De Gea Replacement

[ravi2]

It will be 100% Lloris

My only problem with that is that Levy will probably demand more for Lloris than we are letting DDG go for....we could get either Cech or Leno for much less and we wouldnt have to deal with a pain in the ass like Levy.

 

[Roman Bellic]

Baring some unforeseen act of God, Valdes won't be our starting keeper next season if DDG leaves. We're looking to win trophies right now, and you can bet that Van Gaal, Woodward & Co. aren't going to place all those eggs in Victor Valdes' basket. If we sell de Gea to Madrid we will buy another keeper, whoever that may be. I'm 100% certain of that.

Considering that you just keep contradicting yourself in an argument about the value of a good goalkeeper, or how valuable a keeper DDG is/was, and considering that you fail to even remotely address anything I brought up about how it's far from certain that we can/will strengthen the rest of our defense just like *that*, and also because you repeatedly fail to address the fact that Valdes is a complete wild card/unknown at this point in time, I'm not going to continue arguing about the subject with you.

No offense intended, but it's not worth the effort for me to have to repeat the same talking points when you don't really bother paying attention to them.

I addressed everything in your post, you spoke about realistic candidates being available, then go on to mention Cech and Lloris as possible replacements? i'd say you're the one doing the contradiction here man, who said anything about placing all our eggs in one basket? or did you not see the part where i called for a solid replacement? seeing as your candidates are a bit erm.....unrealistic. "

How can it be far from certain that we can strengthen our defense when there are suitable candidates on the market right now? Cech and Lloris are probably the only 2 keepers who would adequately replace DDG next season and due to certain factors signing either of them would be unrealistic, making the chances of signing a World Class GK this summer really slim, wouldn't it be better to take advantage of the fact that the market is currently filled quality defenders right now and make the necessary arrangements to secure the services of at least 2 of those quality defenders and a solid GK, instead of chasing 2 unrealistic targets at the expense of losing our more realistic targets? is that so hard to grasp?

Sulking over DDG won't make an available World Class keeper magically appear in the market, sometimes you just have to be realistic.

 

[SonnyTheHaloPro]

I addressed everything in your post, you spoke about realistic candidates being available, then go on to mention Cech and Lloris as possible replacements? i'd say you're the one doing the contradiction here man, who said anything about placing all our eggs in one basket? or did you not see the part where i called for a solid replacement? seeing as your candidates are a bit erm.....unrealistic. "

How can it be far from certain that we can strengthen our defense when there are suitable candidates on the market right now? Cech and Lloris are probably the only 2 keepers who would adequately replace DDG next season and due to certain factors signing either of them would be unrealistic, making the chances of signing a World Class GK this summer really slim, wouldn't it be better to take advantage of the fact that the market is currently filled quality defenders right now and make the necessary arrangements to secure the services of at least 2 of those quality defenders and a solid GK, instead of chasing 2 unrealistic targets at the expense of losing our more realistic targets? is that so hard to grasp?

Sulking over DDG won't make an available World Class keeper magically appear in the market, sometimes you just have to be realistic.

I don't believe either Cech or Lloris are unrealistic targets, Cech is available and his agent has stated he wants to continue playing at the highest level. Only a few clubs can offer that and we happen to be one of them.

 

[Roman Bellic]

I don't believe either Cech or Lloris are unrealistic targets, Cech is available and his agent has stated he wants to continue playing at the highest level. Only a few clubs can offer that and we happen to be one of them.

It all depends on Mourinho tbh, his contract expires next season so they might want to sell him this summer, would Mourinho be willing to hand a really good (for the sake of argument) Goalkeeper over to his direct rivals?

 

[dave2528]

I addressed everything in your post, you spoke about realistic candidates being available, then go on to mention Cech and Lloris as possible replacements? i'd say you're the one doing the contradiction here man, who said anything about placing all our eggs in one basket? or did you not see the part where i called for a solid replacement? seeing as your candidates are a bit erm.....unrealistic. "

How can it be far from certain that we can strengthen our defense when there are suitable candidates on the market right now? Cech and Lloris are probably the only 2 keepers who would adequately replace DDG next season and due to certain factors signing either of them would be unrealistic, making the chances of signing a World Class GK this summer really slim, wouldn't it be better to take advantage of the fact that the market is currently filled quality defenders right now and make the necessary arrangements to secure the services of at least 2 of those quality defenders and a solid GK, instead of chasing 2 unrealistic targets at the expense of losing our more realistic targets? is that so hard to grasp?

