Why would anyone want Cillessen? Our manager has openly said he's shit at saving penalties. That's kind of a big deal over the course of a season.
De Gea Replacement
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
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He saved two in training for yesterdays game! Seriously though, I rate Cillessen, but not at United level.
I'd be happy with Begovic competing with Valdes.
When does Cech's contract run out?
I appreciate DDG to Madrid is an inevitability, but why is Casillas so definately not going to be number 1 at Madrid? Is he retiring?
He has basically just become a bit bad. All of the posters on the Real Madrid forum (fororealmadrid) seem to think that this will be his last Clasico.
Would be a no brainer for us if Dave leaves.
Bingo.
yup, as much as i want to see david signs a new deal, if that does not happen, cech would be the obvious choice. very much a van der sar alike signing.
Re: Cech,
Cech expires in the summer of 2016, so this summer is Chelsea's last chance to get something for him, really. I don't think they'd sell him here unless we overpaid, though. Arsenal would do well to get him, too.
More likely, you would think Chelsea ask him to accept a move abroad and he ends up somewhere like Atletico (could finance the fee easily by giving up on Oblak), Milan or Dortmund to finally replace Weidenfeller. Actually, that last one is perfect. Dortmund could pay a decent fee without breaking the bank since he only has a year left and Cech would be 32 and should be able to give them a half decade of top keeping with his size, experience and lack of reliance on special athleticism.
Re: Other replacement,
We have a scouting system. This is where it should be useful. Buy the best keeper under 26 or 27 that isn't already at an absolutely massive club, like we did with De Gea, Bayern did with Neuer and Chelsea did with Courtois. We have Valdes to compete with him for a year or two if need be. Leno looked impressive at times against Atletico Madrid. Not sure who else would be an option. I would fear a situation like Arsenal's where the keeper is young enough that he's allowed to keep making mistakes for years until we realize we can do better. That's the risk if we buy a 20 year old hotshot.
Re: Selling to Madrid,
If we do sell De Gea, though, it has to be because he wants to go (there's no value in selling a truly elite player at his age. He's not going to get all fat like a Brazilian number 10, so unless we think he's got latent Boneitis or whatever, if he's willing to stay if we make him the highest paid keeper in the world then just do it. Even Rooney would be easier to replace) we need to get both a shitload of cash for him and a Madrid player if possible. Last time we sold them Ronaldo we didn't get an insane enough fee and Robben and Sneijder left the same summer and soon had spells where they were top 5 attackers in all of Europe.
This time, it best be cash + whichever of Isco, Modric, Kroos, Bale, Ronaldo, Varane gets blamed when they end the season trophyless (out of CDR already, 4 back of Barcelona and unlikely to win the CL considering they drew Atletico and will probably have to beat at least one of Barca or Bayern + the other or at best Juventus).
Cech expires in the summer of 2016, so this summer is Chelsea's last chance to get something for him, really. I don't think they'd sell him here unless we overpaid, though. Arsenal would do well to get him, too.
More likely, you would think Chelsea ask him to accept a move abroad and he ends up somewhere like Atletico (could finance the fee easily by giving up on Oblak), Milan or Dortmund to finally replace Weidenfeller. Actually, that last one is perfect. Dortmund could pay a decent fee without breaking the bank since he only has a year left and Cech would be 32 and should be able to give them a half decade of top keeping with his size, experience and lack of reliance on special athleticism.
Re: Other replacement,
We have a scouting system. This is where it should be useful. Buy the best keeper under 26 or 27 that isn't already at an absolutely massive club, like we did with De Gea, Bayern did with Neuer and Chelsea did with Courtois. We have Valdes to compete with him for a year or two if need be. Leno looked impressive at times against Atletico Madrid. Not sure who else would be an option. I would fear a situation like Arsenal's where the keeper is young enough that he's allowed to keep making mistakes for years until we realize we can do better. That's the risk if we buy a 20 year old hotshot.
Re: Selling to Madrid,
If we do sell De Gea, though, it has to be because he wants to go (there's no value in selling a truly elite player at his age. He's not going to get all fat like a Brazilian number 10, so unless we think he's got latent Boneitis or whatever, if he's willing to stay if we make him the highest paid keeper in the world then just do it. Even Rooney would be easier to replace) we need to get both a shitload of cash for him and a Madrid player if possible. Last time we sold them Ronaldo we didn't get an insane enough fee and Robben and Sneijder left the same summer and soon had spells where they were top 5 attackers in all of Europe.
This time, it best be cash + whichever of Isco, Modric, Kroos, Bale, Ronaldo, Varane gets blamed when they end the season trophyless (out of CDR already, 4 back of Barcelona and unlikely to win the CL considering they drew Atletico and will probably have to beat at least one of Barca or Bayern + the other or at best Juventus).
Ha!
It is amazing how much of an afterthought Victor Valdes is on this forum.
How many matches have you seen him play for the reserves?
I said when we signed him, we didn't sign Valdes for nothing...
Valdez will be given a season. he was immense for barca. if he's not up to scratch we will look elsewhere. we wont drop 25-30m on a goalkeeper to replace dave when we have valdez on our bench.
Agree Valdes surely will be first choice if De Gea left although I'm not sure if a goalkeeper of Valdes's height can cope with the PL.
Valdes is coming back from a injury. It's a big injury and he might have lost some of his agility.
