Yes, Berbatov is top with 19 and Hernandez is =5th with 10.
Dimitar Berbatov | 2010/11 Performances
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@DiscoMirror: Berbatov vaults a barrier in mixed zone to avoid press. Clearly couldn't wait to get home after warming bench. Don't blame him #MUFC
Good to see he's still on his toes. Vaulting a barrier is no easy feat
He'll get his chance.
Good to see he's still on his toes. Vaulting a barrier is no easy feat
He'll get his chance.To be fair Berbatov has only scored in like 5* games this season! He just happened to bang in a few goals in each of them!
(*Exaggeration, can't be arsed finding actual stat)
(*Exaggeration, can't be arsed finding actual stat)
To be fair, you might be grateful for every single one of those banged in goals if we win the PL on goal difference or goals scored. If things at the top stay as they are right now that's what it could quite well boil down to.
Double standards? It's football mate, not hand outs at primary school dinner time
We all know why Rooney's in the side, he's our best player. Even in poor form he's capable of sparking to life at a moments notice. Doesn't have to mean its an automatic selection, but its always going to weigh heavily in our favour
Berbatov has to suck it up, you can't look at that forward line tonight and say Fergie made a mistake, this is a belting partnership, and with Valencia too that's a fearsome triumvirate
Its really not the best timing for Berbatov though, as he'll have 1 year left on his contract in the summer. Losing his place in the team again is not going to put him in a strong negotiating position. Being content to play the squad game however, would. Unfortunately he looked quite unhappy today.
I feel sorry for Berbatov, but going by the performance on Hernandez, there's no doubt Fergie did the correct thing tonight.
I think it had more to do with Henry playing very average in comparison to his Arsenal days.
Yes, I appreciate all this but let's just look at it for a second.
"Hernandez has been in the better form of late" - the guy came from Mexico and joined us midway through our pre-season preps. By all normal reckoning, this season should have consisted of a few cameos and Carling Cup games for Hernandez while he sat in the stands watching the 30 year old Berbatov ply the trade at which he has become a master.
Personally, I don't think that Hernandez has been in brilliant form. He is just doing what Hernandez does. He did it for Chivas and, when given the chance, he does it for Mexico.
What we have at United now is a mixed group of attackers. Berbatov might be chosen for certain circumstances but I am tending to think that it will be Hernandez who will be given the nod with Berbatov coming on to try something different rather than the other way around.
At the end of the day, Hernandez is not far behind Berba in the goal-scoring now yet this is Hernandez' first season and this has been Berba's best season.
The argument against Berbatov becomes more compelling by the game.
I honestly hate to say it because I love Berba and I genuinely thought that he would provide that X-Factor against tricky opponents, that little bit of difference between 1-0 and 0-0 that means so much.
The facts suggest, however, that when things suit Berba, he will score a hat-trick. When they don't, he's as clueless as the next person as to how to break a defence down and when that was the reason you were bought for, it doesn't bode well.
I heard what Steve McLaren said after tonight's game and it made some sense. Rooney likes to play those though balls into runners like Hernandez whereas Berba will come to meet the ball. If Rooney has played the ball forward to Berba and Berba comes to meet it, where is it supposed to go after that? The two have basically just played themselves out of a goal-scoring chance and it is left to Berba to do something to start the attack all over again. Sometimes he pulls it off and sometimes he doesn't.
With Hernandez, the situation is similar but he basically says to Rooney, "play the ball beyond the defence and I will get onto it and shoot" - sometimes he pulls it off and sometimes he doesn't. However, when he pulls it off, it's a goal... not an assist.
As McLaren said tonight was a perfect example of a #9 and #10 playing together, Rooney and Berba is often two #10's playing together as both like to drop in deep.
Berba may not be overjoyed right now but he's 30 and if he left he would only go downwards, so I don't see any problems.
Berba may not be overjoyed right now but he's 30 and if he left he would only go downwards, so I don't see any problems.
You're being incredibly harsh on Berbatov there. In several games this season he's not scored but still played very well and been a vital part of a performance or result. Stoke (A), West Brom (A), Liverpool (H, FAC), city (A) and Rangers (A) spring to mind.
Not to forget Chelsea (CS), Newcastle (H), West Ham (H), Everton (A) and Birmingham (A) where he grabbed just the one goal, kind of upsetting your hat-trick theory. Handy 5 assists too.
Hernandez is a sensation, 16 goals in all comps for United in 1744 mins - a goal every 109 mins. 5 openers, 5 winners and 1 equaliser. 13 goals from 20 shots in the Prem and Champions League.
But let's not play down how good Berbatov's been because of that.
What utter bollocks.
Vidic has been sitting on his ass, VDS has been asleep etc..?
Hernandez has scored more winners.
Once you get your head out of Berba ass you will realise that SAF picks and chooses his strikers depending on the opposition not because it hurts their feelings.
Against packed defeneces and teams who sit back Berba is more suited.
https://www.redcafe.net/f6/its-horses-courses-berbatov-hernandez-322491/
Exactly.
Fergie knows what he is doing. Should he not implement his tactics because a player was in good form?
Its a team game ffs! Sir Alex knows we need pace in our team currently.
From another post in a different thread.
