De Gea Replacement

Who is your preferred replacement for De Gea?


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Real Madrid won it last year with Casillas in goal...
Barcelona will probably win it this year with Ter Stergen (who is good but certainly not top 3)
Bayern and Chelsea did have Neuer + Cech (but Dortmund did make it with Weidenfeller)
But 2011 ( :( ) Barcelona had... yes you called it.. Victor Valdes.

and 2009 and 2006.
 
Real Madrid won it last year with Casillas in goal...
Barcelona will probably win it this year with Ter Stergen (who is good but certainly not top 3)
Bayern and Chelsea did have Neuer + Cech (but Dortmund did make it with Weidenfeller)
But 2011 ( :( ) Barcelona had... yes you called it.. Victor Valdes.

We're coming fresh off of a season where we weren't anywhere close to the quality of any of those teams you just mentioned, especially in the area of defense, or possession. We just so happen to be blessed with a great keeper in de Gea, who without which we would have surely not finished top 4.

Victor Valdes is NOT the type of keeper that is going to win us matches on his own. He has NEVER been that type of keeper. By no means a bad GK, he was terrifically fortunate with having played on some of the most potent and possession-minded squads in recent history.

I suggest that anyone who isn't familiar too much with Victor Valdes and what he is about as a keeper to watch both of those videos posted above. They illustrate his strengths and his weaknesses. I'd say that his main asset during his heyday was his pure athletic ability and speed. Both reaction speed to the ball and speed of recovery and movement. Considering that he is coming off a blown out knee, the possibility of him losing some of that ability comes into question. On the flip side, I'd say that he's always been considerably weak dealing with crosses. He also doesn't have the greatest hands as far as catching and keeping hold of the ball. Then, there are those times when he seems to go temporarily senile, and he'll end up doing something ridiculous like passing the ball the the opposition or seems to forget that he's participating in a real, live football match.

I've no problem with us taking him on a free and letting him hang out here for a bit and rehab himself and even giving him an opportunity at the end of the season to come on for us when we've already secured top 4. I've got a lot of worry and doubt if we were to make him our no.1 keeper should DDG leave. We've no reason, financially or otherwise to have to rest our chances next season with that big a question mark in goal.
 
We're coming fresh off of a season where we weren't anywhere close to the quality of any of those teams you just mentioned, especially in the area of defense, or possession. We just so happen to be blessed with a great keeper in de Gea, who without which we would have surely not finished top 4.

Victor Valdes is NOT the type of keeper that is going to win us matches on his own. He has NEVER been that type of keeper. By no means a bad GK, he was terrifically fortunate with having played on some of the most potent and possession-minded squads in recent history.

Then again no keeper could really do that.
 
Is the Barcelona champions league goal keeper any good? Because bravo is excellent and if the other is then I'm sure he'd want to play week in week out.
 
Is the Barcelona champions league goal keeper any good? Because bravo is excellent and if the other is then I'm sure he'd want to play week in week out.

No way is Ter Stegen leaving. He waited 2 years to sign for us and is now doing great. His signing was seen as our number 1 keeper, so by next season he should be starting.
 
Except the one we're getting ready to have to sell.

You need at least one goal to win a match. So technically a GK can not win a match on their own because goals from GKs are extremely rare. Also it is a silly cliche Football is the ultimate team sport no one can win a match on their own.
 
No way is Ter Stegen leaving. He waited 2 years to sign for us and is now doing great. His signing was seen as our number 1 keeper, so by next season he should be starting.
We'll have bravo then. He is excellent.
 
You need at least one goal to win a match. So technically a GK can not win a match on their own because goals from GKs are extremely rare. Also it is a silly cliche Football is the ultimate team sport no one can win a match on their own.

Obviously, but then again, you're taking what I said to a far more literal meaning than what was intended.

In regards to de Gea, Gary Neville made this remark about his quality and importance to the squad.

"'He's winning Manchester United match after match, which is what I would expect from a Manchester United goalkeeper."

Get it?
 
