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Johnno, do you think that Berbatov's role - tactically - has changed at all in his time here?

Yes - he's tactically left on the bench for the important games.

And I'm not being facetious here mate or argumentative - he was meant to bring finesse and stability to the side, especially in Europe which is Ferguson's Holy Grail.
As someone mentioned earlier, United are still counter-attacking, fast on the break which does leave us vulnerable at times as it has always done but we've been our best with that formation and whilst Berbatov has shown glimpses of being able to break quickly (Blackpool winner), against the more defensively sound teams such as Chelsea he hasn't been able to make an impact.
 
Would goals per minute not be a more relevant stat? I've always felt that stats rewarded shot-shy attackers. Not that it particularly changes much in this case, Hernández still has the best stats.

For the Premier League at least:

Hernandez: 1 every 96.3.
Berbatov: 1 every 101.5
Rooney: 1 every 227.4

that truly is a rubbish statistic when you take into account 11 of Berbatovs goals come within 270 minutes of game time.
 
United need Berbatov to quickly rediscover brilliant best in Europe

Ferguson's strikers have struggled on the continental stage this season as seven goals in seven games attests

By Ian Herbert


Tuesday, 15 March 2011





It has been so long since Dimitar Berbatov last scored in Europe that his manager has lost track of the time. Reminded yesterday that 18 games and two and a half years have elapsed since the Bulgarian's two tap-ins saw off Celtic at Old Trafford, Ferguson paused. "I wasn't aware of that," he said, falteringly, before regaining his poise. "He's capable of scoring all the time and he's got that ability. He's done very well for us this season and hopefully that continues."


That last part was not an entirely accurate assessment of the Bulgarian's season. In the seven games since his two goals at Blackpool completed the most memorable of many United comebacks in their Premier League campaign, Berbatov has not found the net and his failure to score in five Champions League appearances have contributed to a fairly desultory campaign. United's seven European games have yielded only seven goals this season and none of Ferguson's players has scored more than once. Even Bebe and Gabriel Obertan have a fresher recollection of how it feels to score in continental competition than Berbatov.

The No 9 is not the only one who has failed to fire. This is a European campaign in which Wayne Rooney has also failed to register a goal. But one of Ferguson's frustrations with Berbatov is that he delivers all – hat-tricks against Birmingham and Liverpool, five goals against Blackburn – or nothing. It has been the same in Europe. Berbatov's four United goals in continental competition were the two against Celtic and two in the Danish town of Aalborg – the size of opposition on those occasions reinforcing the notion that he tends to deliver when the pressure is off.

It is not always Berbatov's struggle to enter games which is a trouble. The less experienced United players get caught up in the welter of negativity which spins around the complex mind of his: Chris Smalling was on the receiving end of it at Anfield and did not deserve that.
An early strike or two from Berbatov would settle things tonight, Ferguson knows. Keen to view tonight's visitors operate away from home, he saw their 2-0 win in Rennes on Friday night and expects an intense opening. "They'll be planning on how they are going to score a goal and I think they'll try to start the game very quickly, that's a certainty. We have to be prepared for that."

That is why a reminder of Berbatov's brilliance would be so welcome. The frustration for United is compounded by the fact that his excellent record on the Continent is one of the reasons they spent £30.5m for him in the first place. In Europe he has scored 32 goals in 73 games, including the Europa League and Champions League and an eye-catching 28 in 53 before arriving at United.

Ferguson was on the receiving end, of course. Berbatov played for the Bayer Leverkusen side which sent them out of the tournament at the semi-final stage in 2002. His is a record that once made him the talk of the Continent. Louis van Gaal, whose Bayern Munich put United out of last season's Champions League, badly wanted to buy him from Leverkusen before Tottenham moved in.

Berbatov is certainly in a better place this spring than last, when Ferguson's decision to play a 4-5-1, spearheaded by Rooney, in United's most important games, confined him to the margins. Back then, it had been hard to see a future beyond this summer for him, though the "one-way" option United have to extend his contract by a year to the end of 2012-13 means that without the need for negotiation they will prolong the relationship, probably when this season is out.

The initial anxiety created by the absence of an away goal in Marseilles had dissipated by yesterday – with the prevailing mood coalescing around the notion that Old Trafford being Old Trafford, United would progress. But with United's elimination by no means inconceivable and Didier Deschamps on the warpath after Ferguson's suggestion that his side had been negative in the first leg, it is the perfect occasion for Berbatov to prove he can still be the continental predator he once was.