That vid - SAF obviously knows his man enough to know that Berba isn't sitting there sulking.
Remember when Berba started ahead of Tevez a lot of times and people felt sorry for Tevez, same here SAF knows what he is doing for the most part. I am a big fan of Berbatov and frankly I would have thought him and Chicha deserved a try but, Rooney has done well and that partnership is showing some real signs.
Up to SAF to manage his men but, Berba is an important players so hope he doesn't end up getting annoyed much like Tevez did.
Remember when Berba started ahead of Tevez a lot of times and people felt sorry for Tevez, same here SAF knows what he is doing for the most part. I am a big fan of Berbatov and frankly I would have thought him and Chicha deserved a try but, Rooney has done well and that partnership is showing some real signs.
Up to SAF to manage his men but, Berba is an important players so hope he doesn't end up getting annoyed much like Tevez did.
It's probably the angle.I think SAF realises it's incredibly unfair that he's on the bench.
So what was he pointing out to Phelan and laughing about?
Berba has to take the rough with the smooth sometimes you are in form and get dropped other times you are not in the best of form and dont give a good account of yourself.
Berba is a consumate enough professional to know this and I don't see him crying to the newspapers.
Do you remember the screen cap recently showing Obertan and Bebe looking disinterested in the game because all that we saw was a brief moment? We don't know what SAF was pointing and laughing at, okay I don', maybe you do.
I agree Berba is very professional and don't think he'll throw a moody like Teveth did but, still needs to be managed because confidence is a big part of any strikers game, professional or not.
Hey, I was looking at how many goals our strikers scored in the 1-0 wins a couple of seasons ago because I was sick of people saying how much Ronaldo had won us the title and I found that Tevez, Rooney and Berba had scored their fair share of winners in the 1-0 wins.
Berbatov is a very good player. He is a forward and so he should be expected to score goals.
The fact is that eleven of his goals this season came in three games. Two hat-tricks and five in one game. The rest were obviously spread amongst other games. And this is probably his best season since joining United.
I just look at Berbatov and wonder how much more there is to come. By rights we should have just enjoyed the peak years of his career. Can anyone, even Berbatov himself, put their hand on heart and say that we have just seen three years of a £30million striker at the height of his powers?
Cruel as it may seem, is it not time to accept that Berbatov is a luxury player who cannot always be relied upon to make a difference and go for someone else who is far more predictable as regards what they bring to the table?
If we get the the CL Final, we will have one chance at it and then it is gone for possibly years to come. Would you really put all your eggs in the Berbatov basket or would there be this little niggling doubt in the back of your mind about him?
That's largely where I'm coming from. He just doesn't "convince" me. He doesn't stride onto the pitch and have me thinking, "Well, here come goals!"
I do when other players come onto the pitch, though.
I'm fine with it. Team looks better, more fluid and attacking, with Hernandez than Berbatov. I obviously want him to score but I still think he's a round peg in a square hole.
Berbatov looked like he was in a sulk, thats clearly what SAF was pointing to. And I wonder if that would have affected the subs we made, had we not had to deal with so many injuries. If Berbatov is sitting there in a sulk, chances are you arent going to get the most from him if he comes on. Thats on top of his incredibly poor scoring rate coming off the bench
As much as I like Berba, last night the selection was well and truly justified.
Not a square peg in a round hole then ?
Berbatov a square peg? Are you mad?
Take it easy sweetheart.
I am saying, that when Rooney was playing poorly, he started ahead of Hernandez. It is not about Berba vs Hernandez. It is about playing the in form players, which clearly was not the case with Rooney at the beginning of the season
Now feck off and stay out of my way.
Whoosh !!
He and Phelan are the ones who know. Others should quit pretending that they do.
Spot on. I can't believe people are over analysing our current spate of good competition up front. Especially when last season we were desperate for it.
No. He slides in but just doesn't fit exactly right.
Berbatov has played a significant part in our season. He can rest, Hernandez is taking over now and he's not letting us down.
That's a bit embarassing for a shy guy like Berbatov, how quickly things change in football.
Proves absolutely nothing. Phelan looks away past Berbatov anyway.
What the hell is this trying to prove?
Berba is suited more to games when the build up is slow. Quick paced high energy games does not suit his style. He is a cross between an attacking midfielder and a conventional number 10. With United paying with two wingers Hernandez is better suited with his better movement and mobility in the penalty area.
Proves absolutely nothing. Phelan looks away past Berbatov anyway.
What the hell is this trying to prove?
Fergie's looking past him too.
That clip is ridiculous. It looks vaguely amusing because we can see the expression on Berbatov's face but all Fergie and Phelan would be able to see is the back/top of his head, which is hardly a cause for hilarity.
They're clearly laughing at something happening several yards in front of our subs bench.
Fergie's looking directly at him!!!
Relax Pogue, I don't think this means the end for Dimitar but come on, he's clearly looking at him and being above him to the left, he can clearly see his face and demeanour.
maybe he was laughing at his bald patch. Which is why Phelan didnt look as impressed as Fergie
I dont think there is anythign sinister involved seriously. But yes Fergie was certainly looking directly at Berbatov
I dont think there is anythign sinister involved seriously. But yes Fergie was certainly looking directly at Berbatov
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