Dimitar Berbatov | 2010/11 Performances

[Ole's_toe_poke]

Calm down children.

 

[VoetbalWizard]

there is no chance we ship him off this summer unless he acts a twat. One year left on his contract, we'd get nothing for him.

 

[Feeky Magee]

Firstly, your reponses are all over the show so sort your quote buttons out, child.

He hasn't been better than Nani overall, he hasn't been better than Vidic overall - you're saying you're vindicated because of ratings people on the Caf have given? Oh aye yeah, I really trust the ratings by the likes of Boothy and MG for Berbatov, you lot give him a 7 just for kicking off!

I do think there's plenty of others in the United squad who've had a poor season, but I haven't said anywhere I think Berbatov has had a poor season, have I? I think overall, Rooney has been poor but the fact is he's playing extremely well at the moment as is Hernandez whereas Berbatov isn't. I have in fact said Berbatov has been excellent in several matches but poor in others and therefore that cannot constitute an excellent season overall, but you clearly do.

Firstly, they're not. I responded to each of the little sections you had inside in your quote as is sometimes the tradition on the caf when someone has made a post with several subsections to address. I even bolded them so your little brain could decipher them, apparently not.

Second of all, and this is well into the double figures the amount of times you've been told this and still don't seem or want to comprehend, Top and phelans' site is taken from the MotM thread, not, NOT, the ratings thread. This is significant for a few reasons. First of all, the MotM thread only allows for your top 3 selections from the team. Therefore, if you get a fair few votes in a match it means you clearly fecking stood out. Second of all, a lot more people post in that than the ratings thread, allowing less room for statistical manipulation by fanbois. Thirdly, if you look through each version you'll see by and large the same 3-5 players pop up time and again. This means that it's clearly not affected by aforementioned fanbois. All in all, it's a damn good system to assess how a player played, and one I trust infinitely more than your foggy and agenda-driven memory.

Lastly, name all these poor matches he's had. I can think of about 6 in total. Although I may be pissing against the wind here - I remember you saying he was shite between his 5 against Blackburn and his hat-trick against Birmingham - a period in which he played 7 matches, scored 3 goals, was MotM in 2 of those matches, had a few decent games (including the aforementioned cup game against Liverpool) and then 2 ineffective games (WBA and Spurs away if I recall - the latter where he was horribly isolated, even Rooney who dropped deep didn't get on it much, and when he did he was awful). Apparently that's a shite run, so you'll forgive me for being dubious as to how you analyse Berbatov's performances.

 

[Treble]

I just think of the times when there have been rumours about clubs like Real Madrid sniffing around our best players.

Imagine a club sniffing around Giggs and Scholes back in the day? Beckham. Ronaldo. Evra. Vidic. Rooney. Nani. We tend to get a bit pissed off about it because we don't want to lose these guys.

If a rumour came out that Real Madrid were interested in Berba, I just don't think there would be this "Oh noes!" kind of reaction from most fans. I suspect it would largely be, "How much are they offering? £25million!? Rip their fecking hand off!"

Had Fergie done what fans wanted, Berbatov and Nani would have been sold long ago. The first is the top scorer in the league, the first United player to score a hat-trick against Liverpool since 1946 and potentially the first United player to score four hat-tricks in one PL season. The second is the top assistant in the league and a favourite for the POTY award. So much for fans and their opinions...

BTW, would you write the same thing if our rivals in the EPL came for Berbatov? Would United fans be happy to sell Berbatov to Chelsea, Arsenal, City and Liverpool? I don't think many United fans would like to see Torres and Berbatov play for one of our rivals.

Instead of being happy that we have three top strikers with different qualities, we use the good performances of one or two of them as a stick to beat the thrid striker with. Well done...

 

[Feeky Magee]

Had Fergie done what fans wanted, Berbatov and Nani would have been sold long ago. The first is the top scorer in the league, the first United player to score a hat-trick against Liverpool since 1946 and potentially the first United player to score four hat-tricks in one PL season. The second is the top assistant in the league and a favourite for the POTY award. So much for fans and their opinions...

BTW, would you write the same thing if our rivals in the EPL came for Berbatov? Would United fans be happy to sell Berbatov to Chelsea, Arsenal, City and Liverpool? I don't think many United fans would like to see Torres and Berbatov play for one of our rivals.

Instead of being happy that we have three top strikers with different qualities, we use the good performances of one or two of them as a stick to beat the third striker with. Well done...

