Indeed and I do say fair play, because we dont need players speaking out in the press.
But behind closed doors how do you think he currently feels?
But behind closed doors how do you think he currently feels?
Dimitar Berbatov | 2010/11 Performances
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Personally I think he will accept it and work hard to impress Fergie to get back into the side. Berbatov has always given me the impression that he sees United as the biggest stage he could play on and that he sees the bigger picture with rotation and tactics as the end goal is collective success. I also think he rates Rooney highly and understands that he is behind him for the most part. Nothing more to base this on that the interviews he has given. I also think he will be back in the starting eleven tomorrow over Hernandez.
I imagine he feels a bit aggrieved to be left out given how well he's playing this season, but unlike other players will be more concerned about how the team does, as well as relishing the chance to get back into action, rather than sulking and feeling sorry for himself. I'm almost certain he'll play tomorrow.
I think he deserves to feel hard done by to be honest - it seems like Fergie sees him as a bit of a luxury and doesnt trust him for the big games
I can't see him not starting tomorrow. Hernandez will be dropped.
You must be impressed by the way he handles being dropped out lately. But are you really surprised? The man is all about the team. The way he plays. Everything he says, the interviews, attitude. I just love it
I know he will play tomorrow and I hope he scores
EDIT: or as I have always hoped, we may see all 3 of them, with Rooney behind Berbatov and Chicharito
You must be impressed by the way he handles being dropped out lately. But are you really surprised? The man is all about the team. The way he plays. Everything he says, the interviews, attitude. I just love it
I know he will play tomorrow and I hope he scores
EDIT: or as I have always hoped, we may see all 3 of them, with Rooney behind Berbatov and Chicharito
Actually, I'm a bit surprised he's being rested as we have the internationals coming up after Bolton which Berbs has retired from it and Hernandez is still having to travel with Mexico.
So what would that suggest to you Bradley? Best season he's had easily yet still is omitted constantly....
It suggests we were right to get additional competition for places in, and if we'd done it last season, we might well have another title now
But that's being greedy!
Hernandez is a United player, and Berbatov isn't really, that's my view. Hence one pretty raw player looks the part, and one very experience player - despite producing far better performances this season - still see's himself in and out, and at the moment mostly out
And now I've said that, he'll start and score twice tomorrow
Why not?!
It suggests we were right to get additional competition for places in, and if we'd done it last season, we might well have another title now
But that's being greedy!
Hernandez is a United player, and Berbatov isn't really, that's my view. Hence one pretty raw player looks the part, and one very experience player - despite producing far better performances this season - still see's himself in and out, and at the moment mostly out
And now I've said that, he'll start and score twice tomorrow
My view is we need to win tomorrow so I would prefer to have a striker who can snap up minimal chances, therefore would prefer Utd go with Chico & Rooney as I think Valencia will start with maybe Fabio left if Nani doesn't start, but I agree Berb has never looked like our traditional counter attacking player which the others mentioned clearly are...
I'd play Hernandez cause his movement compliments Rooney (and prob Berba too), whereas Roon and Berba just well.... they aren't a good partnership are they?
one or the other imo.
Berbatov - 1 goal every 4.2 shots.
Hernandez - 1 goal every 3.7 shots.
Hernandez - 1 goal every 3.7 shots.
It has to be Rooney and Hernandez on current form, both have 4 goals in their last 7 appearances....Berba has a big fat zero in his last 7 and hasn't scored in the Champions league in over 2 years.
Rooney and Hernandez will offer the energy and movement needed against a side like Marseille.
Rooney and Hernandez will offer the energy and movement needed against a side like Marseille.
That's very harsh given he's only started three of those. In their last 5 starts Berbatov has 5, Hernandez 4 and Rooney 3. Easily manipulated.
In the end, I don't think Berbatov's been dropped because of lack of goals, or because he's in worse form overall.
Would goals per minute not be a more relevant stat? I've always felt that stats rewarded shot-shy attackers. Not that it particularly changes much in this case, Hernández still has the best stats.
For the Premier League at least:
Hernandez: 1 every 96.3.
Berbatov: 1 every 101.5
Rooney: 1 every 227.4
I still think fine player that he is, and cracking season that he's had, he's still a limiting player to the style of football we play
Not saying he's not good enough to play for the club, I just don't think he's a great fit, even now. Hernandez is precisely the kind of striker we're after, really putting the back line under pressure, forcing space and errors, allowing others to capitalise as much as himself. Even raw he's a major asset for us
Spot on Brad, imo.
