Dimitar Berbatov | 2010/11 Performances
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I love having Berbatov in this team, by the way. Sir Alex talks a lot of bollocks in the press for many reasons.
I agree. Same thing about Anderson
Berbatov can be to this group of youngsters what Cantona was to the fledglings.
Their personalities are completely different. Completely.
I love Berbatov as a player, some of the shit he can do with a football is just sublime at times, just need to see it on a more consistent basis.
He looks like a player that wants to prove a point this year though, and he looks fitter too, hopefully that niggling injury he had is all cleared up now (did it get operated on in the end?) that can only be good for the team.
He looks like a player that wants to prove a point this year though, and he looks fitter too, hopefully that niggling injury he had is all cleared up now (did it get operated on in the end?) that can only be good for the team.
i bet Mike Phelan wasn't talking about Berbatov after the Blackburn game. no sir, no
and besides what is Fergie supposed to say? "i hate that lousy Bulgarian misfiring cnut? he want;s to big his player up and inject some confidence in the player. simple man-management.
"People keep seeing him on this tour and people still keep saying he is going," said Ferguson. "Unless he is going to be whisked from right under my nose they are wrong.
"Seba is a marvellous player. He has wonderful imagination, he always wants the ball and has a great engine. He was outstanding tonight."
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Guess what happened the next day...
Not that I don't think Berbatov is a terrific player. So was Veron, but what Fergie said and Fergie thinks are two different matters. He could be thinking, 'I'm delighted with that performance... It improves my chances of selling him for decent money'.
Nopes!!! play 4-2-3-1 . . . the days of 4-4-2 against good opposition are long gone
Even Spain chose otherwise when it mattered, despite having two centerpieces upfront albeit Torres wasnt in form
Anderson can't play in 2 man midfield. And i'm a fan of him.
Carrick, Fletcher, Gibson, Scholes and Giggs are the usual 2 man midfield players.
Oh his day he could dominate the match as good as Zindane or Cantona does - and not many current players can do that. But the problem is, when things start getting tough, he simply disappears.
What's the difference between 4-4-2, 4-2-3-1 and 4-5-1? You just have a forward capable of dropping deep and win the ball and two midfielders capable of winning the ball. We currently have Rooney like that and if Diouf/Berba can do the same with a good level of efficiency then we can do well with it. Regarding the second argument, both Anderson and Carrick are hardworking enough to help Fletcher in that role.
Definitely.
Against the lower half of the table teams this -
----------------------------VDS-------------------------
Rafael-------------Vidic-----------Evans-----------Evra
Valencia----------Fletcher-------Scholes----------Nani
--------------Berba/Javier--------Wayne---------------
Against upper half league opposition/Europe this -
------------------------------VDS--------------------------
Rafael--------------Vidic--------------Evans-----------Evra
--------Fletcher----------------------------Anderson---------
Valencia--------------------Scholes--------------------Nani
-----------------------------Rooney--------------------------
Or this -
------------------------------VDS--------------------------
Rafael--------------Vidic--------------Evans-----------Evra
Fletcher--------------------Scholes----------------Anderson
Valencia-------------------Rooney----------------------Nani
And they struggled when they shouldnt have. They wouldnt have struggled if they had at least one wide player at all times. And I dont mean Ramos.
Bayern played a version of 442 and got to the champions league final (4-4-1-1). Germany played the same system and got to the world cup semi finals and were just about everyone's favourite team to watch in the tournament. It can be done, and successfully, if you fill the team with the right players in the right positions.
So he's staying then.Oh well.
I must have slept through that day
I hope he stays. Very good player, technique is up there with the best and a joy to watch.
what? i can't stand him, i hate watching a United game when he's involved. not my cup of tea. i prefer more direct strikers.
So you hated these games last season?
Birmingham 1-0
Wigan 5-0
Spurs 3-1
Man City 4-3
Stoke 2-0
Sunderland 2-2
Bolton 2-1
Liverpool 1-2
Blackburn 2-0
Wolves 3-0
Hull 3-1
Wigan 5-0
Burnley 3-0
Portsmouth 5-0
Everton 1-3
West Ham 3-0
Wolves 1-0
Fulham 3-0
bolton 4-0
Chelsea 1-2
Blackburn 0-0
Spurs 3-1
Sunderland 1-0
Stoke 4-0
You honestly hated watching all those games? You didn't enjoy 24 of our 38 Premier League games? Or are you just spouting bollocks again?