Indeed. It's quite bizarre. Like I said before I think it's a case of people not being prepared to let their arguments go. They developed their mindset early: he was lazy, not the right player for United and didn't score enough, and they'll be damned if what actually happens nowadays on the big green thing will change their mind.

 

[Carl]

The piss poor management I refer to was not about team selection but the manager laughing about a player behind his back.

You have no idea what their relationship is like. Fergie might joke about that sort of thing with him face to face too.

 

[sammsky1]

Had Fergie done what fans wanted, Berbatov and Nani would have been sold long ago. The first is the top scorer in the league, the first United player to score a hat-trick against Liverpool since 1946 and potentially the first United player to score four hat-tricks in one PL season. The second is the top assistant in the league and a favourite for the POTY award. So much for fans and their opinions...

BTW, would you write the same thing if our rivals in the EPL came for Berbatov? Would United fans be happy to sell Berbatov to Chelsea, Arsenal, City and Liverpool? I don't think many United fans would like to see Torres and Berbatov play for one of our rivals.

Instead of being happy that we have three top strikers with different qualities, we use the good performances of one or two of them as a stick to beat the thrid striker with. Well done...

Thats a perfect summation of the anti Berbatov brigade who surreptitiously find a way to voice their flawed opinion at every possible opportunity. Really, with 'fans' like that, who needs scousers?

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Thats a perfect summation of the anti Berbatov brigade who surreptitiously find a way to voice their flawed opinion at every possible opportunity. Really, with 'fans' like that, who needs scousers?

Amen

 

[Scoreboard Red]

Thats a perfect summation of the anti Berbatov brigade who surreptitiously find a way to voice their flawed opinion at every possible opportunity. Really, with 'fans' like that, who needs scousers?

Yeah but Sam, two of them are in form and are playing in the recent games, linking up well and scoring and also trusted to be played in the big domestic games and the Champions League matches.
The other isn't...

 

[Treble]

Yeah but Sam, two of them are in form and are playing in the recent games, linking up well and scoring and also trusted to be played in the big domestic games and the Champions League matches.
The other isn't...

Is there a bigger domestic game than Liverpool? Didn't Berbatov start in all games vs Liverpool this season? Didn't he start both games vs Valencia and in the away fixture vs Marseille?

Currently Hernandez and Rooney may be in better form, this doesn't imply that it will remain so forever. Every striker goes through dire periods, including Tevez (who hasn't scored for 6 weeks despite being picked all the time), Torres, Drogba and our very own Rooney.

 

[Rado_N]

Can he play CB?

 

[Feed Me]

Can he play CB?

Footballing centre half.

 

[Feed Me]

Is there a bigger domestic game than Liverpool? Didn't Berbatov start in all games vs Liverpool this season? Didn't he start both games vs Valencia and in the away fixture vs Marseille?

Currently Hernandez and Rooney may be in better form, this doesn't imply that it will remain so forever. Every striker goes through dire periods, including Tevez (who hasn't scored for 6 weeks despite being picked all the time), Torres, Drogba and our very own Rooney.

Berbatov isn't going through a dire period at all.

 

[Treble]

Berbatov isn't going through a dire period at all.

Agreed. The point was that even if he was going through such a period, he still wouldn't deserve the dross in that thread.

 

[Scoreboard Red]

Is there a bigger domestic game than Liverpool? Didn't Berbatov start in all games vs Liverpool this season? Didn't he start both games vs Valencia and in the away fixture vs Marseille?

Currently Hernandez and Rooney may be in better form, this doesn't imply that it will remain so forever. Every striker goes through dire periods, including Tevez (who hasn't scored for 6 weeks despite being picked all the time), Torres, Drogba and our very own Rooney.

In all honesty, were Liverpool challenging? Have they challenged consistently since 1990? They are our more emotional, passionate big game but then so are City and they've been shit for decades.
Our big games, the most important, are against Arsenal and Chelsea, and have been for some time, end of.
And Rooney is a far more talented ootballer than either Berbatov, Hernandez, Tevez as well; his form was extremely temporary to the extent where you suspected someone would cop it sooner or later - his form at United since arriving has been pretty much very consistent, Berbatov has been remarkably inconsistent in his three seasons and each of the three seasons, has been relegated to the bench at this point of the year.

 

[Scoreboard Red]

Berbatov isn't going through a dire period at all.

Agreed. The point was that even if he was going through such a period, he still wouldn't deserve the dross in that thread.

I don't think he's been dire either for the record, but we're better with other players in the team especially against the bigger teams.