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Top 3 in the world is not a must I must say, and realistically that's Courtuois, Neuer, De Gea, the players we have close to zero chance of having (with De Gea looks likely to be sold)

We just need a dependable, solid, stable keeper to keep for us for a few seasons and see it from there. They won't make a grand safe but if they get the basic right and offer a solid goal keeping we'd be fine. Goalkeepers can be the different between a lost or a win, but a good defense will minimize that different, and we're not going to win Europe anytime soon, so having a solid 30+ goalkeeper ala Cech is good enough imo. Not ideal, not muppet scale, but enough.
 
We're coming fresh off of a season where we weren't anywhere close to the quality of any of those teams you just mentioned, especially in the area of defense, or possession. We just so happen to be blessed with a great keeper in de Gea, who without which we would have surely not finished top 4.

Victor Valdes is NOT the type of keeper that is going to win us matches on his own. He has NEVER been that type of keeper. By no means a bad GK, he was terrifically fortunate with having played on some of the most potent and possession-minded squads in recent history.

I suggest that anyone who isn't familiar too much with Victor Valdes and what he is about as a keeper to watch both of those videos posted above. They illustrate his strengths and his weaknesses. I'd say that his main asset during his heyday was his pure athletic ability and speed. Both reaction speed to the ball and speed of recovery and movement. Considering that he is coming off a blown out knee, the possibility of him losing some of that ability comes into question. On the flip side, I'd say that he's always been considerably weak dealing with crosses. He also doesn't have the greatest hands as far as catching and keeping hold of the ball. Then, there are those times when he seems to go temporarily senile, and he'll end up doing something ridiculous like passing the ball the the opposition or seems to forget that he's participating in a real, live football match.

I've no problem with us taking him on a free and letting him hang out here for a bit and rehab himself and even giving him an opportunity at the end of the season to come on for us when we've already secured top 4. I've got a lot of worry and doubt if we were to make him our no.1 keeper should DDG leave. We've no reason, financially or otherwise to have to rest our chances next season with that big a question mark in goal.
This, agree with every word. Especially the last sentence.
 
Id say he would expect to play straight away - that said I thought Ter Stengen would have more of a fuss about not being the outright No1 at Barca

If you could compare Leno to any goalkeeper, who would it be?

And any chance of us bringing back RR Zieler? Saw him a few times post-United and he seemed impressive enough with the potential to get better. Not too sure about him under the high ball but young enough to be coached. Anyone watched him play consistently?
 
A keepers role is overrated imo. If we actually could score goals and defend like a world class team then we shouldn't need the best goalkeeper. I don't care if De Gea goes.
 
Leno reminds of René Adler, in the way that I've never actually seen him play but people keep raving about him to the point where I'm more or less convinced that he's the one we should be getting.
 
Spend the money on our shambles of a defence and Valdes will be fine, he's a great shot stopper and good with the ball at his feet.
 
We're coming fresh off of a season where we weren't anywhere close to the quality of any of those teams you just mentioned, especially in the area of defense, or possession. We just so happen to be blessed with a great keeper in de Gea, who without which we would have surely not finished top 4.

Victor Valdes is NOT the type of keeper that is going to win us matches on his own. He has NEVER been that type of keeper. By no means a bad GK, he was terrifically fortunate with having played on some of the most potent and possession-minded squads in recent history.

I suggest that anyone who isn't familiar too much with Victor Valdes and what he is about as a keeper to watch both of those videos posted above. They illustrate his strengths and his weaknesses. I'd say that his main asset during his heyday was his pure athletic ability and speed. Both reaction speed to the ball and speed of recovery and movement. Considering that he is coming off a blown out knee, the possibility of him losing some of that ability comes into question. On the flip side, I'd say that he's always been considerably weak dealing with crosses. He also doesn't have the greatest hands as far as catching and keeping hold of the ball. Then, there are those times when he seems to go temporarily senile, and he'll end up doing something ridiculous like passing the ball the the opposition or seems to forget that he's participating in a real, live football match.

I've no problem with us taking him on a free and letting him hang out here for a bit and rehab himself and even giving him an opportunity at the end of the season to come on for us when we've already secured top 4. I've got a lot of worry and doubt if we were to make him our no.1 keeper should DDG leave. We've no reason, financially or otherwise to have to rest our chances next season with that big a question mark in goal.

