I still don't trust Berbatov in large games, he seems to get disinterested and isn't ideal on the counter. Hernandez on the other hand offers pace, and his movement forces the oppositions defense to get streched, creating more space for himself and others.
Dimitar Berbatov | 2010/11 Performances
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Tevez is back??? get in!!!!
Aaaa you knew what I meant.
Sell Goggs, sign Berbatez
In fairness, the other strikers you cite there, we weren't playing one up front back in their day, the game has evolved on the tactical side that way. I still think if Berbatov had played better his first two years we'd have set out that way less
I'd have anyone capable of topping the scoring charts in a United shirt. Stewart was a bit of a one season wonder. Phillips could have done a good job for us in his day though!
Because Tevez is a worthless shitbag.
Seriously though I dont enjoy looking at a 30 million pound man warming the bench.
And media interviews he gives are by no means what he thinks behind closed doors. Surely he must be considering his next move (contract to be signed in the summer) very carefully.
Well again Brwned, you like others seemed surprised I keep the same opinion of him but more so seem shocked that I would have such an opinion in the first place.
It seems to me that in all honesty, say we sell Berbatov in the next year or two I am certain many would revert their opnions of Berbatov to similar ones of mine despite claiming at this point in time whilst he's still with us he's played good, he's been worth it etc.
Why do I think this? Because I have seen it happen with Veron, whose purchase and time at United have been achingly similar except for their time here.
I have also seen it with that other Argentine, the one who begins with the letter T and now plays for them lot down the frog and toad.
Veron was a foreign star bought for big money at a time when we had an all-conquering midfield of Giggs, Keane, Scholes and Beckham. It was said by Fergie he was needed for that extra dimension we lacked despite having won the CL, reaching the QF's and the SF's in the three seasons prior to his arrival. Despite some good performances, his languid style was seen as lazy by the press and our own fans and despite split opinion, he was sold and seen as a failure in his time here.
Tevez had an indifferent second season and was often dropped despite having a very good first season in which our frontline of him, Rooney and Ronaldo were the most exciting in Europe winning the league and European double.
Berbatov was then bought to add an extra dimension despite having won the double.
As Tevez's time neared an end, large sections of Old Trafford sang at the matches 'Fergie, sign him up' yet as soon as he left, he was booed (obviously because of his choice of new employer), which shows as a bit hypocritical on the United fans part and I know many on here now call him a vaginal C word and claim he's inferior even though they were extremely pro-Tevez at the time.
So as I say, if Berbatov were to leave, I know for a fact that half the people on here who claim he's been a good performer for us will pan him the day he leaves.
I understand where you are coming from, but Ferguson wants Berbatov here I think and I think next season we will see a lot more 4-4-2 with Rooney and Berbatov/Hernandez.
Did I do a funny?
Loyalty to the club should not be underestimated - Berbatov is a United player. He chose us when he could have been paid better elsewhere. Rooney took a lot more convincing and his loyalty had to be paid for!
Yes it is working well and Berbatov is as much a part of that as anyone else - we have 3 top strikers, all offering a different option and on this season's form, I dont see why Berba and Hernandez shouldnt be our first choice.
You dont think it is a good thing that he is not a cnut like Tevez? If players think they are bigger than the club then they can feck off as far as I am concerned.
This.
I've absolutely no doubt about that last comment being true, it's absolutely right. People are doing it about Tevez now I agree.
I'm not sure Veron ever had a season as strong as the season Berbatov's having, and I'm quite confident that a few of his performances this season will live long in the memory of United fans.
As for the rest of it...you've said it all before. Loads of times. Repeating it over and over again...I just don't get it?
It's like you just ignore what everyone else says, the context of it all...could you answer any of my questions?
I'm not sure Veron ever had a season as strong as the season Berbatov's having, and I'm quite confident that a few of his performances this season will live long in the memory of United fans.
As for the rest of it...you've said it all before. Loads of times. Repeating it over and over again...I just don't get it?
It's like you just ignore what everyone else says, the context of it all...could you answer any of my questions?
Yes. Do you know what I am thinking behind closed doors? Or is your telepathy limited to Berbatov?
