That was an ordinary euro for him but he will escape criticism.
Declan Rice | Arsenal £105m player
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to talk about United's dreadful home defeat at the hands of Big Ange's Tottenham Hotspur. Should this have been the end of Ten Hag? How long does he actually have left? And does Nik finally want ETH out?!
He was terrible tonight and most of the tournament
Absolutely criminal header with that much time to place it. And his general play all tournament was forgettable.
Kane’s heir apparent as the almost man.
I said at the start we have too many players like him and Kane, we have a spine of them.
He's a destroyer DM in Southgate's system and nothing more, he did his job fine for the most part? At Arsenal he has a more expansive role.
In Arsenal he has other players to do most of the work for him. He doesn't need to be good with the ball as much.
He’s a good player but it’s very obvious where his ceiling is.
This.
So, are people going to start to listen to what I’ve said? This is just some average player. Nothing more. Can run. That is pretty much that. 100m? West Ham still laughing at that price.
Don’t watch Arsenal but utter tripe in an England shirt. Useless cnut, absolutely nothing player.
So others do most of the work for him but he also doesn't need to be good with the ball. What does he himself do then exactly?
He isn’t a 6, but England will continue to play him as one because of a lack of options.
Arteta realized half way through the season that he wasn’t one and introduced Jorginho so sit deeper and be more disciplined. He is at his best as an 8 and given license to get forward.
Arteta realized half way through the season that he wasn’t one and introduced Jorginho so sit deeper and be more disciplined. He is at his best as an 8 and given license to get forward.
McTominay without the goals.
One of them tournaments where he looks like when John OShea played centre mid
Not much. Defensively hes very good though, on the ball he offers little to nothing.
He's a good player but has clear limitations in the DM role, a role he doesn't play for his club.
Southgate really botched the midfield throughout the tournament.
Southgate really botched the midfield throughout the tournament.
People finally coming around to how overrated and shite he is 
You could see the clear gap between him and the Spanish midfielders even Zubimendi coming off the bench has far more technical ability and passing range, no wonder Europeans laugh at the price tag of English players.
So poor AGAIN.
He's like the worst great player.
Bad mouth him all you want. But at Arsenal and under Arteta he is used as a hybrid 6/8 and we get elite levels of performance from him.
Definitely would not give back the 100m if it meant losing Rice.
Definitely would not give back the 100m if it meant losing Rice.
He didn't have a great tournament but was far from being the worst England player (hi Harry, hi Phil). No doubt he will improve as soon as the FA employ anyone with a brain.
You would've saved 100m by just keeping Xhaka around honestly but that's not really a slight on Rice.
Twice Rice, baby! (I'm an embittered Irishman)
Football is also played out of possession. Not everything is about passing and breaking the lines. There were times Mainoo was outmuscled of the ball and manhandled by the Spanish midfield.
Rice is a much better player than Xhaka.
Anyways, like I said, Rice at Arsenal is a different animal.
Hopefully we sign Merino and pair him with Rice in a double pivot with Saliba and Gabriel behind them, White and Calafiori on the flanks. If you thought our defence was good last year, wait until you see Arsenal put of possesion this year!!
He actually does not. His on the ball quality is vastly overated by his fans
Looked like an absolute clogger
He's not very good in the buildup. Probably why Arteta tweaked his role to use his abilities better. Getting the ball off the defence he just looks awkward as hell. He turns at about 0.001mph.
I don't remember him being as sluggish as last night.
Crap again. It's an issue that needs addressed. Think he's used better at club level.
He’s a pretty good player but not a great one and not the sort of DM I prefer. You really need the rest of the team to be at a certain (very high) level of quality on the ball to compensate. Wasn’t even that good defensively in the final and that’s supposed to be his strength.
Debatable given you played more fluid football the previous season with Xhaka before collectively shitting yourselves in the run in, and Xhaka himself went on to accomplish something this past season Rice would dream of one day matching.
Just go back 7-8 pages and you see lots of Arse fans laughing and settling scores by quoting his detractors.
Players of his quality is a dime a dozen, it’s the combination of availability + age + being English that elevated his profile. Cog in a machine, pretty reliable one at that, but absolutely not the decisive factor in any side he plays for.
Players of his quality is a dime a dozen, it’s the combination of availability + age + being English that elevated his profile. Cog in a machine, pretty reliable one at that, but absolutely not the decisive factor in any side he plays for.
He is better than he has shown in this tournament, but that could apply to about 80% of the English players. I was expecting him to be more of a reliable, reassuring presence though --- all felt a bit helter skelter from him. But again, this can apply to several English players, many of whom looked like creaky, ungainly minivans compared to the ferraris they look like at club level.
I thought he was a much better player. Had a poor tournament overall
As I keep saying though, it wasn't as simple as Rice in Xhaka out. And we might have played more fluid football, but all the main measurables like points achieved, goals scored, goals conceded were all better last season. Think I'd take that.
Throughout this tournament he played exactly like the player he is.