Well I wonder how big of a question mark he will be for Louis and his staff, since they have seen him train every day for the past season. In terms of question marks Cech and Lloris will be good and save choices, however both not likely to come here since Cech would want to stay in London and Levy will be very hard to bargain with. Valdes is less of a 'question mark' than most other gks, that are way less experienced and/or coming from other leagues. For me Valdes actually is a rather save choice. Then again I have not seen him play the past 2 years so I do not know if Louis thinks he is good enough or not, that has to be seen.
 
A keepers role is overrated imo. If we actually could score goals and defend like a world class team then we shouldn't need the best goalkeeper. I don't care if De Gea goes.
The only thing is, we cant and I doubt we will in the near future. If you look at our best teams, we always had a great goalkeeper. So did other great teams. In order for defenders to do well, they need a great goalkeeper behind them. It wasnt a coincidence that Vida and Rio did so well with VDS in goal - he played a big part in that
 
And you expect us to challenge for the European Cup with him in goal even if he has better defenders ahead of him? It took us Schmeichel and Van der Sar in goal, arguably the best goalkeepers of their respective times, to win the Champions League, you know. So I'm not really sure about our chances if we have a goalkeeper who is not top class.



I would go with that.

People are only stressing for a top class GK because of DDG, I'm not saying I wouldn't welcome a top class GK, all I'm saying is a consistent GK wouldn't be that bad,fans have tasted fine wine (DDG) so they naturally expect to drink wine forever....that's not how it works in Football,the best Keepers in the world are unavailable,Mourinho might not sell Cech to us,so what do you expect us to do? Go and gamble like we did with DDG and expect the same result? What if it doesn't work out? All you need is a solid GK imo, a superstar keeper is really hard to find.

Are you saying it is impossible to win am the CL or any other trophy without a top class GK?
 
We're coming fresh off of a season where we weren't anywhere close to the quality of any of those teams you just mentioned, especially in the area of defense, or possession. We just so happen to be blessed with a great keeper in de Gea, who without which we would have surely not finished top 4.

Victor Valdes is NOT the type of keeper that is going to win us matches on his own. He has NEVER been that type of keeper. By no means a bad GK, he was terrifically fortunate with having played on some of the most potent and possession-minded squads in recent history.

I suggest that anyone who isn't familiar too much with Victor Valdes and what he is about as a keeper to watch both of those videos posted above. They illustrate his strengths and his weaknesses. I'd say that his main asset during his heyday was his pure athletic ability and speed. Both reaction speed to the ball and speed of recovery and movement. Considering that he is coming off a blown out knee, the possibility of him losing some of that ability comes into question. On the flip side, I'd say that he's always been considerably weak dealing with crosses. He also doesn't have the greatest hands as far as catching and keeping hold of the ball. Then, there are those times when he seems to go temporarily senile, and he'll end up doing something ridiculous like passing the ball the the opposition or seems to forget that he's participating in a real, live football match.

I've no problem with us taking him on a free and letting him hang out here for a bit and rehab himself and even giving him an opportunity at the end of the season to come on for us when we've already secured top 4. I've got a lot of worry and doubt if we were to make him our no.1 keeper should DDG leave. We've no reason, financially or otherwise to have to rest our chances next season with that big a question mark in goal.

All we need to do is strengthen our defence, DDG wasn't exactly winning us matches last season or the season before,when you have the likes of Evans,McNair and Blackett in your defence,what do you expect?

Do you have any top class GK(available)in mind?
 
All we need to do is strengthen our defence, DDG wasn't exactly winning us matches last season or the season before,when you have the likes of Evans,McNair and Blackett in your defence,what do you expect?

Do you have any top class GK(available)in mind?

Of course he was. Just because he isn't scoring them on one end doesn't mean that his saves aren't vital for our wins or draws. Classic caf revisionism.
 
Not sure what changes there. He's been better this season, but he was saving us often enough under Moyes as well.

He was keeping the ball out of the net, just like every good GK in the world, the saviour tag came about this season, last season he was just a really good GK with potential.
 
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He was keeping the ball out of the net, just like every good GK in the world, the saviour tag came about this season, last season he was just a real good GK with potential.

:lol: Yeah carry on.
 
Its people like you that brand him a saviour,making replacing him more difficult than it needs to be.