United need Berbatov to quickly rediscover brilliant best in Europe - European, Football - The Independent
 
Well, apologies if I have got the wrong end of the stick but most of what you have said here has consisted of sentences of three words or less and green smileys.

I must have missed your genius earlier in the thread.

Maybe. Best check back in three years. You know, to be sure.
 
Yes - he's tactically left on the bench for the important games.

And I'm not being facetious here mate or argumentative - he was meant to bring finesse and stability to the side, especially in Europe which is Ferguson's Holy Grail.

As someone mentioned earlier, United are still counter-attacking, fast on the break which does leave us vulnerable at times as it has always done but we've been our best with that formation and whilst Berbatov has shown glimpses of being able to break quickly (Blackpool winner), against the more defensively sound teams such as Chelsea he hasn't been able to make an impact.

In terms of his position on the pitch, do you think it's changed or his direct increase in goals is purely due to a direct increase in performance?

That last sentence made me chuckle, reminded me of the comments about Ronaldo, or just this one about Valencia more recently:

He's so ludicrously one-dimensional and one-footed; he can look brilliant against sides that have no positional awareness whatsoever (like Wigan), where he can just stand in space and pick out passes, but in tight games he offers next to nothing.

Then he played very well against Chelsea and it was never to be said again...is Berbatov incapable of that?

If Berbatov scores against Arsenal and we win the league because of that, is he then a Manchester United player? I wouldn't be at all surprised if he scores in a big European game or two and calmly shrugs off the "can't play against the big teams" and "hasn't scored in Europe for two years" with a nonchalant flick of his boot.
 
In terms of his position on the pitch, do you think it's changed or his direct increase in goals is purely due to a direct increase in performance?

That last sentence made me chuckle, reminded me of the comments about Ronaldo, or just this one about Valencia more recently:



If Berbatov scores against Arsenal and we win the league because of that, is he then a Manchester United player?

Well that's an interesting analogy because both Ronaldo and Rooney were slated a few years back because neither had scored against Chelsea (Rooney had already scored against Arsenal a few times), but then Rooney scored one and has a good record against them since, Ronaldo didn't score versus Chelsea in the league from memory but he certainly did in the CL Final, plus he scored versus Arsenal, Liverpool, City, in Europe as did Rooney.
I see what you're saying, but of course Berbatov has to START scoring against the big teams in the big games (regardless of what that bell-end Lance Uppercut reckons) and in Europe as well - he hasn't since Sep 2008, 18 games ago - to then say 'ok, he's scoring in these big games against big teams at vital times' like the other two mentioned did do.
 
A few of things about Berba...

1) For a tall guy, he's shit at heading.

2) For a £30million striker with bags of experience, he doesn't seem to understand the offside rule. Watch how many times he is standing completely and obviously offside asking for the ball. The player in possession can see he is offside and so doesn't pass to him and the move breaks down. Berba then throws a stroppy because he wasn't played in. Sometimes, due to his "languid" style (facking laziness!) he can take so long to get back into an onside position that we can lose the ball, win it back and go on the attack again and he's still in an offside position. Frustrating as hell.

3) It hasn't been as noticable this season but he does have a tendency to throw stroppies at his own players. I don't mind this so much when the guy throwing the stroppy is doing his own job but, coming from Berba, you tend to think, "stfu!"

4) He's incredibly difficult to dispossess.

5) He can bring a ball out of the sky and stop it on his toe.

This is Berbatov in my eyes. Ridiculously talented and can do stuff no one else can do but is just as capable of fecking up the basics.
 
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In the 2008/09 season, Tevez also had his striking counterparts score another 60+ between them, Berbatov has had Rooney and Berb score about 18 (so far), hardly as prolific whereas Tevez contributed greatly in overall play.
You can't blame Berbatov for Ronaldo's departure and Rooney's arsing around.
Really? Ferguson would disagree, he will tell you we beat the likes of Newcastle by 1-0 or 2-1 in 1995/96 with Eric Cantona often being that man to score the single goal to win it.

What? Yes, he would tell me that because we did. That doesn't change the fact that the title is generally decided by how you play against the weaker teams.

