You want a break when you say you are happy with the point and he was one of our better players in that game you were happy to get a point out of?
At least wait till he has a stinker to come in with agenda posts.
Dimitar Berbatov | 2010/11 Performances
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You want a break when you say you are happy with the point and he was one of our better players in that game you were happy to get a point out of?
At least wait till he has a stinker to come in with agenda posts.
I said he had a decent first half. Nothing more.
And my opinion of him is not based on one performance.
No, I don't think anyone is. I think people are saying he started well, then faded, got frustrated and stopped passing a bit. There's a massive difference between blaming him and saying he didn't do well in the last 20 or so.
It's fecking amazing how one can't just make a simple observation without some idiots jumping down their throat.
This is a Berbatov thread, that's why IT IS HE who is being discussed here and not O'Shea or Evans.
Get it?
Um. Take a look at the thread title. This one is actually about Berbatov
Your point?
I like Berbatov.
I think my point was that people will be discussing Berbatov in the Berbatov thread. You seem to have a problem with that.
You shouldn't.
Or, you should head off to another thread.
Well my point was that all he's contributed to the site was a series of post criticising a player who set up our goal and bar that was no worse than many others.
Not sure exactly what the feck that has to do with you.
Not sure exactly what the feck that has to do with you.
Just thought you were being a cnut. Called you out on it.
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i am one of his biggest detractors on here, dating back to almost a year before he signed with us, but I think he did quite well today even though he didn't score. He was more active, was more greedy in his shooting, I can't find faults with him today. Sure it wasn't a 30 million quid performance, but we'll never get that level from him so compared to what he has shown in his united career so far, these first couple games seem to show that he has a different mentality this season.
Passing the ball to a position 25 yards away from goal isn't an assist. That goal was all Scholesy.
It would be akin to claiming Anderson set up this goal. YouTube - Cristiano Ronaldo amazing goal against Porto
Look I have never been a berbatov fan. I said on this forum before he joined us that he was too slow and wouldn't score enough goals to justify his price tag. After the transfer went through I supported him like I would any new signing but after two seasons where he has disappointed the majority of United fans I feel like I am entitled to criticise him if I feel he is under performing.
That one takes the biscuit. Great strike but, that's a ball laid on a platter for him to have a go. Now it all makes sense.
It was an obvious straight forward pass. Lets not get carried away.
Sometimes I think people should have a license to use the internet.
The pass didnt make it easy to be honest because of the spin he put on it. However its definitely his assist, and it was Berbatov's speed of thought more than anything that created the oppertunity for Scholes to hit it.
Seeing as it was Scholes striking it, he was always more likely to be able to control his shot better than most, spin or no. But its testament to his striking ability really.
Seeing as it was Scholes striking it, he was always more likely to be able to control his shot better than most, spin or no. But its testament to his striking ability really.
I think you've tipped me over the edge.
Carried away? It was an assist - it was a setup for our opening goal - it wasn't spectacular setup but, it was an assist nonetheless. It wasn't a fluke assist like Rooney's last week or the assist that Obertan got for Owen's 3rd goal against Wolfburg (that he ran from the half way line) but, it was a well played ball.
You seem to be the one trying to find ways to put down the contribution.
You're the one clutching at straws.
So was Anderson's pass to ronaldo an assist as well?
YouTube - Cristiano Ronaldo amazing goal against Porto
Well the fact it was unlike him should be a good point. Many people complained he wasn't clinical, and he's trying to do so. It takes being selfish to be clinical.
Are you seriously going to sit there and debate what an assist is in order to detract from the contribution?
Not every assist is a pass that results in an umissable chance. This was a well played pass that allowed Scholes to get a strike on target. Scholes strike was very good no doubt. If you are going to continue to debate for the sake of it, keep at it, every time you do it, it puts less credibility on anything you post.
No I'm not.
I've said my piece and obviously you disagree. I'm sure you think Berbatov has been a great signing and that he is some misunderstood genius. We are going round in circles so I think we should just leave it.
Its been unlike him, till he got a new striker to play next to.
And single-mindedness is a good quality if it leads to you scoring important goals. He didnt. Had he have done so with one of the times he opted out of playing in Hernandez, then good on him. But you've got to make it count and to show it wasnt the wrong option. Ideally you'd do a bit of both. Show you're trying to find your team mate who is in the better position in the box, but also have a solo effort or two if you think you're going to score that way.
Am still trying to think of a shot he took when Chicha was better placed. Angrily deleted the game so can't go back.
For me towards the end of last season started seeing him take on more shots than he had previously - times he'd look to build up the play more, saw him take a pop. He's certainly not the type to pass on an opportunity to play in someone - he usually talks about how he enjoys creating goals as much if not more than scoring them.