I keep hearing this from everyone, he's had a cracking season; has he?
I think there have been several games where he's been brilliant, he's scored three hat-tricks (one of them he scored five) and versus Blackpool he was top, but there have been probably just as many games where he's AGAIN been decidedly average.
Stats show he's had a good season, but in the space of things, I'd prefer him to have spaced out those goals rather than eleven in five games or whatever it was a few months back, I really would.
I'm definitely pleased with his performances this season, even the ones where he's not scored he's improved but I still don't think he's what we need, and dare I say the reaosn for his improvement is similar to that of Nani & Valencia; Valencia's absence meant Nani had to step up. Rooney inconspicuous form meant we were lacking a forward to score the thirty odd goals Rooney got last year, Berbatov HAS stepped up but not to the same kind of consistency Rooney did last season, Ronaldo the year before, Van Nistelrooy before them, Cole and Yorke in years preceding them and so on...
Don't make me post the picture...
I think it is incredibly harsh of you to say that Berba is not a United player - last season people complained about lack of goals and now he is PL top scorer but people still arent happy!
he is also content to play part of a rotating front line and is a great team player
rooney has been mostly crap for a year and asked for a bloody transfer yet I dont hear anyone saying that about him!
perhaps we have a different definition of what type of player we want at the club
Post whatever you want boyfriend...
I think you're knocking him for the sake of knocking him there Johnno, he's top scorer in the Premier League! Given Liverpool scored two, I'm fecking thrilled he scored three on one day! Even discount his five against Blackburn and he's still comfortably second top scorer in the league. So yes, he has had a cracking season!
Rooney is the heart beat of our attacking play Rood. What my personal views are of him are a different story altogether, but clearly he's very much a fit at this club
I think its working well, Berbatov is significantly different to Hernandez, and when he's playing, he's doing well and scoring goals. But I also don't think its random fluke he's out of the team at the moment. It's no great slight on Berbatov, but I think the impact on our style favours Hernandez, and the better he gets the tougher it will be for Berbatov to get into the team
I actually dont think that is a good thing.
A top player should never feel happy to be rotated. Rooney, Ronaldo, Van Nistelrooy and Cantona would never accept being left out as much as Berbatov especially the big games.
In fact it would have been unimaginable
Quite. One throws a hissy fit and is widely suspected to have at least considered city, whilst generally playing crap, the other outscores every other player in the Premier League, plays generally brilliantly, speaks so well of the club and has a fantastic attitude - but the latter is not a United player and the former is. Bizarre.
I know Brad was talking about fitting into the system, but it's still a quite unfair way to phrase it.
Anyway, I'm not even sure if there is such a thing as an archetypal United player anymore, different games require different players. In any case, Hernández is brilliant, but not the finished article.
I reckon this "not trusted" thing is being overhyped anyway, he's started 22 of our 29 league games. He's only really not played when we want to set up 4-5-1 away from home, meaning it's a formation and not form decision, or rested before a midweek game.
Vast majority of posters on this forum have a major issue about Rooney and what he did.
But they type of player I want is an in form Rooney over anyone. Because thats what gets results. He is our best player, bar none.
He clearly isn't "happy." He just isn't an asshole about it. See: Ole.
I'm not knocking him for the sake of it Brad, I'm being completely honest; everyone seems to think I have a intense dislike for him, I don't - I genuinely want him, as I do all United players, to succeed and prosper but I see glaring faults in him as I've stated from way back in about Oct/Nov 2008 if you do a search of Johnno's threads.
I have buzzed off the fact he scored a hat-trick versus the Dirties and scored five versus Blackburn, like everyone I was off the couch against Blackpool which was a truly inspiring performance but Brads, tell me mate; Cantona, Cole, Yorke, Ruud, Rooney, Ronaldo and Tevez all could do it in the big games, whether they be against Blackburn in the mid-nineties, Arsenal in the late nineties, Chelsea mid-2000's etc, how come the manager cannot even start Berbatov in these games or in big European games? He has managed one goal against Chelsea in a league match in Scolari's coffin-nailer which was a gratuitous third by the way, he hasn't done it against Arsenal or Chelsea when it matters, the hat-trick v Liverpool was against a very poor Liverpool side who were struggling.