You're seemingly denying his contributions at West Ham and currently at City where he is currently ONE behind Berbatov and regardless, his contributions for United in that 08/09 season were far greater than what Berbatov has achived so far.

I couldn't really care less what he does at city or did at West Brom, when we're talking about Tévez, we must talk about him in the context of being a United player, a role that demands completely different qualities than the aforementioned clubs. For starters, playing a different position. And anyway, he may be just one goal behind Berbatov, but 5 of those were penalties by recollection, and he's played about 15% more as well.

You really think Liverpool is still our biggest game? Emotionally, perhaps but in terms of importance it is clearly Chelsea, Arsenal and even City over the Scousers and Berbatov has scored in ONE of these league games over two seasons ago, a gratuitous third in Scolari's last game before he was sacked.

Well you said 'big games'. It's clearly our biggest game, the one we want to win the most. Liverpool 07/08 was included as one of Tévez's big game goals in 07/08, when they finished comfortably off the pace in 4th. In terms of importance and not emotionally that was pretty much another game, as they had no chance of the title. If you're therefore not including non-direct title rivals, Tévez's big-game goal numbers drop even further, to two. And you've castigated Berba for just one, even though as I've already stated he hasn't played a lot of them and when he has he's generally played quite well, which it is actually possible to do without scoring y'know.

Which ones? I'm not denying them, I'm just requiring you to back yourself up.

Well off the top of my head in terms of winners and equalisers: Winner against Middlesborough, winner against Bolton, winner against Newcastle, winner against Spurs (all 08/09), equaliser against Sunderland, winner against Stoke (09/10), hat-trick winner against Liverpool, double winner against Sunderland, winner against Blackpool (10/11). That's without considering openers, which can be very important, or goals that were equalised but still mean points, like Birmingham this year.

Of course they didn't, and I've never condoned Tevez's actions and he's clearly different in persona to Berbatov but like many, a lot of fans were confused why he wasn't being played hence the 'sign him up' chants which quickly turned sour when he left, that's my point - I'm sure most will claim Berbatov was 'always' below par if he were to leave..

What? Ridiculous. Of course they wouldn't. Who in their right mind would say he'd been "always below par" if he left the summer after he was the PL top scorer, or close to it. FWIW I didn't share the general enthusiasm about Tévez, he had his plus points sure, but his positioning was average, he was caught in possession too much and he frequently scuffed excellent goalscoring opportunities. He wasn't the reason that team was so good, and SAF recognised it.
 
Generally I find that people are rehashing their previous rants about Berba, with a slight qualification for this season (albeit they still have ridiculous gripes), because they've hated being proved wrong.
 
You can't blame Berbatov for Ronaldo's departure and Rooney's arsing around.


I haven't blamed Berbatov for the departure of Ronaldo or Rooney's poor form anywhere; I have simply shown Tevez scored 14, Rooney got about 20 from memory and Ronaldo got 42 - compared to Berbatov's current 19, Chico's 11 and Rooney's 7 or 8; a lot less than the former strike force we had.



What? Yes, he would tell me that because we did. That doesn't change the fact that the title is generally decided by how you play against the weaker teams.

The title is decided by the team with the most points mate - you seem to be saying it doesn't matter Berbatov doesn't play and/or well against the bigger teams or even if we lose to them because Berbatov scores a few hat-tricks against smaller teams to win us the league. This is contributing, it certainly does not win it.



I couldn't really care less what he does at city or did at West Brom, when we're talking about Tévez, we must talk about him in the context of being a United player, a role that demands completely different qualities than the aforementioned clubs. For starters, playing a different position. And anyway, he may be just one goal behind Berbatov, but 5 of those were penalties by recollection, and he's played about 15% more as well.


What different qualities does it require, him running around with a rubber glove on his head? He's the same player at City he was with us, as he was at West Ham, as he was at Corinthians and at Boca and for Argentina and whilst I'm not a betting man, there's still two months left of the season - I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Tevez overtakes Berb in that time for Golden Boot even if his haul includes some penalties...perhaps Berbatov should step up and take some himself, experienced player he is?


Well you said 'big games'. It's clearly our biggest game, the one we want to win the most. Liverpool 07/08 was included as one of Tévez's big game goals in 07/08, when they finished comfortably off the pace in 4th. In terms of importance and not emotionally that was pretty much another game, as they had no chance of the title. If you're therefore not including non-direct title rivals, Tévez's big-game goal numbers drop even further, to two. And you've castigated Berba for just one, even though as I've already stated he hasn't played a lot of them and when he has he's generally played quite well, which it is actually possible to do without scoring y'know.