 

[Feed Me]

In all honesty, were Liverpool challenging? Have they challenged consistently since 1990? They are our more emotional, passionate big game but then so are City and they've been shit for decades.
Our big games, the most important, are against Arsenal and Chelsea, and have been for some time, end of.
And Rooney is a far more talented ootballer than either Berbatov, Hernandez, Tevez as well; his form was extremely temporary to the extent where you suspected someone would cop it sooner or later - his form at United since arriving has been pretty much very consistent, Berbatov has been remarkably inconsistent in his three seasons and each of the three seasons, has been relegated to the bench at this point of the year.

Rooney has been anything but consistent in his time at United. Hit and miss, I'd say.

 

[Treble]

In all honesty, were Liverpool challenging? Have they challenged consistently since 1990? They are our more emotional, passionate big game but then so are City and they've been shit for decades.
Our big games, the most important, are against Arsenal and Chelsea, and have been for some time, end of.
And Rooney is a far more talented ootballer than either Berbatov, Hernandez, Tevez as well; his form was extremely temporary to the extent where you suspected someone would cop it sooner or later - his form at United since arriving has been pretty much very consistent, Berbatov has been remarkably inconsistent in his three seasons and each of the three seasons, has been relegated to the bench at this point of the year.

So, Liverpool isn't a big game?

There is little point in arguing with you.

 

[Scoreboard Red]

Rooney has been anything but consistent in his time at United. Hit and miss, I'd say.

feck off you Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime, ha ha ha!
140 goals (to date) in seven seasons averages 20 goals a year, some amazing moments and easily one of the best Premiership footballers since it's inception, I don't mind having a disagreement about certain views but I honestly cannot take you seriously saying shit like that mate...

 

[Scoreboard Red]

So, Liverpool isn't a big game?

There is little point in arguing with you.

Course it's a big game, to the supporters and tradition; in terms of title importance, it has hardly meant anything whereas the top of the table clashes are Arsenal, Chelsea....
Liverpool is the game I look forward to each year too, but they're a feck all team in terms of achievement these days, Spurs and City are above them.

 

[apotheosis]

feck off you Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime, ha ha ha!
140 goals (to date) in seven seasons averages 20 goals a year, some amazing moments and easily one of the best Premiership footballers since it's inception, I don't mind having a disagreement about certain views but I honestly cannot take you seriously saying shit like that mate...

I agree, especially considering last season was the only season where the system has been set up specifically for him to score goals.

He has been consistently passed from pillar to post, to accommodate other players. I have always thought Rooney was a second striker and i still believe that to be the case. Since his season with Saha, this is the first time since then he has been regularly employed in his favoured position.

However he has been employed he has been consistently one of our better players throughout his time here, regularly weighing in with goals and assists despite conditions not always being particularly conducive for him to do so.

However we try and slice it Berbatov has has only one good season, and even then his form and goals are still insufficient in the eyes of the manager to ensure he takes part in the biggest games at the business end of the season. That is not anti Berbatov slander, that is a fact.

 

[Treble]

In the last seasons, our record against Liverpool is way worse than our record vs Arsenal. In the last 6 games in the league, we won only 2 and lost 4.

Rooney has scored only 2 goals vs Liverpool from 17 league starts, don't have his stats against Arsenal, but he plays much better against Arsenal than vs Liverpool.

So, no, Liverpool isn't an easier game than Arsenal.

 

[Scoreboard Red]

In the last seasons, our record against Liverpool is way worse than our record vs Arsenal. In the last 6 games in the league, we won only 2 and lost 4.

Rooney has scored only 2 goals vs Liverpool from 17 league starts, don't have his stats against Arsenal, but he plays much better against Arsenal than vs Liverpool.

So, no, Liverpool isn't an easier game than Arsenal.

You're a clown mate; over the course of Rooney's tenure AND the last twenty years we've had the better share of the spoils between us and Liverpool, they've beaten us, what, seven or eight times of 35-40 games? Rooney has scored against Liverpool, City, Chelsea, Arsenal and in Europe - when has Berbatov ever scored in a top of the table clash or in a European or FA Cup game when it matters?

 

[Treble]

You're a clown mate; over the course of Rooney's tenure AND the last twenty years we've had the better share of the spoils between us and Liverpool, they've beaten us, what, seven or eight times of 35-40 games? Rooney has scored against Liverpool, City, Chelsea, Arsenal and in Europe - when has Berbatov ever scored in a top of the table clash or in a European or FA Cup game when it matters?

the irony...

You are very ignorant, Johnno, Berbatov has scored in big games for Leverkusen, Spurs and United as well.