No it's not, the game hasn't evolved at all, it's still played with eleven players and a round ball the last time I looked and all this 4-5-1 nonsense is just that, you can play whatever formation you like and I know that if Fergie put out our 1999 line-up with Keane and Scholes in central midfield with Beckham and Giggs left, we'd still be able to take on most teams regardless who they had. Do you forget Juventus used to play Davids, Deschamps, Zidane, Di Livio and Conte with Inzaghi upfront alone back then?
I was speculating. Most footballers in particular high profile players are not happy about being constantly dropped.
I dont think it is an unreasonable thought at all that Berbatov is unhappy with the current situation.
And I would not blame him.
So instead of just answering with a ridiculous smiley face perhaps attempt to argue your point correctly
He can't argue it mate, as with me he'll just usually go on about my love for Tevez or something hoping everyone else will back him up and he'll stop looking daft.
Your "argument" consisted of you making some shit up. As you said, "speculating."
Consider yourself fortunate you even got a smiley.
Most of Berba's goals came in three games this season. Facht.
Well you do know that Mark Hughes, Andy Cole, Dwight Yorke, Ruud Van Nistelrooy, Alan Smith, Louis Saha and Carlos Tevez all left because they weren't being played enough?
If Berbatov were to decide to leave United due to a lack of games, he wouldn't be the first...
Swish! All net...
And?
Berbatov is now having the season that Tévez never had for United. Tévez was good in 07/08, but still only got 14 league goals, compared to Berbatov's 19 with a couple of months left. Berbatov has a much better strike rate for United than Tévez had.
The importance of a player's ability big games is overrated, particularly in the league. 08/09 we picked up 4 points from a possible 18 against Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal, and still cruised to the league on 90 points. Give me two goals against smaller teams any day rather than one against a big team.
You're also overhyping his ability to "win a game against big teams". He had 3 goals over 2 years against the rest of the 'Big Four', only one of which was a winner, and his only really crucial goals in Europe were a brace against Lyon and what we thought was the winner against Porto.
If we're talking about Berba in the big games, Liverpool is still our biggest game, and he got a hat-trick in September. I don't really give a feck where they are in the league, we saw the other week what the game-raising pricks do against us. city is our second biggest game, he was very good at CoMS and didn't start at OT, and we suffered until he came on. Nothing he could do at Anfield, he came closest for us whilst the game was still on. Our only other two 'big' games were at home to Arsenal and away to Chelsea, he started neither. So in summary this season, he's done pretty fecking well in the big games he's played.
You can point to important Tévez goals rather than goals in big games, such as late equalisers against Spurs and Blackburn, but for every one of those there's at least one Berbatov has got too.
This is just talking about direct affect on the pitch, not to mind influence on dressing room morale, which Tévez's fortnightly swipes and reported outright bitching at SAF when he wasn't picked presumably didn't help.
So you're laughing at Randall for suggesting Berbatov may be contemplating leaving United due to being dropped, I'm demonstrating it's not that far fetched an idea at all...
where would he leave to though?
it isn't like barca will come in for him.
he won't leave unless fergie tells him he wants him out of the club. And fergie won't do that as he's offering him an extension.
berba knows he'll never play at a club our size, strength, and on our wages.
No, you aren't. Both of you are speculating. You have absolutely no basis for doing so, but hey, why let facts interfere with your little theories.
Hernandez is going to join Coventry. He doesn't like being on the bench. Trust me, he has scored all those goals, you seriously think he's gonna sit there and take it? Pfffffftttttttt.
The point is that 19 goals is a decent tally but 11 of them in 3 games tells a slightly different story.
He's still a very "hot and cold" type player to me.
There are some players who come on the pitch and you're almost surprised when they DON'T score. Berbatov doesn't really fall into that category for me.
As I've said a million times before, I was ecstatic when we signed him, I thought he'd be a brilliant player for us but I just don't think he has been although he has moments of brilliance.
I look at how we played against Arsenal and Fergie's decision to go with "energy" and I wonder where Berba would fit into that.
A lot has been written over the last few years about how we're not as exciting to watch anymore but the game against Arsenal was almost like the United of old and it was a joy to watch. Yes, we sailed close to the wind at times and yes VDS had to bail us out but the other side of the coin was the swift and lethal counter-attacks which we all love to see.
Where does Berba fit into that? He'd have received the ball, turned on the spot with it a few times, impressing us all with his amazing ability to retain possession and by the time he decides to pass (backwards), the Arsenal defence are all back into position, smoking cigars and waiting for something to happen.
