The Bayern fans are pretty upset at the prospect of selling him but of course he’s not good enough for our team that currently has only one quality central defender.
De Ligt | €45+5m agreement reached pending medical | Signed!
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He's actually not slow and even at Bayern he's shown the ability to go 1v1 against a very quick and tricky player in Vinicius Junior. The brief highlights below give a glimpse of his channel defending and he's a aggressive player and will defend proactively on the front foot. The only thing I can't assess is his injuries and that's something that will fall on Dan Ashworth.
And here's Thierry Henry giving Nesta and Cannavaro the run around during Euro 2000 final. This is a good example of bigger space opening up hence top class CBs struggle to contain a talent like Henry. I don't think there's a Thierry Henry in the league EPL right now.
And here's Thierry Henry giving Nesta and Cannavaro the run around during Euro 2000 final. This is a good example of bigger space opening up hence top class CBs struggle to contain a talent like Henry. I don't think there's a Thierry Henry in the league EPL right now.
For people that will inevitably whine about the fee if this deal happens:
Two very similar profiles in Dias and Maguire went for £65m and £80m respectively, when they were a similar age to de Ligt now, and those deals happened half a decade ago. De Ligt himself changed clubs for over £65m twice in the last 5 years. Centre halves have generally become very expensive since the van Dijk transfer in early 2018, and if a deal gets done now for somewhere between £40-50m, and with reasonable wages as well (there's a lot of space on our wage bill right now), then I'd consider this to be a low-risk, potentially high-reward transfer. The amounts that clubs tend to demand for their best players and biggest prospects these days needs to be considered. Teenagers from South America can easily go for 20-50 million, and most of the talents in Europe that play at clubs with no real need to sell (so mostly PL clubs) are being quoted for close to, or over triple digits these days.
Hopefully, he would be one of two centre half arrivals, though.
Two very similar profiles in Dias and Maguire went for £65m and £80m respectively, when they were a similar age to de Ligt now, and those deals happened half a decade ago. De Ligt himself changed clubs for over £65m twice in the last 5 years. Centre halves have generally become very expensive since the van Dijk transfer in early 2018, and if a deal gets done now for somewhere between £40-50m, and with reasonable wages as well (there's a lot of space on our wage bill right now), then I'd consider this to be a low-risk, potentially high-reward transfer. The amounts that clubs tend to demand for their best players and biggest prospects these days needs to be considered. Teenagers from South America can easily go for 20-50 million, and most of the talents in Europe that play at clubs with no real need to sell (so mostly PL clubs) are being quoted for close to, or over triple digits these days.
Hopefully, he would be one of two centre half arrivals, though.
I feel like our biggest problem last year was our starting two defenders were always injured. We can afford to carry Martinez because he’s so good but replacing his injury prone partner with another is suicide. He missed 20 games last season and then in 20/21 he missed almost 30 games! Regardless of the two much better seasons in between that clearly shows he’s not reliable
His quality cannot be doubted however
His quality cannot be doubted however
You are entitled to your opinion and I am not here to change it. In my eyes he's not elite level which is what we are paying for, and likely not to be even just below that tier. Mount was also in the TOTS the prior season before dropping out, by the way.
No, you don't understand. Literally nothing can be positive when it comes to Utd.
De Ligt isn't slow at all. Stop making me promote him.
I told you Malacia and Antony would be cack, I'm always right.
Ok I also said Martinez would be too small.
I told you Malacia and Antony would be cack, I'm always right.
Ok I also said Martinez would be too small.
I'm probably from a different school of thought. If you missed 22 games or whatever it was due to injury in your last season, you're prone to injury.
Maybe I am being harsh here but we have too many sick notes in the side now, I really want sure things as transfers.
That being said I'm pro de Ligt as long as we get another cb too.
Yes this deosn't make sense me.
But I also agree we need another CB and seems the club do too hence they are taking UEFA to court to get Todibo over the line and still pursuing Brainthwaite
Agreed, I remember overlooking comments back when Tuchel was benching him and the manager was being criticized. Feels like he had less game time due to not being in favor compared to a disregard of his ability / performance levels likely why the Bayern fans are discontent.
I would be worried about De Ligt not having certainty about who his defensive partner would be but with Martinez provisionally it looks solid, a case where both can actually defend with Lisandro being effective playing from the back.
Forget all that. Buying expensive big names that don't fit what we need is just what we do.
So, over the past 5 years, he’s missed one more game than Varane? And he’s just about to join United, where even non-injury-prone players seemingly get injured weekly? Yikes!