Don't think it is wise to always in hindsight think well he missed that time so he should have passed it instead because there was an option. For a striker especially, if the shot is on - you want them to take it usually. I could be mistaken but, there wasn't a blatant case today of where he took a shot on target where instead a pass would have resulted in a lot better opportunity.
For me towards the end of last season started seeing him take on more shots than he had previously - times he'd look to build up the play more, saw him take a pop. He's certainly not the type to pass on an opportunity to play in someone - he usually talks about how he enjoys creating goals as much if not more than scoring them.
Don't think it is wise to always in hindsight think well he missed that time so he should have passed it instead because there was an option. For a striker especially, if the shot is on - you want them to take it usually. I could be mistaken but, there wasn't a blatant case today of where he took a shot on target where instead a pass would have resulted in a lot better opportunity.
I thought Berbs had a header which was heading for the back of the net if it wasn't for Scholes.
You are so biased. Berbatov had a good game. Is he a great signing? I'd setle for good signing for now. Is he a misunderstood genius? Yes. Whether he fits our style of play is a different question, but no one would deny him being a class act as a player.
Boats passed on that one for sure. But he has had a good start to the season so lets see what he can do each week.You have no understanding of the game if you believe that statement.
Watch the goal again.
The weight of the lay back was perfect for Scholes not to have to break stride or take a touch - he was able to come onto it and strike it immediately. Perfect lay back.
Plenty of times, you'll see a player touch it off at the edge of the box and it'll be either be too short and the shooter will subsequently have to stretch for it, subsequently being put off balance, or the lay back will be too heavy and a touch will be required before the shot.
Excellent lay off by Berbatov.
Oh come on. I understand the need to praise him with all the unfair criticism he gets, but this is ridiculous.
Se this is why the opinion of people like you is of no worth, your bias makes it impossible for you to see any positives.
I actually agree with a lot of what you said, he can be frustrating to watch but he can also contribute, to listen to you you'd think all he does is run down blind alleys, as the pass to Scholes proves that's not the case.
For me, yesterday was typical Berba. Some of the usual lovely touches and a nice set up for Scholes' goal. Then two, perhaps three, missed chances which perhaps he should have buried, plus a miscontrol when put through in the box. For me he remains an enigmatic luxury. Apart from anything else he's just not a natural goalscorer and that's a bit of a problem if you are essentially a striker.
I couldn't be arced reading back so asked a question because of the tone of some posts at the time. Wind your fecking neck in, penis.
Most strikers are not natural goal scorers.
He had a very good first 30 minutes, then non existant for the rest of the game. He's improving, but his ability to drift in and out of games is very frustrating. Hopefully he continues to improve.
Really? Most?
He should have had a couple yesterday, made their keeper look better than he was.
I think what most people are looking for though is a player with his talent to turn a game which is not going our way. He definitely has the ability. But as yet over the last 2 years I have not seen him change a game on his own. All his best moments have come in games when we are comfortable. Some will say that is asking too much but I don’t think so. As a playmaker and forward that is his job. Was he not purchased to be a difference maker, especially in tight games? To create something out of the blue when it really matters. He was meant to be our new Eric. A daunting tag yes, but why is it unreasonable to expect a similar input? They actually have a quite similar repertoire of talents.
I thought he was excellent last week and again for the 1st half hour yesterday. But when did we need him the most? We need him to lift the rest of the team when we are not playing well. I still believe he can become a key player for us. But until he consistently performs and uses his talent to turn games the criticism and doubts will continue.
I thought he was excellent last week and again for the 1st half hour yesterday. But when did we need him the most? We need him to lift the rest of the team when we are not playing well. I still believe he can become a key player for us. But until he consistently performs and uses his talent to turn games the criticism and doubts will continue.
He has made a difference in tight games though.
there's a myth being peddled round on here that he only scores goals in games where we're comfortable but that's all it is, a myth. Obviously, the bulk of his goals come in those games because the bulk of the teams goals come in those games. Thankfully, we don't struggle in many games each season, so there's actually very few chances for a striker to score in games when we're up against the wall.
Off the top of my head, looking at last season, I can think of the scissor-kick that broke the dead-lock against Blackburn (when we were really struggling) the opening goal against Sunderland (when they were kicking our arse) and the first goal against Everton (in a game where we were out-played worse than in any other fixture all season) He also made a massive difference coming off the bench against Burnley, turning us from completely toothless into a constant threat.
I think it's fair to accuse Berbatov of not performing against top class opposition. This isn't helped by Fergie playing Rooney on his own but Berbatov has played in some of our biggest games and has rarely been very influential. I think it's unfair, though, to accuse him of never being the difference in tough games against 'lesser' teams (e.g. like yesterday) because that's simply not true.
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