Didn't say anything like that. It's people like you, who have no clue how important a world-class goalkeeper can be. If you think he was keeping the ball out of the net like every other good keeper would during Moyes' season, then you should work on your memory. Whoever we will bring in, will not be as good as him, unless it would be Courtois or Neuer, which won't happen.
 
If we could be sure we'd get the pre-injury version of Valdes, I'd be happy enough to just give him the gig and be done with it. At the time when he got injured he had – finally – developed into a very good, reliable keeper. We don't know if he's back at that level, though. I don't like gambles at this stage. We should try to push for the league next season, having any sort of X factor between the sticks is no good.

Cech would do, for my money. Knows the league, highly experienced, still a bloody good keeper on his day, etc. As others have said, though, he might be an unrealistic target for several reasons.
 
Didn't say anything like that. It's people like you, who have no clue how important a world-class goalkeeper can be. If you think he was keeping the ball out of the net like every other good keeper would during Moyes' season, then you should work on your memory. Whoever we will bring in, will not be as good as him, unless it would be Courtois or Neuer, which won't happen.

People are only stressing for a top class GK because of DDG, I'm not saying I wouldn't welcome a top class GK, all I'm saying is a consistent GK wouldn't be that bad,fans have tasted fine wine (DDG) so they naturally expect to drink wine forever....that's not how it works in Football,the best Keepers in the world are unavailable,Mourinho might not sell Cech to us,so what do you expect us to do? Go and gamble like we did with DDG and expect the same result? What if it doesn't work out? All you need is a solid GK imo, a superstar keeper is really hard to find.

Are you saying it is impossible to win am the CL or any other trophy without a top class GK?

Already addressed this, as for claiming DDG was world class under Moyes, that is a flat-out lie, he had a good season, but he was definitely not World Class... unless we are lowering the standards of a World Class keeper to please you?
 
Already addressed this, as for claiming DDG was world class under Moyes, that is a flat-out lie, he had a good season, but he was definitely not World Class... unless we are lowering the standards of a World Class keeper to please you?

Yeah, it isn't. Name a better keeper than de Gea, Neuer and Courtois in the last two seasons. I don't care what world-class means or how you want to define it, but he's been in the top 3 of goalkeepers for the last couple of seasons.
 
Yeah, it isn't. Name a better keeper than de Gea, Neuer and Courtois in the last two seasons. I don't care what world-class means or how you want to define it, but he's been in the top 3 of goalkeepers for the last couple of seasons.

See this is what I'm talking, why didnt you just say last season? :lol: since our argument is about the season under Moyes and not this one?
 
All we need to do is strengthen our defence, DDG wasn't exactly winning us matches last season or the season before,when you have the likes of Evans,McNair and Blackett in your defence,what do you expect?

Do you have any top class GK(available)in mind?

What those of you suggesting we can just build a better defense to cover for any shortcomings we may have at GK are overlooking is, we can't just wave a magic wand and fix the rest of our defense just like that. Even if we do managed to bring in a number of the replacements we've been linked with, you're working under the assumption that everything gels, and we stay relatively injury free. Something that we've not been able to do in what seems forever.

The number of factors involved in putting that together are far more varied and uncertain.

The ability of de Gea to play well enough to cover for any of our recent defensive frailties only proves that the position is a little more important than some here are suggesting. It isn't a throw away position.

Unfortunately, we're not going to find a like for like replacement for DDG as he's just too good and no one that approaches his level is realistically available. That said, I'd be far more comfortable with bringing in someone established in our league, such as Cech or even Lloris. While it's certain that Tottenham would surely rake us across the coals, the ability for us to obtain Cech, if we so desired, seem almost assured considering that he's surplus, he want's to start, and he's available if we pony up the dosh.

Like I said before, why not try and strengthen that position as much as possible? We're aren't skint by any stretch, so we don't need to rely on an unknown in goal.
 
A keepers role is overrated imo. If we actually could score goals and defend like a world class team then we shouldn't need the best goalkeeper. I don't care if De Gea goes.

Teams who don't have great keepers generally don't win things for a sustained amount of times.
 
What those of you suggesting we can just build a better defense to cover for any shortcomings we may have at GK are overlooking is, we can't just wave a magic wand and fix the rest of our defense just like that. Even if we do managed to bring in a number of the replacements we've been linked with, you're working under the assumption that everything gels, and we stay relatively injury free. Something that we've not been able to do in what seems forever.