It's clearly our biggest DERBY, you mean - just as West Brom's biggest game is playing United or Arsenal but their most passionate game would be against Wolves. At the end of the day, us playing Liverpool is terms of ultimate significance was not title-deciding, but the Chelsea and Arsenal games in April/May will be. Of course each game contributes but these big games are the major factors and we need our best players to contribute; I categorise Berbatov as one of our major players due to his talent, so he best start doing, just as he should in Europe. As for the non-scoring, I've seen Berbatov play well without scoring but he just hasn't since Blackpool, if you think otherwise you're kidding and by this logic, that can be applied to Tevez despite only getting 14 league goals as his work-rate and assists were spot-on...


What? Ridiculous. Of course they wouldn't. Who in their right mind would say he'd been "always below par" if he left the summer after he was the PL top scorer, or close to it. FWIW I didn't share the general enthusiasm about Tévez, he had his plus points sure, but his positioning was average, he was caught in possession too much and he frequently scuffed excellent goalscoring opportunities. He wasn't the reason that team was so good, and SAF recognised it.

I bet they would because people tend to recognise the entire time he's been at the club - Veron had a good second season for United, again riddled with inconsistency which is why he is so comparable with Berbatov. I saw Veron play for United against Boca in a pre-season and he was mesmeric. Other times he just couldn't get in the game, similar to Berbatov or Forlan, another I would categorise as contentiously hit & miss.
As I've said, people were very quick to state Tevez and Veron were 'crap' for us as soon as they left whilst they sang their praises whilst still with us. I'm not saying Tevez was the best thing since sliced bread but he was certainly a very effective player and one who was more effective for us than Berbatov has been for us in his time here.


Generally I find that people are rehashing their previous rants about Berba, with a slight qualification for this season (albeit they still have ridiculous gripes), because they've hated being proved wrong.




Honestly? I LOVED being proven wrong about Berbatov in September, I was singing his praises and then he went dead for a couple of months, back to life and then has gone dead again - that's what I hate. I don't hate HIM personally, not at all, I've stated this several times, but I hate the fact he's so hit and miss and in the majority, miss.
Put it this way, United were keen on signing Benzema in 2009 before he went to Real. The partnership would have been Rooney-Benzema. We were also keen on Villa last summer; the partnership would have been Rooney-Villa.
Ferguson has clearly indicated, intentionally or not, Berbatov is not his first choice player and he was bought to be a first choice player as per Ferguson's statement and the fact he paid so much. I'm disappointed by it, I want him to succeed but the fact remains clear as day he is simply NOT, or otherwise mate, he'd be playing in the big games and in Europe.
I think you know this too but just don't wanna admit it; this is a reality, it doesn't make you any less a fan you know. Just accept it...
 
Loyalty to the club should not be underestimated - Berbatov is a United player. He chose us when he could have been paid better elsewhere. Rooney took a lot more convincing and his loyalty had to be paid for!

Yes it is working well and Berbatov is as much a part of that as anyone else - we have 3 top strikers, all offering a different option and on this season's form, I dont see why Berba and Hernandez shouldnt be our first choice.




You dont think it is a good thing that he is not a cnut like Tevez? If players think they are bigger than the club then they can feck off as far as I am concerned.




This.

It's like this. When Berbatov was in great form, we were content to play Rooney and the general view from people on here was even though Wayne isn't playing very good, he needs games to get back into it. Now, Berbatov has had a disrupted period, and he hasn't played constantly, now when the question of playing him comes up, I've seen his past 5-8 matches used against him, saying he will be shit as he hasn't performed in those games, as if the rest of his season never occurred. What the feck do people expect? He needs a run of games, not to be played every couple weeks or to come on as a substitute...but even then his performances haven't been that bad, but a lot of people seem reluctant to give Berbatov the oppertunity they were glad to give Rooney earlier this season, despite Berbatov already proving he's been our most effective striker this season. Yes, he isn't going to be playing to his best because he's been started 4 times in his last 10 matches since the end of January. Imagine if we played Rooney so off-hand, do you think he would bring his consistency into each appearance?


I hate the situation to be honest. Berbatov should be starting, and it should either be Hernandez or Rooney partnering him.