Sulking over DDG won't make an available World Class keeper magically appear in the market, sometimes you just have to be realistic.

I think you're confusing the word unrealistic with the word expensive. Either one of those two could very realistically be had by us if we want them, and they want to move on. That said, I didn't say anywhere that they are the only two possible GK's that we could/would go after. They just happen to be the two that stand out from the crowd and they also both happen to be available if we place the right offer. Last summer should have shown you that we aren't exactly adverse to splashing some cash around.

The suggestion that if we try and sign either of those keepers that it will be to the detriment, or come at the expense of us being able to pursue other defensive targets, is completely unfounded. We've never had an issue pursuing multiple targets in a single transfer window and once again, we've had no indicating that we are under some tight budget constraint over this summer.

As you point out yourself, we don't necessarily have to have a world class keeper. That just as long as we fix all of the other problems we've had in defense, which isn't as cut and dry as you want us to believe. Even IF we are able to address some of those issues, we still need a solid GK (your own words). There is absolutely no guarantee that Valdes is even going to be that at this point in his career, and that is my point. Why take that risk when it truly isn't necessary?

 

[reelworld]

Good post. I just want to highlight this

As you point out yourself, we don't necessarily have to have a world class keeper. That just as long as we fix all of the other problems we've had in defense, which isn't as cut and dry as you want us to believe. Even IF we are able to address some of those issues, we still need a solid GK (your own words). There is absolutely no guarantee that Valdes is even going to be that at this point in his career, and that is my point. Why take that risk when it truly isn't necessary?

It's like that 2007-2008 team. Van der Sar was great and he did won us the CL, but I don't think he's a top 3 goalkeeper in the world at the time. What he is, is very solid goalkeeper with loads of experience, and years of premership football in his belt. I do think getting the central defense and right back right is the first priority this season. I think Valdes, like Edwin, is a very solid goalkeeper with loads of experience. But his lack of experience in premiership bothers me. Dunno if he can learn it quick enough to became dependable

 

[Roman Bellic]

I think you're confusing the word unrealistic with the word expensive. Either one of those two could very realistically be had by us if we want them, and they want to move on. That said, I didn't say anywhere that they are the only two possible GK's that we could/would go after. They just happen to be the two that stand out from the crowd and they also both happen to be available if we place the right offer. Last summer should have shown you that we aren't exactly adverse to splashing some cash around.

The suggestion that if we try and sign either of those keepers that it will be to the detriment, or come at the expense of us being able to pursue other defensive targets, is completely unfounded. We've never had an issue pursuing multiple targets in a single transfer window and once again, we've had no indicating that we are under some tight budget constraint over this summer.

As you point out yourself, we don't necessarily have to have a world class keeper. That just as long as we fix all of the other problems we've had in defense, which isn't as cut and dry as you want us to believe. Even IF we are able to address some of those issues, we still need a solid GK (your own words). There is absolutely no guarantee that Valdes is even going to be that at this point in his career, and that is my point. Why take that risk when it truly isn't necessary?

Nope, I meant unrealistic, if I meant expensive, I would have said expensive ... Lloris won't cost more than 30m and I expect Cech's fee to be around 25m, Levy and Mourinho are the biggest factors in those deals, I don't think either one of them would want to sell to United, certainly not Mourinho,and Levy would want to keep Lloris for as long as he can,so chasing those players might not be ideal for United, I believe we are currently speaking to Chelsea about Cech so we'll see how that goes.

We've never had an issue pursuing multiple targets, but we are notorious for chasing certain players for an entire window without signing them.

The majority of your point is about your assumption that I meant expensive when I specifically said unrealistic, so I don't think I need to address it.

Your Valdes point doesn't make sense to me when I specifically said we NEED to sign a solid GK in this window seeing as there aren't many WC keepers available this summer.

This should cover everything...I hope, there's nothing more I can say in this argument.

 

[dave2528]

Your Valdes point doesn't make sense to me when I specifically said we NEED to sign a solid GK in this window seeing as there aren't many WC keepers available this summer.

I was being a smartass in regards to the unrealistic/expensive point.

While I agree that landing either of those two players would be difficult and end up costing us more than what their fair market value would be, I don't think that either would be impossible to pull off or take away from the pursuit of other targets. But that disagreement doesn't matter because you and I seem to be on the same page in regards to Valdes.

I must have confused you for one of those posters earlier in the topic arguing that Valdes was clearly the man for the job.

My bad.

 

[Kill 'em all]

Storari would be a good replacement as well.

 

[Roman Bellic]

I was being a smartass in regards to the unrealistic/expensive point.