Against

Chelsea - 5 goals (PL; FA; CC, CS)
Liverpool - 4 goals (PL, CL)
Madrid - 2 goals (CL)
United - 2 goals (PL; CL)
Arsenal - 2 goals (PL; CC)
Barcelona (CL)

It's not that he has scored only vs Blackburn and Birmingham.

As I wrote earlier but deleted it out of respect for you as a person (not a poster), it was a mistake to reply to your posts and I won't repeat it in the future.

 

[Scoreboard Red]

the irony...

You are very ignorant, Johnno, Berbatov has scored in big games for Leverkusen, Spurs and United as well.

Against

Chelsea - 5 goals (PL; FA; CC, CS)
Liverpool - 4 goals (PL, CL)
Madrid - 2 goals (CL)
United - 2 goals (PL; CL)
Arsenal - 2 goals (PL; CC)
Barcelona (CL)

It's not that he has scored only vs Blackburn and Birmingham.

As I wrote earlier but deleted it out of respect for you as a person (not a poster), it was a mistake to reply to your posts and I won't repeat it in the future.

Are you fecking daft?
I do not give a monkey's wank what he did for Leverkusen or for Spurs; I only care about what he does for United and these stats therefore mean feck all to me as a United fan, although they clearly do to you as a Berbatov fan.
Do yourself a favour kid, don't reply because you're making yourself look a fecking tool - at least the likes of Pogue, Mockney, Feeky etc put up a good argument, you're giving me the most stupid ripostes I've ever heard.

"He's great because he's scored seventeen years ago for a Bundesliga Club..."

Bell-end...

 

[Rood]

Johnno - What did Berba do to make you hate him so much?

 

[londonredmaniac]

Class player, kept us in it this season while Rooney was off the boil.

Great touch and vision.

If people still can't see that, then, meh no point in arguing.

 

[Scoreboard Red]

Johnno - What did Berba do to make you hate him so much?

Rood, it's a big thread so I'll forgive you for that but I've said plenty of times here and elsewhere at various points I don't hate him, I want him to do well, why on earth would I hate any United player? I want him to do well but I've said from the start I'm not sure what he brings and we play better without him with our natural shape, something several of our squad were accustomed to well before Berbatov's arrival, which was fast fluid football.

 

[Rood]

Whenever I come in this thread, all I ever see is you slagging off Berba - you went a bit quiet earlier in the season but now that he has gone a few games without scoring you are back in force!

I just dont get it

 

[Scoreboard Red]

Class player, kept us in it this season while Rooney was off the boil.

Great touch and vision.

If people still can't see that, then, meh no point in arguing.

Great point, his goals earned points but would you rather him keep us in the season as in mooch along or have Rooney & Hernandez score goals and win us trophies?
Rooney is now on the boil as is Hernandez, Berb isn't bubbling one bit.
He's got great touch and vision, yes but he's not applying it in the business end of the season which we're now in - you could say he's not being given the chance which is very true but Ferguson clearly thinks, as per the previous two seasons, he's not to be trusted in these games.

 

[charleysurf]

Whenever I come in this thread, all I ever see is you slagging off Berba - you went a bit quiet earlier in the season but now that he has gone a few games without scoring you are back in force!

I just dont get it

He wanks off to pictures of Tevez. He's never forgiven Berbatov for Tevez leaving.

 

[Sunny Jim]

Rood, it's a big thread so I'll forgive you for that but I've said plenty of times here and elsewhere at various points I don't hate him, I want him to do well, why on earth would I hate any United player? I want him to do well but I've said from the start I'm not sure what he brings and we play better without him with our natural shape, something several of our squad were accustomed to well before Berbatov's arrival, which was fast fluid football.

This has been said many times before mate, tbh I'm just glad that in early days of this season he played further up on the pitch and stopped twating around Carrick or other deep-laid midfileders.

He was terrbile in his first season, better in his second and he has been good so far. Actaully, i felt quite ok with him being on the pitch.

again, I don't know why we got him in first place.

 

[Scoreboard Red]

Whenever I come in this thread, all I ever see is you slagging off Berba - you went a bit quiet earlier in the season but now that he has gone a few games without scoring you are back in force!

I just dont get it

More than a few though, innit mate and it's not exactly the first time he's gone games without playing well, scoring goals and ultimately DUMPED by the boss.
Is reality so hard to accept?
And trust me mate, I was vocal in praising Berbatov's form in Aug/Sep and I'm pretty sure I even did a thread on it saying he's proving me wrong but unfortunately I can only go back to October in my threads doing a search, I'm sure if you can be arsed please do a search and they'll be there somewhere mate, but it's 11.24pm and I'm off to bed soon pal.