What's worse though for me is the comments about Berbatov here....Two months ago the Caf was falling back in love with him, and it was agreed he was paramount to the team. Now the new partnership is flourishing, it's as if Berbatov has had a shit season, or that we probably don't need him because Rooney is back and Hernandez looks so good. What bollocks. I've seen his hatricks used against him so many times in this thread alone, to bring down his strike rate and show he's not been ahead of the other two by much or at all. The guys done it all, he's had a fantastic season, despite being dropped so many times, not complained once, given he's the club and league top scorer, and yet people claim Berbatov is not really a United player! What more can we ask for, this season he has shown model professionalism and delivered the goods.
 
To be honest the whole situation does leave me confused. I bumped the thread because I will be very interested to see if he plays tonight.

On one hand I would like to see him play and break his CL barren patch. But on the other hand I have been enjoying the Rooney - Hernandez partnership.

But also I think a 4-3-3 of Nani-Rooney-Valencia might be the most exciting of the whole lot.
 
It's like this. When Berbatov was in great form, we were content to play Rooney and the general view from people on here was even though Wayne isn't playing very good, he needs games to get back into it. Now, Berbatov has had a disrupted period, and he hasn't played constantly, now when the question of playing him comes up, I've seen his past 5-8 matches used against him, saying he will be shit as he hasn't performed in those games, as if the rest of his season never occurred. What the feck do people expect? He needs a run of games, not to be played every couple weeks or to come on as a substitute...but even then his performances haven't been that bad, but a lot of people seem reluctant to give Berbatov the oppertunity they were glad to give Rooney earlier this season, despite Berbatov already proving he's been our most effective striker this season. Yes, he isn't going to be playing to his best because he's been started 4 times in his last 10 matches since the end of January. Imagine if we played Rooney so off-hand, do you think he would bring his consistency into each appearance?


I hate the situation to be honest. Berbatov should be starting, and it should either be Hernandez or Rooney partnering him.

What's worse though for me is the comments about Berbatov here....Two months ago the Caf was falling back in love with him, and it was agreed he was paramount to the team. Now the new partnership is flourishing, it's as if Berbatov has had a shit season, or that we probably don't need him because Rooney is back and Hernandez looks so good. What bollocks. I've seen his hatricks used against him so many times in this thread alone, to bring down his strike rate and show he's not been ahead of the other two by much or at all. The guys done it all, he's had a fantastic season, despite being dropped so many times, not complained once, given he's the club and league top scorer, and yet people claim Berbatov is not really a United player! What more can we ask for, this season he has shown model professionalism and delivered the goods.

I agree with much what you say but I understand Fergie's decision to put him on the bench for several games recently.

Last season we were almost entirely dependent on Rooney and when he got injured we failed to cope with his absence. We cannot afford to treat Berbatov in the same way and rely on his form, neglecting Rooney at the same time and making him a second choice striker. We'd have far better chances of winning the title and the CL if we had three strikers in good form, not just one. Had Fergie treated Berbatov this season in the same way he treated Rooney last season, then Rooney's confidence would have been low, he wouldn't be able to regain his form, and his influence in the team would be questionable. We cannot afford to treat Rooney like that because he can be a huge player for us. Not to mention that Rooney and Hernandez seem to suit better our tactics against teams which are likely to have a go at us.

BTW, it's not like Bebatov was omitted in all important games. He started vs Marseille away and Liverpool away - those games were every bit as big and important as Chelsea and Arsenal, if not more important. He is likely to start at least half of the remaining fixtures, all of them utterly important. But both Rooney and Hernandez will be in good form as well which is a big bonus for us.
 
The point is that 19 goals is a decent tally but 11 of them in 3 games tells a slightly different story.

He's still a very "hot and cold" type player to me.

There are some players who come on the pitch and you're almost surprised when they DON'T score. Berbatov doesn't really fall into that category for me.

As I've said a million times before, I was ecstatic when we signed him, I thought he'd be a brilliant player for us but I just don't think he has been although he has moments of brilliance.

I look at how we played against Arsenal and Fergie's decision to go with "energy" and I wonder where Berba would fit into that.

A lot has been written over the last few years about how we're not as exciting to watch anymore but the game against Arsenal was almost like the United of old and it was a joy to watch. Yes, we sailed close to the wind at times and yes VDS had to bail us out but the other side of the coin was the swift and lethal counter-attacks which we all love to see.

