I mean I could be wrong. Been wrong before. But I’ve spent the last 15 years watching guys like Badstuber, Boateng and Hummels passing from the back. They were easily a class above him in that regard.
De Ligt | €45+5m agreement reached pending medical | Signed!
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So we're buying a slow, injury prone, ugly, fat man who can't pass the ball or tackle? He's also poor in the air and isn't a leader because English is a second language. Also, don't forget that he's been sold by Juventus and Bayern (ignore that when Juventus sold him it was to Bayern, and also that Bayern have too many high earners now, currently in a transitional phase with a new manager etc).
And he's coming here because we'll give him a pay hike? Shocking, I thought we were done wi - ah wait, he's taking a pay cut?! Obviously he doesn't think much of himself then, does he? This has red flags wrapped all around it.
Seriously though. If he gets injured then, fair enough, I can understand the criticism. He's had a couple of bad knee injuries but the worst one left him out for just over a month. I genuinely think that it's a concern but not as bad as some might think - although I understand the fear because we've been burned before. But as for everything else; some of you lot will complain no matter who we sign.
And he's coming here because we'll give him a pay hike? Shocking, I thought we were done wi - ah wait, he's taking a pay cut?! Obviously he doesn't think much of himself then, does he? This has red flags wrapped all around it.
Seriously though. If he gets injured then, fair enough, I can understand the criticism. He's had a couple of bad knee injuries but the worst one left him out for just over a month. I genuinely think that it's a concern but not as bad as some might think - although I understand the fear because we've been burned before. But as for everything else; some of you lot will complain no matter who we sign.
I believe Bayern need to balance their books and he's a high earner. At least the optimist in me says so.
So Bayern and/or their new manager want rid to make way for who, Eric Dier? So much so that we're getting a "cut-price" deal. No pace. Iffy injury record. Average passing.
And people are giddy about this?
And people are giddy about this?
Can’t even get in the Dutch team over this de Vrij nobody. Loan with option to buy for 30m is a fair deal for me. Needs to prove himself before we buy another dud from the German league.
I pray he stays fit. But we have a knack for making players injured.
Even after missing 20 games with injury last season?
A nobody who has been Serie A defender of the year and is a very well respected player for Inter? That nobody?
For the people who worry about his pace, he seems to have the anticipation and positional sense to make this less of a worry. There's a compilation of him against Vini Jr where this is evident. Not saying it won't ever be an issue but if he can pocket one of the best wingers in the world then its a positive for what he'll come up against in the prem.
He plays in Italy where even Smalling looks passable. Not a good look for De Ligt if he’s meant to actually be a good player. Likely another dud from the German league.
This. Add to that he was really instrumental in our last massively successful season. Like RvP pretty much payed off his transfer fee in his debut season alone.
22 league games, 6 in the CL and a couple of cup games then it's topped up with international appearances.
Got a fat dad.
Do not want.
Lol only joking he's great.
Do not want.
Lol only joking he's great.
His freekick against Arsenal was worth the fee alone!
The injury issues aren't the worrying thing for me. It's that every time I saw him for Juventus, which was a lot, he looked bad. A very clumsy defender. I don't know how he's been at Bayern as I don't watch them, so he could have improved, but I thought he was overhyped at Ajax and just plain bad at Juve.
What are his defensive aerial stats like? We will desperately need to replace Varane's aerial dominance in the box, because Lisandro ain't it.
He is right.how have you watched De Ligt and came to the conclusion that he's an average passer
Successfull passes are easy if you mostly pass it 5m to your closest team mate.
I dont know the stats but he is easily our best defender in the air, in defense and in offense.
I don't really know why we're arguing over his passing, that's not why we're buying him. Varane wasn't particularly expansive, but was still out best defender - when fit.
Especially on offense. He's a real weapon at offensive set pieces.
Is he really any better than a revitalized Maguire?
You seem weirdly determined to call him a dud from the German league...
Well in our case that is a rarity at Old Trafford, so he will be an instant hero.
Is there no other CB we could be spending 50m on? I’m not all that convinced about this one. Reminds me a bit of jones/maguire.
Just acutely aware of our history of buying players from there. Hence why a loan would be best for us and Bayern get his wages gone for a year. If he’s good enough we’ll buy him next year.
Makes sense to me.
Jesus. That’s some abysmal football knowledge there man.
Why isn't he starting for Holland?
De Vrij is a very good player but De Ligt has also fallen behind both Ake and Timber in the Dutch pecking order and that has been true under both Koeman and Van Gaal. He hasn't been a regular starter since the 2020/2021 Euros.
The Dutch often playing three at the back is likely part of the issue: VVD is going to be the center man in that kind of defense and you want the outside CBs to be mobile and comfortable carrying the ball and passing forward, which aren't De Ligt's strengths. De Ligt is a more natural fit for the middle role that is probably VVD's until he retires.
The Dutch often playing three at the back is likely part of the issue: VVD is going to be the center man in that kind of defense and you want the outside CBs to be mobile and comfortable carrying the ball and passing forward, which aren't De Ligt's strengths. De Ligt is a more natural fit for the middle role that is probably VVD's until he retires.
Why isn’t Palmer starting for England? Why isn’t Branthwaite even in the squad?
Managers have their favourites, plus De Vrij is a very good player.
We're not spending 50m on him though.
Obviously, if no other clubs are openly interested it means that we need to stay away from him. Strategy of a 4 year old deciding which toys they find interesting is the best approach for running a football club.
Palmer and Branthwaite have newly burst on the scene, I think they've both had their first years as regular starters for the respective clubs. De Ligt has been around for a while and has fallen out of favour everywhere he's been. It's very different.
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PSG are interested, so that will appease some people.
Ok, I’m staying out of this thread
Who's that?
I think because they probably have the best defensive depth in the whole tournament, at centre back at least, and he's had the most disrupted season of all the players.
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