If Hernandez continues to score like he has been doing and is on the bench for big games in three years' time, he won't be happy.
Can we not just assume he's being sincere, he's generally seemed just that in his interviews:
It's not just positive comments about United, though, it's hardly simple fan-appeasing uncontroversial rubbish:
Overall, I think this quote's key (and one he's said repeatedly):
It's not just positive comments about United, though, it's hardly simple fan-appeasing uncontroversial rubbish:
Overall, I think this quote's key (and one he's said repeatedly):
Uh, yeah.
In the 2008/09 season, Tevez also had his striking counterparts score another 60+ between them, Berbatov has had Rooney and Berb score about 18 (so far), hardly as prolific whereas Tevez contributed greatly in overall play.
Really? Ferguson would disagree, he will tell you we beat the likes of Newcastle by 1-0 or 2-1 in 1995/96 with Eric Cantona often being that man to score the single goal to win it.
You're seemingly denying his contributions at West Ham and currently at City where he is currently ONE behind Berbatov and regardless, his contributions for United in that 08/09 season were far greater than what Berbatov has achived so far.
You really think Liverpool is still our biggest game? Emotionally, perhaps but in terms of importance it is clearly Chelsea, Arsenal and even City over the Scousers and Berbatov has scored in ONE of these league games over two seasons ago, a gratuitous third in Scolari's last game before he was sacked.
Which ones? I'm not denying them, I'm just requiring you to back yourself up.
Of course they didn't, and I've never condoned Tevez's actions and he's clearly different in persona to Berbatov but like many, a lot of fans were confused why he wasn't being played hence the 'sign him up' chants which quickly turned sour when he left, that's my point - I'm sure most will claim Berbatov was 'always' below par if he were to leave...
Well... this is what is happening to Berbatov and someone is saying that he might not be happy.... uh... yeah?
Are you drunk again?
Are you thick?
You haven't seen Berbatov orchestrating a few very tasty counter-attacks this season, then?
I think the amount of counter-attacking football we've played is greatly overstated over the last decade, breathtaking when it comes off and thus sticks in the memory but the regularity of it season through season is quite low, I reckon.
If we go back to the glorious holy trinity of Ronaldo, Rooney and Tevez in their first season together I don't think there were anywhere near as many examples of counter-attacking as people remember. It just fits into it quite nicely - they all move around a lot, we're known for fast-paced attacking football and we were hugely successful i.e. we were at the peak of our counter-attacking powers.
Do you think he's significantly better than Berbatov in the build-up?
Well there's plenty of other clubs but I see your point.
And can I ask also, realistically, where was Tevez going to ever go? He wanted to stay in England so that left a handful of realistic teams; Liverpool, Chelsea or City.
Regardless where he went, he would be hated unless he went to Barca, Real or Inter although dare I say he would've still been hated regardless. I think this is a fair point also...
But were Berbatov to leave, I think there'd be plenty of clubs who would have him, definitely. I'm not denying his qualities, I never have, I just have never thought they've matched United's style.
Hernandez has come out and said he's perfectly happy to bide his time and play the waiting game and until then make the most of his opportunities.
Remember Solskjaer seriously contemplated leaving for Spurs in the summer of 1998 as he felt he wasn't getting enough game-time, but stayed on and subsequently revealed he was happy to play from the bench in later years.
I've not yet seen anything from Berbatov to say he's happy on the bench, have you? Above says he happy at United, but that's from his first season, not from recently when he's been benched.
Johnno, do you think that Berbatov's role - tactically - has changed at all in his time here?
Yeah, I know what you mean. There's just something about Berbatov and I can't quite put my finger on it. He just doesn't "convince". You never quite know what you're going to get with him. One game he can be brilliant, the next he can be completely ineffectual.
I don't think people pick on him because they don't like his face and I don't think Fergie has dropped him in big games because he doesn't like his face, either. There's just an element of risk to playing him because of his unpredictability.
For the record, I can't stand Tevez and I was happy when the little troll left but at least you knew what you would get from him in every game.
The same applies to players like Hernandez and, usually, Rooney and when fit, Owen.
In the past we had players like Yorke, Cole, RVN, Solksjaer etc. You knew what you'd get with them. I'm just not sure Berba falls into this category.
I just get this feeling that Fergie is happier with players who he can rely on to put in an overall 7 or 8/10 every week rather than 10/10 one week and 5/10 the next week.
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