Where does Berba fit into that? He'd have received the ball, turned on the spot with it a few times, impressing us all with his amazing ability to retain possession and by the time he decides to pass (backwards), the Arsenal defence are all back into position, smoking cigars and waiting for something to happen.

This.

A few of things about Berba...

1) For a tall guy, he's shit at heading.

2) For a £30million striker with bags of experience, he doesn't seem to understand the offside rule. Watch how many times he is standing completely and obviously offside asking for the ball. The player in possession can see he is offside and so doesn't pass to him and the move breaks down. Berba then throws a stroppy because he wasn't played in. Sometimes, due to his "languid" style (facking laziness!) he can take so long to get back into an onside position that we can lose the ball, win it back and go on the attack again and he's still in an offside position. Frustrating as hell.

3) It hasn't been as noticable this season but he does have a tendency to throw stroppies at his own players. I don't mind this so much when the guy throwing the stroppy is doing his own job but, coming from Berba, you tend to think, "stfu!"

4) He's incredibly difficult to dispossess.

5) He can bring a ball out of the sky and stop it on his toe.

This is Berbatov in my eyes. Ridiculously talented and can do stuff no one else can do but is just as capable of fecking up the basics.

Also this. It's bizarre because when we bought Berbatov I thought he was going to be that luxury player that we could definitely afford, one who would unlock defences and score regularly. Unfortunately his scoring, unlocking of defences and general performances are sporadic and random. He's a player that for nearly 3 seasons has "just needed a goal", even 2 games after scoring a hat-trick.

It's a shame but I always feel, even this season, that unless he is absolutely on it (1 in 2-4 games), he is detrimental to our tactics (vs say Hernandez).

In that respect I think he's comparable to Ibrahimovich: A top player who when at his best is almost untouchable, but his style and inconsistancy didn't suit Barcelona, as is Berbatov with us in my opinion.
 
Weird that he's not started today given he did'n play on saturday. That said, Hernandez has been fantastic.
 
Rooney-Hernandez is a more dynamic partnership that is showing signs of flourishing.

I feel bad for Berbatov because from his interviews you can tell he is desperate to make an impression in big games however Rooney just offers more tactically IMO in bigger matches.
 
Huh. Genuinely surprised at that. Guess Fergie wants Hernández's pace in behind Heinze at CB.
 
Weird that he's not started today given he did'n play on saturday. That said, Hernandez has been fantastic.

Not that weird, was a cracking performance up front, why would we change it?

It's up to Berbatov to show something when he gets back in the team better than Hernandez is offering. This is precisely the kind of competition for places we've craved for a long time. And rather than just playing pass the parcel, players are having to earn their place

No doubt Berbatov will start against Bolton, but it might well be to give Hernandez a rest more than anything
 
Berbatov was on a good run before SAF started changing the line ups reducing his time on the field. I feel for him as I genuinely think he and Scholes are the most talented players we have in the squad.
 
I would have started Berba today -he will help us in defence esp at corners and Marseille would end up giving fouls away against him.
 
I feel sorry for Berba. Can't imagine what's going on through his head. He carried us through most of the season. Leading goalscorer and all. Hope he's got the nerves to deal with this

Rooney would have fecked away by now
 
i feel sorry for berba. Can't imagine what's going on through his head. He carried us through most of the season. Leading goalscorer and all. Hope he's got the nerves to deal with this

rooney would have fecked away by now

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It would seem that in the bosses' eyes, Hernandez was given a chance and he's taken it. Never looked back.

We saw a hell of a lot of Rooney and Berbatov together, a lot of the time it didnt work well. This season we saw a vast improvement from them but still, away from home it wasnt good enough. Sir Alex said so himself.

I think there is a good argument that Berbatov and Hernandez looked a good partnership first, and perhaps we should have gone with that.
 
I'm a big fan of his but who gives a feck? He had gone into a slight trough, form wise, and Hernandez has taken his chance. The in form player should play. Berbatov will have lots of chances to play his part this season. It's up to him to win the shirt back.
 
Generally I find that people are rehashing their previous rants about Berba, with a slight qualification for this season (albeit they still have ridiculous gripes), because they've hated being proved wrong.

who exactly was proven wrong? and why? Main argument of these so-called Berba-bashers was that 1) he played to deep 2) he slowed us down in build-ups. Most of these Bebra-bashers wanted Fergie to move him further up-filed.