Big risk having him as number 1. Cech is the no brainer for me.
Big risk having him as number 1. Cech is the no brainer for me.
We as the fans have to assume that if the club has signed him on a 3 year deal, after a period of non contracted training with the first team, they are in the best possible position to know if he's up to the task and would not have done so if watching him train they go "he's a bit shit now ey". Now the evidence of if he's a top keeper is not really up for debate, 5 titles and 3 champions leagues, 5 best goalkeeper trophies and countless other recognitions and trophies. If after Van de sar retired, we were offered the chance to have valdes as his replacement we would have jumped at it surely, and whilst that was a few years ago now (and his shoes have been absolutely replaced by Big dave) his last season at barca was sensational and easily a match if not better than some of his "peak" barca years. Age is after all slightly different when it comes to goalkeepers and 33 is in no way shape or form old, some would call it their peak.
Now what i would say is, if we take the injury out of the equation(as we are in no position to know if its fully recovered or still a problem its all speculation at this point) Would he be up there with the list of replacements for Dave? I like to think he would. Surely the list would be Lloris, Valdes, Cech, Handanovic? or something to that avail.
that said, I completely agree with you, If he is blighted by an injury that has reduced his quality as a goalkeeper then absolutely we should look at other options, but we have to remember the club will know if that is the case. and if he starts come pre season then the club has complete faith in his recovery from said injury.
If DDG leaves United we would lose our best player of the year in the past 2 years, the only one capable of making this weak defense look credible. You don't replace someone like him with some 33 year old keeper whose suffered from a terrible injury and has no experience in the EPL.
Valdes does give us options though. We can get a younger keeper for example + we wont look that desperate for keepers (ie prices should in theory remain stable)
Valdés hasn't played top level football for more than a year now, and probably won't for the next 5-6 months at best, while being in natural decay age. Risky to depend on him for a season.
If De Gea leaves, you go for the assured hands of Petr Cech until the next big thing comes along. Of course, Chelsea would be difficult to deal with at a price which reflects his true value.
But here's to hoping it doesn't come to that.
But here's to hoping it doesn't come to that.
@Oo0AahCantona 3 years? Pretty sure it was an 18 month deal.
Chelsea won't want to sell Cech to an English club and I don't think he'd want it either, particularly when you look at that reply above. Could easily see Cech at Madrid, let's hope it happens.
Haven't been following transfer business as closely as I'd like this summer and season - are we actually selling De Gea? Anyone care to give me a quick summary of what causes all this talk about his future?
...except that he's Spanish and one of the best goalies in the world, and Madrid are in the market for a goalkeeper.
...except that he's Spanish and one of the best goalies in the world, and Madrid are in the market for a goalkeeper.
Its not a weak defence though.
It is. Jones, Valencia and Evans are accidents waiting to happen. None of our defenders are even near to Vidic;s and Rio's class
They did sold Mata to us
I don't agree that Valencia and Jones are accidents waiting to happen, and Evans isn't first choice. You don't need defenders at the level of Rio and Vidic's class. Nobody in the world has that currently I'd argue.
Valdes will do fine for a couple of seasons, Andy Mitten reported that he was training fantastic, and was actually loving life in Manchester, refreshing to hear.
You do notice that there's a massive gap between Rio and a winger playing as right back and Jones don't you?
I can imagine that the gap between our goals against in the two periods isn't so big. I can't be bothered to look it up but I'm sure the disparity isn't that big.
Oh shit really?
I have worries about Valdes being our keeper. I hate the Premier League proven argument, but in the case of goalkeepers it's a pretty valid one. The physical side of the game in England for keepers is a totally different animal to La Liga and to make matters worse Valdes is only 6 foot tall. I really think he'd struggle. It's one thing to allow a 20 year old to struggle while he learns, it seems pointless to do it for someone turning 34.
Alot of sacrifices were made to make the defense credible which had made us struggle on the other hand. Not to forget DDG's constant miracle saves. No wonder he's our best player in two seasons at a row.
I'd sign a young promising keeper to provide Valdes with competition but as a long term view while Valdes is out short term fix. Scuffet fits the bill.
Well people are suggesting Cech and he is in an almost identical situation to Valdes bar the bad injury.
I'd say it's a bit different. Since Valdés' injury (march last season, a year ago) he has played 270 minutes (3x u21 games in two months) and has recieved a goal in each game. In the same period of time, Cech has played around 1600 minutes, almost half a season at top level (premier, cup, CL) and with 1260 of those minutes in this season alone. Cech doesn't come from inactivity nor serious injury.
Also, Cech has a style more suited and tested in premier football, while Valdés always had trouble imposing himself in defending crosses and aerial attacks, one of Barcelona's glaring weaknesses in recent seasons.
It's a shame there's no margin of error in league nor any cup games left to test Valdés against top premier rivals.
All said, I don't think the gk situation is dramatic: keepers are indispensable in any team but, much like underwear, you can get away with something not particularly fancy most of the times while you spend your money somewhere else. If Barcelona under impending transfer ban bought Bravo and Stegen for 25m€ total, and they've been quite functional, United should be able to find decent subs for De Gea if it was needed.
That's what I 'd do as well but it's hard to find another talent like DDG was. Plus we'd need to go through a period of 2-3 years with ups and downs like with DDG
Sergio Romero will be free in the summer.
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