Kevin Phillips and Marcus Stewart have led the Premiership top scorers list as well Brad at similar stages of the season in years gone by, would you have had them at United?
since it is pretty clear that fergie ws interested in david villa,
what would've happened to berba if he did sign with us? what was fergie's original plans for berba this season?
what would've happened to berba if he did sign with us? what was fergie's original plans for berba this season?
Agreed - Solskjaer was, and he was highly efficient and successful as is Hernandez but these players were from minor leagues for relatively small amounts and came to United as 'unknowns'.
We all knew of Berbatov before he came and certainly with his fee and reputation you'd expect much more than what we've had the past three seasons.
It's good he's showing his potential this year, but we've certainly not had a player to compare to the above examples, especially not for his fee...
Yeah so poor they scored twice against us, they obviously raise their game against us. Berbatov was brilliant, his second goal was a moment of genius. If it was just a very poor Liverpool side, why didn't Rooney score a hat trick? Berbatov was the stand out performer, don't need to take away from him.
You're stating Berbatov is right to be comfortably content sitting on the bench as a £30 million player, one who had played in a Champions League final and an established Premiership star compared to a lad who came from the Norwegian league as a complete unknown for £1 million?
Well Blackpool have scored twice against us, West Ham might go down but they beat us 4-0, Wolves beat us, Villa scored twice against us etc.
Liverpool scored a penalty and a crap free-kick against us, we were poor in that game if it wasn't for Berbatov's hat-trick (which was brilliant, I haven't detracted from that, I'm stating the goals were against the standard of opposition), and as for Rooney, well you tell me why he didn't score against Liverpool or fifteen other teams this year? I'd say his probs with Colleen seem to be it but I'm not a shrink.
And by your logic, if Berbatov could score three against Liverpool, five versus Blackburn etc, then why can't he score ONE versus Chelsea or Arsenal, riddle me that fella...
I am stating that Berbatov accepts the manager's decisions, and doesn't throw his toys out of the pram like a little cry baby bitch. Or "Tevez", if you like.
I know you hate Berbatov, but jesus...
I don't hate Berbatov, as I've stated in a response to Bradley above and it's good he doesn't throw his toys out the pram, but even you with your todger up Berb's hoop must agree for a player of his status, price-tag and ability it's rather odd he's consistently on the bench for the big games? I don't wanna hear 'but he doesn't fit our system for the big games'....why buy a player, especially for that money, who doesn't fit our formation or best style of play when it has been said he was bought to give us that certain aspect we were missing in the first place!!!
Tevez was a muppet, of course he was, but I'll continue to tell anyone if they ask me that I think Tevez was more of a United player, ie - suited our style of play, partnered our front players better and could win a game against big teams, than Berbatov has ever shown in his time at United.
Just for the record, I haven't brought this up, you did but I'll tell you the same I've always said about him. Now he's at City, of course I dislike him but it still doesn't, in my opinion, make me wrong about his ability...
Yes, you do.
Translation - "I wish we still had Tevez, Berbatov SUCKS!"
We know, Johnno. Change the fecking record.
Ding ding ding.
Easiest way to win an argument - Johnno loves Tevez which in turn get's everyone against Johnno meaning you feel less like my beeatch than I just made you because you know I'm right, you just don't wanna admit it. You know why, because he plays for City now, a fact which I also detest but his ability at United, and clearly now for City obviously show what a good consistent player he is and yes, I can admit with an open heart player wise, I would start Tevez over Berbatov alongside Rooney anyday.
Who do I like PERSONALLY is a different issue because I have absolutely no like for any City players at all, just as I dislike every Liverpool player because of my love for United, but I cannot sit there and lie to you and tell you what you want to hear because I believe, and it's just my opinion, that Berbatov isn't the right player for Man United.
So, let's assume that Sir Alex made a mistake - he thought that Berbatov could work alongside Rooney in every game, but that just won't work - I don't really know what that proves?
You've repeated the same thing over and over and over again in multiple threads to multiple people with very little change on your part - you're very sure of your opinion of Berbatov - so what is it you want by making that point repeatedly?
Is it a slight on Berbatov, a slight on Sir Alex or a slight on both? Does it prove we paid too much for him, or that we made a mistake buying him, or that he's being misused by Sir Alex, or that Sir Alex is being over-cautious with his big game tactics in general?
Tevez, Hernandez, Berbatez... 3 completely different players who have 1 common goal in that they aspire to score as many goals as possible and help the team.
The 3 of them perfect for United for completely unique reasons.
Why all the fighting guys ?
The 3 of them perfect for United for completely unique reasons.
Why all the fighting guys ?
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