That's probably because you're a bit mentally challenged and don't watch football the right way.
Summer holidays...feckin hell..
Yeah I agree, though I do think if Carrick finds his form again we could go 4-4-2 in the bigger games, I think the only reason we're not at the moment is because we're lacking in central midfield. One of Fergie's biggest mistakes last season was using Scholes and Carrick in the middle against Liverpool at Anfield.
At the minute I have no problems with the 433/451 system we use in the bigger games, and unfortunately when we do that Berbatov has to be sacrificed. It doesn't mean he's a bad player or that Fergie has no faith in him, it's just the way it is. And you're right in saying he'll be public enemy number 1 again, I still can't quite believe how he got so much blame after our exit to Bayern Munich. It baffles me.
But he's had a very good first game and last season he had a good season up until the Rooney injury for me. I hope he stays and I hope he proves all these doubters wrong. I think we can all agree it's his make or break season though.
You do realize that players influence the flow of the game and with others players on the pitch things would've gone differently.
no, i don't like the way Berbatov plays and i often wonder how things would change if we had a proper striker- not the one who jogs around the halfline or needs 30 seconds to release a pass.
as much i enjoy watching United as much i think that the whole show is spoiled by that one player who simply doesn't fit to this team. What i can't stand the most is when he holds the ball for no reason whatsoever instead of passing it.
I've been watching United since mid 90's and in all these years there were actually only few player who were pissing me off when on pitch: Fortune, Djembax2, Blanc but none of them came even close to Berbatov.
Luckily last season he showed some glimpses of what a real striker is supposed to do. and i'm not taking about fancy twist and turns, sexy first touch and that.
so here is hoping that he either doesn't play much next season or he alters his approach and uses his technique in the right way. If not he can take his tricks to Harlem GlobeTrotters for all what i care.
Berbatov is a very frustrating player to watch, downright annoying at times
in a nutshell
24 starts and 9 subs so 33 games!
I think we will be playing 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 or 4-5-1 or some combination of that most likely in our major games.
Actually in the EPL Berba started 24 games of which only against Wolves did he play the loan striker? As against Blackburn we played 4-4-2 with Berba and Macheda.
Berba also missed 4 games. I think contrary to wha many think we will be playing 4-4-2 in about 30 league games this season and Berba providing he has no injuries will be starting all of those.
More than that, due to Rooney and Owen's injuries. Everton (1-3), Wolves (1-0), Bolton (4-0), Tottenham (3-1). Although we might've played a 4-4-1-1 some of those with Giggs behind Berbatov.
With our overstocked arsenal of strikers, and amount of old, injured and out-of-form central midfielders, that sounds likely. 4-5-1 against big four (six games) and away to the rest of top eight (four games) implies 4-5-1 in seven games.
He played with Rooney against Everton. He played up top on his own v Wolves, Bolton and Spurs (Though we did switch to a 4-4-2 when Spurs equalised). He also played up top on his own v Chelsea for most of the game.
He certainly did. I've no idea what happened with my brain there.
Actually how many times did we play with 2 forwards in the EPL? I suspect about 30 plus times?
If Rooney and Berba are fit for all the EPL games I think we would start both in all but the away games at Arsenal. Liverpool, Chelsea, Man City
If Rooney and Berba are fit for all the EPL games I think we would start both in all but the away games at Arsenal. Liverpool, Chelsea, Man City
We started with two forwards 25 times in 09/10.
Thanks for that.
Most teams just play a set formation like Chelsea, Pool, Barca no matter what the match whilst we are more fluid.
I was reading Jonathan Wilson on the Guardian about Germany and he said though they scored lots of goals they were essentially a defensive unit. When they scored the first goal early teams would push forward too much leaving Germany to hit them on quick counters which they excelled. Yet when the other team scored early they did not have the game plan or setup to deal with that.
It's why I think susbcribing to any one way of playing can be dangerous and perhaps SAF has realised that and changes things around?
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