I think when you pay 30 million you expect a player to stand up and be counted and the way he faded when things went against us was very telling. Saying that he did start brightly and as our midfield also seemed to fade maybe a lack of service could be used as an excuse.
Dimitar Berbatov | 2010/11 Performances
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Chill your beans man. It's the second game.
uninspired? why?
Our defence was poor I agree and should shoulder alot of blame but a bit of magic from a 30 million pound striker could have pulled it round and when things are running against us he never looks like pulling things round he just disappears. Hopefully he can turn things round because he obviously has the quality but today again at an important point it was missing.
Right. And if the CAF say he was great, then he had a poor game.
That's not what I said at all.
It's just that often he gets poor ratings when he's done okay. The fact that he's escape the ire of the spastics today would imply to me that he's been one of our better players, hence no one can find anything much to criticise him with.
He was one of or best players today. If others had been up to his standard, we'd have fared better.
Can't be arsed with you mate, sorry.
It's just another stock response.
We conceded two really crap goals defensively. If we had done our jobs properly - specifically Evra and Vidic - then we'd be celebrating three points.
In no way, shape or form is this Berbatov's fault.
Terrific assist for Scholes as well.
I don't understand how he can pull the strings if he's not getting the service? Dropping deep is one of the main critisisms of him during his time here. He was in the right areas of the pitch to make an impact, we just had a problem in the 2nd half supplying him and Hernandez. There's enough in that first half to suggest a vastly improved Berbatov though.
Yep.
Will you stop with this shock response rubbish, I gave my opinion I thought he faded badly when things went against us, he started the game well there is no doubt about that but when we needed him to create a bit in the second half he was gone. Defence was shocking I agree with that but its unusual, if you look at the last couple of years, for them as a unit and individually to play so badly.
Berbatov is clearly a class player, but I don't half reckon he slows our attacks down.
Good thing is, he is improving. The goals haven't come yet, granted, but I am liking alot of what I see from him these days.
Just wish he had that extra spark of sharpness. A few times today agaisnt Fulham he just slowed us right down.
Good thing is, he is improving. The goals haven't come yet, granted, but I am liking alot of what I see from him these days.
Just wish he had that extra spark of sharpness. A few times today agaisnt Fulham he just slowed us right down.
It's not just Berbatov's responsibility to create.
Every time it goes slightly tits up, it's the first thing everyone says, "Oh Berbatov, £30m, should be a bit more inspirational than that."
Football doesn't work like that - he needs a good midfield performance to service him, just like every other striker in the world.
The failings lie with the backline and, to a lesser extent, the midfield.
Berba always gets that sad puppy/frustrated look on his face when it's not going well. Other players seem to get more determined. Whenever I see that face, I don't think he'll be producing much in the match.
He's 2 in 3 this season, and bloody unlucky not to have notched today.
Except that he produced a great assist today, and was denied by a terrific save on another occasion.
No, they don't. It's a ridiculous over generalization.
Try to read what I wrote again and see if you can understand how you didn't just make a counter argument
Well, actually, yes they do.
Go and have a look through every Berbatov thread on this site for evidence.
The implication is:
- His body language wasn't great. Stock response? Check.
- He doesn't have a United mentality like other players. Stock response? Check.
- His body language was poor in this match, he didn't produce much. Stock response? Check.
There isn't really a lot of ambiguity in what you said.
Well, considering you just said "everyone" that means you do to. And me. Of course, I've never said that. Once. So, that takes two out of your "everyone" over generalization.
Get the point yet?
Try "some." Or "a few" Because it's not even close to "many"
Football works like that if a really quality player (which I believe Berbatov is, skillwise) as the desire to turns things round. We have seen that with Cantona, Ronaldo and Rooney etc.
Yeah, fair enough, but you know full well what I mean and you're just being a pedantic arse, aren't you?
So, no, you didn't get it.
Try actually reading the entire meaning of a sentence and not just picking out what you'd like to respond to.
It's called "out of context" and now I'm understanding your bizarre obsession and lack of comprehension in this thread.
But there will have been plenty of times where Cantona, Ronaldo and Rooney etc. have failed to pull something out of the fire as well.
We can't get a last minute winner every week!
We lost two points because we defended a set-piece poorly in the 89th minute. That's got nothing to do with inspiration...
I'm actually just fecking with you because you're being ridiculous.
You're not allowing anyone to make their point, being cnuty about it and pulling out pathetic over generalizations to not make a point.
It's a discussion board and you are doing the opposite.
So are you saying that you weren't implying that his body language ended up being poor today?
In which case, why did you bother posting what you did?
Sorry, but there's nowt wrong with my comprehension. It's as clear as day what you meant.
I just took issue with what you said. You said:
If I've misunderstood what you meant, then can you please clear up the ambiguity?
What did you mean by the aforementioned statement?
Put there where/are plenty of occassions when they did, Berbatov not so at this moment in time. I think there is a world class player in there which is the frustration, it must be a mental thing with him. Anyway hopefully things will change for him.
You're reading what you want to. IMO, he played well, then drifted off and turned into a sad little puppy wandering about with that frustrated look on his face. And once you see that look, you can be sure he won't be doing much. And he didn't.
Of course, you can and will blame that on the defense, or the mid-field, or whatever else you want to. I saw a player who was taking too much time on the ball, not passing to others and unable to get his head on the ball. Tale of two halves. Second one was shit - but again, nothing to do with him in your opinion. In your world, he was a 10 running around amongst a bunch of 5's. Is that is?
Is that what your obsessive nonsense is about?
Or could be have fallen off a bit as everyone in the world seems to think but you?
He's started the season as well as any United player, with the exception of Scholes, who has been on another level.
I'd say that things have already changed.
Well, do you know what "when it's not going well" means?
We shipped a goal in the 89th minute, thanks to shite defending.
That has sweet fa to do with Berbatov apparently descending into puppy-dog mode.
We'd have gotten the result today if Vidic/Evra, on the individual goals that we conceded, had done their jobs.
This game today is definitely not an example of Berbatov's head dropping/him having a poor attitude, yet you've still managed to crow bar it into this thread.
You really cant handle anything being said about your favourite player can you. Diddums.
But why mention it today then? It clearly wasn't applicable today, so why trot out the same old tired cliche?
I don't have favourite players mate.
I rail against people being Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime against any United player...
You'll frequently see me defending the likes of Carrick and O'Shea as well. Presumably, they're also my favourite players?
Are people really attempting to blame Berbatov for us not winning today?
What you laughing at Chief, bring your points to the board.
It would appear that some people are trying to at least load a little bit of the blame onto him.
Cant say I've ever seen you go above and beyond or try to deflect criticism from them. Maybe you just have a reasonable argument, and those players deserve to be "defended" when you do so.
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