While I agree that landing either of those two players would be difficult and end up costing us more than what their fair market value would be, I don't think that either would be impossible to pull off or take away from the pursuit of other targets. But that disagreement doesn't matter because you and I seem to be on the same page in regards to Valdes.

I must have confused you for one of those posters earlier in the topic arguing that Valdes was clearly the man for the job.

My bad.

Oh, no problem then,I guess we all want what's best for the team at the end of the day.

 

[Orc]

Nope, I meant unrealistic, if I meant expensive, I would have said expensive ... Lloris won't cost more than 30m and I expect Cech's fee to be around 25m, Levy and Mourinho are the biggest factors in those deals, I don't think either one of them would want to sell to United, certainly not Mourinho,and Levy would want to keep Lloris for as long as he can,so chasing those players might not be ideal for United, I believe we are currently speaking to Chelsea about Cech so we'll see how that goes.

We've never had an issue pursuing multiple targets, but we are notorious for chasing certain players for an entire window without signing them.

The majority of your point is about your assumption that I meant expensive when I specifically said unrealistic, so I don't think I need to address it.

Your Valdes point doesn't make sense to me when I specifically said we NEED to sign a solid GK in this window seeing as there aren't many WC keepers available this summer.

This should cover everything...I hope, there's nothing more I can say in this argument.

No way we're getting £25m for Cech. Even a desperate club wouldn't pay that much.

 

[Hernandez - BFA]

Nope, I meant unrealistic, if I meant expensive, I would have said expensive ... Lloris won't cost more than 30m and I expect Cech's fee to be around 25m, Levy and Mourinho are the biggest factors in those deals, I don't think either one of them would want to sell to United, certainly not Mourinho,and Levy would want to keep Lloris for as long as he can,so chasing those players might not be ideal for United, I believe we are currently speaking to Chelsea about Cech so we'll see how that goes.

We've never had an issue pursuing multiple targets, but we are notorious for chasing certain players for an entire window without signing them.

The majority of your point is about your assumption that I meant expensive when I specifically said unrealistic, so I don't think I need to address it.

Your Valdes point doesn't make sense to me when I specifically said we NEED to sign a solid GK in this window seeing as there aren't many WC keepers available this summer.

This should cover everything...I hope, there's nothing more I can say in this argument.

Yeah Cech isn't going for £25 million. More like half that, if even that.

 

[Roman Bellic]

No way we're getting £25m for Cech. Even a desperate club wouldn't pay that much.

I agree. Although he is only 33 and we still have to fend off Arsenal for his signature, I mean this is Mourinho we're talking about.

I think 15 - 18m would be ideal for a keeper who can still give us 5 years at the highest level.

 

[Kakeru]

People are only stressing for a top class GK because of DDG, I'm not saying I wouldn't welcome a top class GK, all I'm saying is a consistent GK wouldn't be that bad,fans have tasted fine wine (DDG) so they naturally expect to drink wine forever....that's not how it works in Football,the best Keepers in the world are unavailable,Mourinho might not sell Cech to us,so what do you expect us to do? Go and gamble like we did with DDG and expect the same result? What if it doesn't work out? All you need is a solid GK imo, a superstar keeper is really hard to find.

Are you saying it is impossible to win am the CL or any other trophy without a top class GK?

The last time we tried something other than "fine wine" of a goalkeeper, it tasted as shitty as water dropping out of a dumpster (I'm referring to the likes of Mark Bosnich, Massimo Taibi, Fabien Barthez, Roy Carroll and Tim Howard). I am saying that we won't go anywhere unless the United higher-ups just find a way to land a high-class goalkeeper, especially with the PL and Europe getting more competitive over the years.

I don't think I need to elaborate any further when someone wrote earlier that all top clubs have great goalkeepers. Teams that don't have great goalkeepers usually win feck all for a long time.

It all depends on Mourinho tbh, his contract expires next season so they might want to sell him this summer, would Mourinho be willing to hand a really good (for the sake of argument) Goalkeeper over to his direct rivals?

And Arsenal are not Chelsea's direct rivals according to Mourinho? If he sells Cech to them, he might as well say that he is giving them the last piece of the puzzle that can bite Chelsea back in the ass.

 

[soapythecat]

Did Spurs not concede as many goals as Burnley last season. I do t get the Lloris love in on here. I'd rather we start Valdes than pay upwards of £30m for Lloris. Begovic is a better keeper than Lloris.

