor April.
This is the same with Berbatov, he's being remembered for May when his April form was poor.
So you're saying he hasn't been below par for sustained periods in Oct-Dec or Jan-March?
You can go get your shinebox, too...
He's been through a few dips yes, but overall, mainly, he's been good. You make far too big a deal about those games he wasn't at his best in, and exaggerate them. It wasn't as long as you say. No footballer in the world is good in every game anyway.
Lets look at the big picture - poor in some games, but good in most. Why look at the few games he was poor and not look at the many he was good in? It's like you purposely count every single game he doesn't score in but totally forget and ignore the games he plays well in and scores.
He's the top scorer in the Premier League.
I got them from the members area of this site: Fantasy Football Tips, News and Views from Fantasy Football Scout
It's £10 to subscribe to the members area (better value at the start of the season than it is now), but the stats are from Opta. PM me if you want to see the bare data.
I understand what you're saying about form being even or a bit lumpy, and perhaps Berbatov's form has been a bit lumpier than some others, but I don't think there's really so much in it. Remember Tevez has also scored a significant portion of his goals in groups (5 braces, 1 hat trick). Also bear in mind that Berbatov has scored in 10 distinct league games and Tevez has scored in 11, no big difference there. Berbatov has had one appearance extra, but Tevez has had on average 13 minutes extra per appearance to score. I really don't think the 'lumpiness' in Berbatov's scoring is as significant as you make out.
It's £10 to subscribe to the members area (better value at the start of the season than it is now), but the stats are from Opta. PM me if you want to see the bare data.
I understand what you're saying about form being even or a bit lumpy, and perhaps Berbatov's form has been a bit lumpier than some others, but I don't think there's really so much in it. Remember Tevez has also scored a significant portion of his goals in groups (5 braces, 1 hat trick). Also bear in mind that Berbatov has scored in 10 distinct league games and Tevez has scored in 11, no big difference there. Berbatov has had one appearance extra, but Tevez has had on average 13 minutes extra per appearance to score. I really don't think the 'lumpiness' in Berbatov's scoring is as significant as you make out.
I'm not bothered about what Tevez does for City, I'm not comparing him and Berbatov although I'm sure based on my views on Tevez, most will assume I am but you'll see I haven't raised anything about Tevez at all.
If we're going to discuss him, it's interesting he's second league scorer with 18 or 19 and the next is way off, eleven goals.
This truly is a bizarre season in terms of the lack of goals Torres, Drogba and Rooney have gotten, normally you'd find one of these would well be in their twenties by now and even see a player from a small club up on 15-20 by now having scored the majority of their team's goals, but that's not happened either.
And as I said when I joined this chat TODAY, I'm glad he scored and I'm thrilled we got a late winner, I don't really care who scores for us and I hope this means another goal-run to come from Berbatov which would be great at this time of the year but I stand by the fact his form has been roller-coastered all year and that a tap-in against Bolton doesn't renege the fact he hasn't produced the last 7 or 8 games, it just means he scored in this one.
Why would any United fan want to take 5 goals off Berbatov just to try and make him look bad? It's absolutely pathetic. No one tried to take Rooney's 4 goals against Hull off him last season. At the end of the day, these goals won us the match, how dare they score more and make the match a formality? They shouldn't be discounted at all.
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