Agree with this. It was a very good layoff.
Dimitar Berbatov | 2010/11 Performances
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Agree with this. It was a very good layoff.
He wasn't great, but he wasn't shit. You can name at least 5 other players that did ALOT less then him. I wish he'd step up more though. Should have taken that dotty. People talk about him being cool and calm, do it under the pressure Dimi.
Oh and his shots lacked Venom. He still seems to be struggling with confidence.
Oh and his shots lacked Venom. He still seems to be struggling with confidence.
Yes. If you doubt, name 6 forwards per big league, who are as natural at finishing as David Villa.
Not buying that
I think Fergie had Cantona in mind when he bought Berba. Not that he thought he was buying a Cantona replica but certainly a player with sublime skills who would add another dimension to the team and be an influence throughout - bringing the best out of others. There is one big difference, Berba doesn't seem to possess the confidence, arrogance even, that made Cantona such a great and influential player. Berba seems too much of an introvert.
Little bit of a red herring there Chief ! When one pays £30.75m for a striker you expect him to have a better goals per game ratio than 0.33. Chelsea has Drogba at 0.52 and Liverpool have Torres at 0.70. Put another way Berba gets a goal every three games whereas Torres gets one every 1.43 games and Drogba every 1.9 games. They are natural goalscorers.
We've had quite a few at United over the years the last being Ruud who had a phenomenal ratio of 0.63 or a goal every 1.57 games - a ratio he continued with Madrid.
The thing with Berba yesterday was that he had two maybe three clear cut chances and didn't put any of them away. There were other contributing factors to the result, of course, but you expect your main striker to be better than that..
You think Berbatov plays the same role as Drogba, Torres and Rudd? Really?
It's not ridiculous. It was an excellent lay off. The ball doesn't have to be passed forwards, or through the eye of a needle, to be classed as a good assist.
Scholes didn't have to break stride - it was clearly a good lay off.
Perhaps you'd care to define what his role is supposed to be?
No of course not ! Revealing in itself.
Think Sheringham not RvN.
Yes, and about as difficult to pull off as a two yard throw in. Granted, you see players make a mess of them now and then, but that doesn't mean those who don't deserve any credit if their team mate goes on and blasts it in from 25 yards.
Fair comparison from a role perspective, I suppose. Teddy played with some natural goalscorers though - Cole, Yorke and OGS. That could be part of the issue.
How many times do we lambast players for not making the right decision? (See Nani).... it might have been an easy pass that you'd expect him to make but the argument seems to be that he always just runs down an alley or turns into an opposition player, sure he does that sometimes but not all the time like some people would have you believe.
I think a lot of grief would be spared if people forgot the £31M price tag and any expectation that Berbatov's going to get 20+ league goals. Nice lay back for Scholes by the way - get the weight wrong or the direction a bit off and it's not a shooting chance.
I only wish people could look beyond price tags. The obsession fans seem to have with transfer fees is something I just can't understand.
Talking of red herrings. Berbatov doesn't play the same role either of those 2 plays and neither does he play as many games. As I said before, most strikers are not natural goals scorers or natural finishers either.
A ratio only Cristiano Ronaldo,a winger equaled. Not any of our other strikers which include the considerable talents of Rooney.
At this stage of the season, you dont expect such things from a player who isn't a natural goals scorer. Plain and simple. Doing so is looking for trouble for the sake of it.
Bingo
This
He is a consistently creative striker. Always has been. It not his fault that only Rooney consistently scores goals for us.
Wrong. Ronaldo has always been a winger. Just like Messi is a winger who scores a loads of goals. No central striker around plays like a Ronaldo or a Messi.
He wont ever be one. What he can be is a consistent goals core ala Henry. But a natural one, never. Natural ones need few chances to score and don't need form to find the net. That is why they are rare indeed.
There is absolutely nothing with the Rooney- Berbatov partnership. Our problem with goals are a team problem. As unit we simply don't consistently score enough in midfield and from set pieces.
Having C. Ronaldo around + Tevez at one point, masked this problem for years. To make it worse our goal scorer in chief is a streak forward.
I was dead serious. The season is 2 games old yet you are expecting 15 games in form. Mo-rover from someone who isn't a Ruud type goal scorer or finisher.
Messi is certainly not a winger, nor has he ever been one. I'd take Giggs as a Winger or Nani, but Messi plays far too forward and never tracks back enough to be considered a winger which is reserved for a midfielder.
I'd take him as a winged-forward, but even then he cuts in enough to be a second striker or "shadow striker" if you want FM-like terms.