 

[Sam]

There's no way LVG will go for Cech. I'm not sure why people keep suggesting he will. One of the basic requirements LVG seems to want in his keeper is to be very good with the ball at his feet, Cech is average at best in that regard. Same with Begovic, who really isn't that good anyways.

It will be Valdes.

 

[golden_blunder]

It all depends on Mourinho tbh, his contract expires next season so they might want to sell him this summer, would Mourinho be willing to hand a really good (for the sake of argument) Goalkeeper over to his direct rivals?

Agh, not again!

I've said multiple times in the Cech discussions that Mourinho made a statement towards the end of the season that out of respect to Cech, they would let HIM decide where he wants to go next, even if it is a direct rival. Chelsea selling won't be the issue, it will be whether me make an offer and whether he wants to come.

 

[golden_blunder]

There's no way LVG will go for Cech. I'm not sure why people keep suggesting he will. One of the basic requirements LVG seems to want in his keeper is to be very good with the ball at his feet, Cech is average at best in that regard. Same with Begovic, who really isn't that good anyways.

It will be Valdes.

Because he's a good keeper. I love how fans are making up LvGs mind for him.

 

[Sam]

It will be 100% Lloris

It will be 100% Valdes.

 

[Sam]

Because he's a good keeper. I love how fans are making up LvGs mind for him.

It doesn't matter, he's not good with the ball at his feet. Thats clearly a massive part of what LVG wants in a keeper.

It was nothing to do with fans making LVG's mind up for him, more like fans making their own mind up on what they want, and completely ignoring logic.

 

[golden_blunder]

It doesn't matter, he's not good with the ball at his feet. Thats clearly a massive part of what LVG wants in a keeper.

It was nothing to do with fans making LVG's mind up for him, more like fans making their own mind up on what they want, and completely ignoring logic.

How do you know that he would discount a very good goalkeeper for that reason?

How do YOU know?

Also you make it sound like Cech is martin keown with the ball. Anyone that would discount Cech as a replacement for that reason needs their head examined

 

[Sam]

How do you know that he would discount a very good goalkeeper for that reason?

How do YOU know?

Also you make it sound like Cech is martin keown with the ball. Anyone that would discount Cech as a replacement for that reason needs their head examined

Because he's already spoken in the past about how important it is for a goalkeeper to be able to play with the ball at his feet? Becasue thats clearly what he's always favoured throughout his career? Because he already said thats the reason he's letting Lindegaard go? Its hardly rocket science. Just in the same way its pretty obvious that he won't be playing Di Maria in midfield again anytime soon. It goes against his 'philosophy'.

Then go and check LVG's head. Because there's no way he'll be buying him.

 

[Roman Bellic]

The last time we tried something other than "fine wine" of a goalkeeper, it tasted as shitty as water dropping out of a dumpster (I'm referring to the likes of Mark Bosnich, Massimo Taibi, Fabien Barthez, Roy Carroll and Tim Howard). I am saying that we won't go anywhere unless the United higher-ups just find a way to land a high-class goalkeeper, especially with the PL and Europe getting more competitive over the years.

I don't think I need to elaborate any further when someone wrote earlier that all top clubs have great goalkeepers. Teams that don't have great goalkeepers usually win feck all for a long time.



And Arsenal are not Chelsea's direct rivals according to Mourinho? If he sells Cech to them, he might as well say that he is giving them the last piece of the puzzle that can bite Chelsea back in the ass.

Point 1 - You really didn't have to go through the stress of typing such a long paragraph when you could simply have read the last 2 pages of this thread, as we have already discussed this issue, the only top class GK available in this window is Cech, Lloris might be available but we would have to go through Levy as Spurs might not be willing to sell their GK.

You don't necessarily need a World Class GK to contend, you just need a consistent one, which is what Valdes was for Barca, Atletico and Dortmund both reached the CL final with solid GKs, Real Madrid won the CL with an aging Casillas who was nowhere near a World Class keeper last season, our priority should be Signing a World Class defender as there are about 4 currently available in this window, a World Class GK isn't going to magically appear, and we can't afford to shoot ourselves in the foot because of a World class Gk, Barcelona have 2 solid GKs in their team and they are the currently the best team in the world.

You mentioned the likes of Bosnich,Howard,Carroll etc keepers who were far from consistent with us.

Point 2 - I never said anything about Arsenal not being Chelsea's direct rivals, Mourinho might not be willing to sell to either of us, he did the same thing to Arsenal a few years ago when he used Ba to tease them all window,there's really no guarantee he won't do the same thing this time around, Arsenal shot themselves in the foot chasing Ba for 2 months.