He wanks off to pictures of Tevez. He's never forgiven Berbatov for Tevez leaving.

Only with a belt around my neck - the only thing I'm frustrated about is him arriving broke up a full functioning, successful partnership so it seemed unneccesary and that pisses me off, you can say it's not Berbatov's fault but of course he's the player who didn't perform the first two seasons he was here.
Tevez can go feck himself, he's well gone but the fact remains his replacement (of sorts) has been a lesser player than he was.

 

[Brwned]

Great point, his goals earned points but would you rather him keep us in the season as in mooch along or have Rooney & Hernandez score goals and win us trophies?
Rooney is now on the boil as is Hernandez, Berb isn't bubbling one bit.
He's got great touch and vision, yes but he's not applying it in the business end of the season which we're now in - you could say he's not being given the chance which is very true but Ferguson clearly thinks, as per the previous two seasons, he's not to be trusted in these games.

It's only a couple of games into the business end of the season and you're already criticising him for not showing up...even if he had played all of these games and was in poor form - which he's not - it'd still be hugely over-critical!

 

[londonredmaniac]

Great point, his goals earned points but would you rather him keep us in the season as in mooch along or have Rooney & Hernandez score goals and win us trophies?
Rooney is now on the boil as is Hernandez, Berb isn't bubbling one bit.
He's got great touch and vision, yes but he's not applying it in the business end of the season which we're now in - you could say he's not being given the chance which is very true but Ferguson clearly thinks, as per the previous two seasons, he's not to be trusted in these games.

I see your point in terms of Rooney and Hernandez, but this is why we have three or four quality players at the club idealy up top. Hernandez could go off the boil, Rooney was, also berbs offers another option to the way we play. I think he has to accept he's not automatic first choice...not sure anybody is. Berbs is going to be a massive player for us int he run in as is Rooney and Hernandez. He has that bit of craft to open things up and is just another option in a good forward line.

He needs a partner up top which will really scupper him in big games that Fergie wants to play 4-5-1 in...shame for Berbatov bu tif it works for the side then great.

 

[Scoreboard Red]

It's only a couple of games into the business end of the season and you're already criticising him for not showing up...even if he had played all of these games and was in poor form - which he's not - it'd still be hugely over-critical!

Do players having great seasons, as I keep hearing he's having, go seven games without scoring?
Do they go nine games without scoring?
Do they ave great games then get dropped for the games against Arsenal and Marseilles?

 

[Brwned]

Do players having great seasons, as I keep hearing he's having, go seven games without scoring?
Do they go nine games without scoring?
Do they ave great games then get dropped for the games against Arsenal and Marseilles?

Rooney scored 1 in 10 last season between September and November. Ronaldo scored 2 in 9 (or once in 9 games) just these past couple of months.

Ronaldo scored none in 5 in his 42-goal season. Messi scored none in 5 in his 45-goal season. Ruud scored none in 6 in his 44-goal season.

In other words, yes Johnno they do.

 

[Scoreboard Red]

Rooney scored 1 in 10 last season between September and November. Ronaldo scored 2 in 9 (or once in 9 games) just these past couple of months.

Ronaldo scored none in 5 in his 42-goal season. Messi scored none in 5 in his 45-goal season. Ruud scored none in 6 in his 44-goal season.

In other words, yes Johnno they do.

Now Brwned, could you look me in the eye and tell me that was the actual truth?
Could you, be honest...

My findings, very simple Google search, concludes he went between late September to 31 October of which there were FIVE games and a two week international break within that period, without a goal and that was his most barren spell.

2009

 

[Cold_Boy]

Rooney has been anything but consistent in his time at United. Hit and miss, I'd say.

What?

Well I agree Rooney has not been the player we all expected him to be at this stage.

But still he has been one of our best players ever since he has come here.(except for this season)

 

[Commadus]

In the last seasons, our record against Liverpool is way worse than our record vs Arsenal. In the last 6 games in the league, we won only 2 and lost 4.

Rooney has scored only 2 goals vs Liverpool from 17 league starts, don't have his stats against Arsenal, but he plays much better against Arsenal than vs Liverpool.

So, no, Liverpool isn't an easier game than Arsenal.

Thats twisting stats. Berba has started 4 games against Liverpool in the league and he has won 1 and lost 3.

Liverpool are game raising cnuts.