In my opinion
It is a total myth that a winger should be able to track back. A winger's job has always been to keep the opposing fullback and defence busy. Plus to get amongst the goals if he can. It's only in Britain where tracking back is considered so important.
Ronaldo and Messi are very much wingers. Just like Garincha of old.
No, I don't want FM terms.
IndeedIn my opinion
IMO Berbatov wasthe best player over the last two games. in both games he played much further on the pitch than he used to and he didn't hesitate to take a shot on goal. i was very impressed with him.
I'm not biased. I'm not talking about the fulham game. I'm talking about his contribution over a the whole two years he's been here.
He is a very average player. The question you have to ask yourself is if we were to sell Berbatov today, how much of the £30m would we recoup? Less than £10m I would guess.
This is missing the whole point of the thread.
I don't understand the accusations of "bias"? Bias towards berbatov? Why? I don't know him personally. I have nothing against the guy. No one would love to see him become a world beater more than me, but after 2years of contributing very little to our team I've given up hope.
We only won one of those 4 games you mentioned. Hardly the stuff of a match winner.
It was 0.68 actually
Hardly the point I was making, was it?
You said he makes a difference in tight games. Yet we lost to burnely and everton so I cant see how he contributed.
What part of "making a difference" are you struggling to understand?
A problem I percieve with Berbatov is that unlike many top strikers he doesn't seem to come alive in the box. With most strikers you can tell that they know they're in the area but Berbatov doesn't seem to really change which I think is a bad thing.
I was happy with Berbatov's performance yesterday. It wasn't great, it was a 7/10 performance but given that he maintained being the focal point of the attack, continued showing his dynamism in and around the box and was our best player aside from Scholes. Can't argue against how he did.
Bringing up the price tag and using that as the argument for him not performing sometimes is crazy. By that logic surely you expect Man City to win the league? SAF payed over the top. He was desperate and payed 10m too much.
So far in these three games Berbatov has been the best alongside Scholes and that was also the case during pre-season.
I'm just gonna put it out there and call all you people stupid who blame him for the price tag. You really should think a little bit and put thing into perspective.
So far in these three games Berbatov has been the best alongside Scholes and that was also the case during pre-season.
I'm just gonna put it out there and call all you people stupid who blame him for the price tag. You really should think a little bit and put thing into perspective.
Berbatov bashing is beyond the point of being embarrassing, those expecting him to score 20+ and run around chasing the ball back like a Smith/Tevez are the same kind of fans who would have you believe a prime Terry or Butcher is a better a defender than a prime Ferdinand or Nesta. It all comes to down to footballing preferences, some like to see desire, determination and effort whereas others (myself included) much prefer the technical skill based side of football.
Rooney is our main goalscorer, the team is built around the fact he can get us 20-30+ goals a season. Berbatov and now hopefully Hernandez are expected to chip in with 10-20 a season as a secondary source of goals. If you look at Berbatov's positions and main areas of possession in a game over the last 3 years its clear to see he hasn't been asked to be the type of player who receives the ball back to goal, holds it, lays and bombs into the box. His job is to create space, retain possession in difficult attacking areas of the pitch ( a job he is very good at, not often do you see him barged off the ball ) and release the ball to our wingers or an advancing midfielder and with the space created by a run or a full back having to go out wide to a winger Berbatov is then able to drift into the free areas. The problem we have is that we don't have a midfielder making those runs, opening up gaps. Scholes has tried to remedy this lately, a lot more than he has done in previous years, which has seen Berbatov's performances improve.
Rooney is our main goalscorer, the team is built around the fact he can get us 20-30+ goals a season. Berbatov and now hopefully Hernandez are expected to chip in with 10-20 a season as a secondary source of goals. If you look at Berbatov's positions and main areas of possession in a game over the last 3 years its clear to see he hasn't been asked to be the type of player who receives the ball back to goal, holds it, lays and bombs into the box. His job is to create space, retain possession in difficult attacking areas of the pitch ( a job he is very good at, not often do you see him barged off the ball ) and release the ball to our wingers or an advancing midfielder and with the space created by a run or a full back having to go out wide to a winger Berbatov is then able to drift into the free areas. The problem we have is that we don't have a midfielder making those runs, opening up gaps. Scholes has tried to remedy this lately, a lot more than he has done in previous years, which has seen Berbatov's performances improve.
he scored the only goal against the Toffies and was argualby our best player on that day. Shame the rest of the team was below par.
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