"Injury prone" quite literally means "often injured". Not "being injured once".
Just because there's a higher chance of him getting done in a 1v1, than van Dijk or Saliba, that doesn't mean he's slow or unable to play in the Premier League. Using that metric, there's only a handful of good defenders in the football world.
Can’t make this shit up. We all see how was it with Varane, but this time will be different.
Never said he was elite, I am asking you how someone having a poor season at 19/20years of age in a new league means they are not good? Especially when they showed they are a top defender in the proceeding seasons?
"Everyone calls that colour black, but i decided that it is actually yellow. Threfore, yellow is correct."To be fair, you can’t just edit the English language to suit yourself
Just can't get excited over this. Surely there are better prospects for cheaper out there?
Genuinely think many in this forum would have turned down a 24 year old Jaap Stam based on his attributes.
He looks like a heavily built lad, not dissimilar to Amrabat... and we know how slow he is. I'm sure he looked leaner years ago? Either way, he's a good defender when he's fit and on it, and worth a gamble if we get him on the cheap, but DO NOT PAY silly money and wages for someone that might end up being a has been.
I'm not. I don't watch the league but I'm going by transfermrkt here - inner ligament injury (9 days) inner knee ligament tear (42 days), a 'knock' (22 days) and a calf injury (7 days).To be fair, you can’t just edit the English language to suit yourself
Thats prone to injury, worryingly two longer ones with ligament injuries which are one of the worse ones. Ligament injuries are very dicey, and knee ligaments are the worst.
Having looked at those injury stats kindly posted, we can’t go near this signing. It’s horrendously risky with him just having had the knee issues last year. A shame as he think he would be a good signing otherwise but it just has “5 year contract, £250k a week and only plays half the matches” written all over it.
I meant in the sense of having more injuries that accumulate to a longer duration out. I understand a player can have one lengthy layoff but not be injury prone (VVD), I felt that went without saying.[
I mean, that’s absolutely not what you posted previously though
De Ligt has missed 22 games or so from 3-4 different injury issues.
Never said you said he's elite. Not sure why you're stuck at 4-5 seasons ago. Have a great week ahead.
Could really do with Peps Barce doctor for this season if we sign another injury prone defender
What a stupid post.
Mount has done well when he was able to play. Injuries in season 1 don't make him a bad signing.
Hope Bayern stick to their valuation & we move on.
This is getting boring. So it's going to be my last post on the matter
A- I know murtough was useless.I was the first in here to highlight that at a time when everyone in here was wanking about how great the 'fixer' was. Go and check for yourself in the murtough thread
B-Back then it made sense for ETH to have a huge say on signings, just as it made sense now since Ashworth and Berrada hasn't started yet. Don't take me wrong it's far from ideal as a proper football management is a must but I'd rather have ETH calling the shots then Woodward/Arnold/Brailsford
Will things change? Once Ashworth and Berrada settle down in their job then I believe so. Neither guy seem comfortable in a cheerleader role.
However it's evident that ETH was calling the shots on transfers back then just as it's evident that he's having a huge say now. I doubt that ineos have caught the eredivisie bug
He’d be an excellent addition at the 40m range. Great age for a CB with many years ahead of him & good resale value.
Always feels ominous when people talk about someone having good resale value. The same was being said in reply to skepticism about Antony and Mounts signings. Also the likes of AWB and Sancho in the past. How are their resale values doing?
Not having a position in the managers starting eleven when fit is what made him a truly awful signing.
Not having a position in the managers starting eleven when fit is what made him a truly awful signing.
I don't want it to happen but I expect him to join United.
United and Bayern are grownups. They will agree on a fee.
Antony was too pricey obviously, but Mount when back to fitness would easily demand a 40m fee still.
You guys want us to move on from everyone, first Branthwaite now De Ligt we have to sign someone
We do not really see a full 1v1 sprint but i like that he is aggressive and he is a leader. If he can avoid any more ligament injures he could do a job for us i guess. He and Martinez would create a good aggressive pair, im just alittle worried if we play a high line and the other team pump long balls behind the defence against a fast attacker.
Hes actually quite quick to be honest, and also good at defending 1 vs 1 against wide players when fullbacks push up high
Need a post stickied on the start of every page to say it's complement, not compliment.
De Ligt might tell Lisandro Martinez he has a nice haircut or a nice style, but it is his style of football which is (or isn't) complementary with the Argentine.
De Ligt might tell Lisandro Martinez he has a nice haircut or a nice style, but it is his style of football which is (or isn't) complementary with the Argentine.
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