This season he was our most advanced striker and guess off- it paid dividends off. He's imminent feature is that he holds the ball very well- that hasn't changed.

If Fergie thinks that Herndez is more suited to this game, due to his pace, working channels or whatever it's quite easy to understand. Hernandez and Berba are very different strikers.
 
I'm a big fan of his but who gives a feck? He had gone into a slight trough, form wise, and Hernandez has taken his chance. The in form player should play. Berbatov will have lots of chances to play his part this season. It's up to him to win the shirt back.

Double standards. When Rooney played badly he was started anyways, although Hernandez was available and in form. and and his partnership with Berba was very good already
 
Double standards. When Rooney played badly he was started anyways, although Hernandez was available and in form. and and his partnership with Berba was very good already

It was very early days for Hernandez though. Over the course of this season he's proven himself more and more, and took his chance nearly every game he's been given.
 
It was very early days for Hernandez though. Over the course of this season he's proven himself more and more, and took his chance nearly every game he's been given.

Still. Hernandez took all his chances from the beginning. There was literally no transition period. He fit right in. Rooney was played in spite his poor form
 
Rooney's earned that privilege because he's been an integral member of multiple title-winning sides...Berbatov hasn't. He'll understand that.
 
It was very early days for Hernandez though. Over the course of this season he's proven himself more and more, and took his chance nearly every game he's been given.

This is what some of us were alluding to. It has got to the stage where we are almost surprised when Hernandez doesn't score. With Berba, it is almost a bonus when he does score.

I thought tonight was a shock, I expected Berba to start. The fact that he didn't speaks volumes to me.

Rooney played brilliantly and Hernandez scored twice - where, exactly, does Berba fit in to the point where he is considered a "must play"?
 
Berbetov is a mature top professional who knows he at the best club he can get to. He understands that the manger has the right to pick a team dependent on who he thinks his suited to his strategy for any particular game. Berbatov gets the squad system.

Sure, he'll be pissed off not to play, but he will understand. I doubt we will get any hissy fizzy from him. A consummate professional and a critical member of a very strong squad.

Lets not make too much out of nothing.
 
Just to put things into relativity, Henry regularly had to sit on the bench at Barce, FFS, even the striker in the PL these past few years Drogba is having to do the same at Chelsea. Its called tactics.
 
Just to put things into relativity, Henry regularly had to sit on the bench at Barce, FFS, even the striker in the PL these past few years Drogba is having to do the same at Chelsea. Its called tactics.

The tactics do appear not include Berba very much atm though.

If he doesn't play against Bolton, I'd really be getting worried.
 
The tactics do appear not include Berba very much atm though.

If he doesn't play against Bolton, I'd really be getting worried.

It's not that tricky. When he's right Rooney is our best player, so playing him back into form makes sense. Also playing him off the striker like he has been of late allows him to see more of the ball and not be isolated and under pressure to score goals when his form's not 100%.

Then it comes down to a straight choice between Berba and Hernandez and Hernandez has been in better form of late, so he's playing, not to mention the fact that his pace was more likely to trouble Marseille at home.

It's a squad game and right now Berbatov is down the pecking order. Hernandez, while he has done extremely well, isn't the finished article just yet, and his form will fluctuate at times, which will allow Berbatov chances.
 
You cannot argue with Fergie, the man got it right again. Chicharito is a great goalscorer and may prove to be the difference with last season when we failed in the Prem and the CL.

I feel for Berbatov though, that's a big blow for him because he was dropped from the team less than 2 weeks after he won us the game vs Blackpool and started only 2 games after he was subbed against Wolves. He didn't impress in those games (even though he was close to make the difference against the dippers once again) but to be fair the whole team was a bit poor in them. I don't know whether he will be able to recover from that blow for it's quite discouraging to know that even if you score a hat-trick, you'll find yourself on the bench as soon as you fail to score. We'll probably need him at his best in some of the remaining fixtures, given that we'll play 2 games almost every week till the end of the season. Hopefully, he will deliver when we need him.

Rooney and Hernandez look more promising at the moment, especially against teams that don't fear to play attacking football against us.
 
It's a shame for him, he is the top scorer in the Premier League and he's not getting picked, there's very little more he can actually do.
 
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