The number of factors involved in putting that together are far more varied and uncertain.

The ability of de Gea to play well enough to cover for any of our recent defensive frailties only proves that the position is a little more important than some here are suggesting. It isn't a throw away position.

Unfortunately, we're not going to find a like for like replacement for DDG as he's just too good and no one that approaches his level is realistically available. That said, I'd be far more comfortable with bringing in someone established in our league, such as Cech or even Lloris. While it's certain that Tottenham would surely rake us across the coals, the ability for us to obtain Cech, if we so desired, seem almost assured considering that he's surplus, he want's to start, and he's available if we pony up the dosh.

Like I said before, why not try and strengthen that position as much as possible? We're aren't skint by any stretch, so we don't need to rely on an unknown in goal.

Strengthening our defence should be our number 1 priority, A great keeper is really hard to find, getting a solid replacement however, is not the end of the world.

I'm not against signing a World Class keeper, but we have to be realistic, Lloris and Cech might be unrealistic targets as Levy loves to play hard ball and Mourinho wouldn't want to strengthen his direct rivals, when you rule out both keepers .... we are left with solid keepers who aren't necessarily World Class but are well above average, we have Valdes to ensure competition at that position - similar to what Barca are doing with Ter Stegen and Bravo, similar to what we did with DDG and Lindergaard ( people seem to forget that DDG's position as #1 was in doubt not too long ago)

Van Der Sar was a rock but he didn't get this kind of attention DDG is getting,because he didn't need to, he had the best CB pairing in the world in front of him. This whole shaky defence, top class keeper thingy is just too mediocre for me, because when the keeper starts becoming complacent ( like DDG was at the ending of this season) or has a bad day in general, it becomes a problem for the whole team.
 
Strengthening our defence should be our number 1 priority, A great keeper is really hard to find, getting a solid replacement however, is not the end of the world.

I'm not against signing a World Class keeper, but we have to be realistic, Lloris and Cech might be unrealistic targets as Levy loves to play hard ball and Mourinho wouldn't want to strengthen his direct rivals, when you rule out both keepers .... we are left with solid keepers who aren't necessarily World Class but are well above average, we have Valdes to ensure competition at that position - similar to what Barca are doing with Ter Stegen and Bravo, similar to what we did with DDG and Lindergaard ( people seem to forget that DDG's position as #1 was in doubt not too long ago)

Van Der Sar was a rock but he didn't get this kind of attention DDG is having because he didn't need to, he had the best CB pairing in the world in front of him. This whole shaky defence, top class keeper thingy is just too mediocre for me, because when the keeper starts becoming complacent ( like DDG was at the ending of this season) or has a bad day in general, it becomes a problem for the whole team.

Baring some unforeseen act of God, Valdes won't be our starting keeper next season if DDG leaves. We're looking to win trophies right now, and you can bet that Van Gaal, Woodward & Co. aren't going to place all those eggs in Victor Valdes' basket. If we sell de Gea to Madrid we will buy another keeper, whoever that may be. I'm 100% certain of that.

Considering that you just keep contradicting yourself in an argument about the value of a good goalkeeper, or how valuable a keeper DDG is/was, and considering that you fail to even remotely address anything I brought up about how it's far from certain that we can/will strengthen the rest of our defense just like *that*, and also because you repeatedly fail to address the fact that Valdes is a complete wild card/unknown at this point in time, I'm not going to continue arguing about the subject with you.

No offense intended, but it's not worth the effort for me to have to repeat the same talking points when you don't really bother paying attention to them.
 
A keepers role is overrated imo. If we actually could score goals and defend like a world class team then we shouldn't need the best goalkeeper. I don't care if De Gea goes.

I dont think the keepers role is overrated but I totally agree in that if we had a solid spine of the team and attackers that kept the opposition on their toes we shouldnt need the best goalkeeper.
I Want DDG to stay but all signs point to him going... let him go and lets get a proper RB, CB and CDM in and the new keeper will not have to work as hard.

Again, it sucks that DDG is leaving (IMO) but it isnt the end of the world.
 
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