 

[Roman Bellic]

Agh, not again!

I've said multiple times in the Cech discussions that Mourinho made a statement towards the end of the season that out of respect to Cech, they would let HIM decide where he wants to go next, even if it is a direct rival. Chelsea selling won't be the issue, it will be whether me make an offer and whether he wants to come.

He also said he would like Cech to stay though.

 

[Oaencha]

I'm pretty certain Victor Valdes will be given the number 1 jersey if DDG leaves. He needs to work on his aerial ability but I think he will do well for us.

I would like us to sign Maksym Koval as a young backup; he's a really talented goalkeeper

 

[Sauxees Moi Hui]

I'm pretty certain Victor Valdes will be given the number 1 jersey if DDG leaves. He needs to work on his aerial ability but I think he will do well for us.

I would like us to sign Maksym Koval as a young backup; he's a really talented goalkeeper

Maksym Koval has been deemed not good enough for Dynamo Kyiv at this point. He is on loan at their feeder club, and unlikely to ever return to the first team, IMO.

 

[duffer]

Since when was Cech "bad with his feet?" I've never noticed it to be an issue.

 

[RyRy11]

It's like that 2007-2008 team. Van der Sar was great and he did won us the CL, but I don't think he's a top 3 goalkeeper in the world at the time. What he is, is very solid goalkeeper with loads of experience, and years of premership football in his belt. I do think getting the central defense and right back right is the first priority this season. I think Valdes, like Edwin, is a very solid goalkeeper with loads of experience. But his lack of experience in premiership bothers me. Dunno if he can learn it quick enough to became dependable

Van der Sar was more than just a keeper, he was leader! That alone put him up there. But I see what you are getting at.

 

[Sunny Jim]

Metro says we are intrested in Muslera.

 

[The Purley King]

Did Spurs not concede as many goals as Burnley last season. I do t get the Lloris love in on here. I'd rather we start Valdes than pay upwards of £30m for Lloris. Begovic is a better keeper than Lloris.

I agree 100%. Lloris isn't that good. He might scrape into a premiership top 5, but thats about it. Would rather have Valdes than Lloris - and Valdes was free......

 

[Nickosaur]

Can we just agree that Leno would be great?

 

[Sassy Colin]

Apparently Cech is available to us:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...ech-to-join-Arsenal-or-Manchester-United.html

 

[ravi2]

Can we just agree that Leno would be great?

I think that is the general consensus, something tells me he isnt on our radar tho.
He or Cech would make great replacements for DDG IMO.

 

[Sassy Colin]

Cech has a lot of parallels with VdS.

Won the CL with a smaller club, SAF regretted not buying him when he was younger, potential to become a club legend in a few years towards the end of his career and available for comparative peanuts.

 

[RikRuud]

It will be 100% Lloris

I'd say he's earn t his move here.

 

[Nate Dogg]

Cech would be the best replacement....how much is he worth?

 

[Zoo]

Cech prefers to stay in London so just offer more money to him then Arsenal. I hope we're in for him.

 

[RU Devil]

Considering the DDG situation, I'm a bit shocked LVG didn't give Valdes a bit more play in the EPL. If Valdes was really an option if DDG left, then LVG should've gotten him more games to see if he could handle the EPL, especially when it was more likely than not that 4th was done and we probably weren't getting to 3rd. A bit more baptism by fire. As it is, the Valdes option is still a bit murky, although I think LVG would be comfortable with him between the sticks, as long there was a capable backup.

 

[Oaencha]

Maksym Koval has been deemed not good enough for Dynamo Kyiv at this point. He is on loan at their feeder club, and unlikely to ever return to the first team, IMO.

Really? That's a shame. I first saw him playing in an u16's match a few years ago and have been intermittently tracking him since. He's always looked promising to me; loads of raw potential. I think he needs a better academy to develop his skills. Do you follow Kyiv?

 

[Oaencha]

Considering the DDG situation, I'm a bit shocked LVG didn't give Valdes a bit more play in the EPL. If Valdes was really an option if DDG left, then LVG should've gotten him more games to see if he could handle the EPL, especially when it was more likely than not that 4th was done and we probably weren't getting to 3rd. A bit more baptism by fire. As it is, the Valdes option is still a bit murky, although I think LVG would be comfortable with him between the sticks, as long there was a capable backup.

That was never going to happen. Not only would it have been foolish to drop DDG and risk losing PL points or a chance of silverware. It would also have fuelled speculation about his future, disrupting the team, upsetting the fans and worrying the sponsors. I reckon Valdes was told this by VG when he signed.