De Gea Replacement

[Skills]

Chelsea are probably looking to cash in that Cech too. Offer enough and we'll have Cech'd all the boxes.

We'll need a special cechered goalkeeper jersey next year. Adidas better get on it.

 

[Crackers]

We'll need a special cechered goalkeeper jersey next year. Adidas better get on it.

They petr cech if they can make one in time.

 

[Nickosaur]

Is he good? What's his ceiling?

He's good yes. Think it would be a similar acquisition to DDG, in terms of their ability when we bought them and their potential. Probably would be safer to go for Cech or Lloris, but I'd be over the moon with Leno.

 

[JPRouve]

I don't want Cech because of our high defensive line, he is not sweeper at all.

 

[ravi2]

I think DDG is as good as gone... Cech would be a marvellous replacement.
Levy would take us to the cleaners over Loris.

 

[Browniee]

FFS, back to the bloody drawing board in installing a new GK. feck off Madrid

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

What would ease my pain in losing Big Dave is signing Leno followed by fellow German Schweinsteiger.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

Cech or Lloris and I'll be satisfied, I'd be impressed if we managed to sign Lloris for less than we receive for de Gea.

 

[hebegebe]

Considering that we are going to spend money bringing in a central defended regardless whether we retain de Gea or not, there is no need to have to use any money brought in by the selling of our current keeper on anything other than bringing in a new keeper to replace him. At least one better/more reliable than Valdes.

Nothing wrong with Valdes.

 

[Van Piorsing]

We'll need almost half of a new defense if Valdes is to survive even one season here... could be same story with any new goalkeeper.

I really hope we won't have to replace De Gea but we really need to sort shit out in the back whoever will arrive or stay.

 

[Joemo]

Throw all the money at Oblak.

 

[dave2528]

Nothing wrong with Valdes.

He just came off of a major injury, also, have you ever seen him play? He isn't nearly as good as de Gea and he's prone to Ben Foster levels of momentary lapse of reason.

 

[littlepeasoup]

Nothing wrong with Valdes.

I'd feel happier with a proven Prem keeper to be honest.

 

[Jev]

I hope we stick with Valdes and assess the situation in January. Valdes had become a top-class goalkeeper in his latter years at Barca, and if he can rediscover that form, it would be a waste to buy an expensive new keeper.

If it doesn't work out, Lloris won't be playing Champions League next season, so we could buy him in January and register him for the knockout rounds.

 

[sun_tzu]

I hope we stick with Valdes and assess the situation in January. Valdes had become a top-class goalkeeper in his latter years at Barca, and if he can rediscover that form, it would be a waste to buy an expensive new keeper.

If it doesn't work out, Lloris won't be playing Champions League next season, so we could buy him in January and register him for the knockout rounds.

levy would rip us off even more than over the berbaflop deal if we went begging in January - but yeah I agree that Valdes should be given the opportunity - he is the same age as Van Der Sar when he signed and is good with the ball at his feet which is something LVG looks for - proven himself behind a barca defence that was as attack minded as defences come so lets give him a go (should de gea bugger off to madrid)

 

[SoCross]

Valdes will be dodgy as feck against the highballs. Doubt he'd experienced much of that when playing for Barca in La Liga. I'd be more comfortable with Lloris and then Cech.

 

[Dracula]

LVG wouldn't have bought valdes if he wasn't going to be the number one choice. Remember there were a few clubs after valdes including liverpool, he wouldn't have joined us if he thought he would be second choice to ddg for the next 3 years.

If we buy a new keeper it will be a young upcoming one, possibly similar level to ddg when he first joined

 

[Jev]

Some of you are really underrating Valdes. Quality goalkeeper.

 

[NL Max]

LVG wouldn't have bought valdes if he wasn't going to be the number one choice. Remember there were a few clubs after valdes including liverpool, he wouldn't have joined us if he thought he would be second choice to ddg for the next 3 years.

If we buy a new keeper it will be a young upcoming one, possibly similar level to ddg when he first joined

While I agree that Valdes is good enough and would also prefer to buy a upcoming talent, I don't think van Gaal specifically signed Valdes with the intention of de Gea leaving. I think it was more of a safety net if de Gea decided to leave and Valdes being available. He only has 1 year left on his contract now so he could've gone elsewhere relatively cheap if de Gea stayed and he wanted out.

Valdes replaced Lindegaard, who's not great with his feet. Valdes and de Gea are, that's a very important part for a van Gaal keeper. That's why I don't want Cech.

 

[SonnyTheHaloPro]

I'm taller than Victor Valdes.

 

[dave2528]

Some of you are really underrating Valdes. Quality goalkeeper.

He's prone to really silly errors. I would say that playing for all those Barca squads that dominated possession was a benefit for his reputation.

 

[Decotron]

LVG wouldn't have bought valdes if he wasn't going to be the number one choice. Remember there were a few clubs after valdes including liverpool, he wouldn't have joined us if he thought he would be second choice to ddg for the next 3 years.

If we buy a new keeper it will be a young upcoming one, possibly similar level to ddg when he first joined

Disagree completely, It was an opportunity we couldn't really refuse at the time. He wont be our No 1 if/when De Gea leaves.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

If Valdes was young I'd happily persist with him as number one but I'm not sure he'll develop any further at his age and he's far too weak dealing with crosses to be a Premier League goalkeeper, in my opinion.

 

[The United Irishman]

I don't want Cech because of our high defensive line, he is not sweeper at all.

I'd agree with this and also...If he's not good enough as Chelsea's number 1 then shouldn't we have aspirations to be better than Chelsea?

 

[Jev]

He's prone to really silly errors. I would say that playing for all those Barca squads that dominated possession was a benefit for his reputation.

He was for a long time but he gradually cut out those mistakes. He was a world class keeper by the end.

 

[Mister Ed]

I'd agree with this and also...If he's not good enough as Chelsea's number 1 then shouldn't we have aspirations to be better than Chelsea?

What a ridiculous statement. Courtois is probably even better than De Gea, any keeper would struggle to be nr 1 if they are upon against Courtois. If our aspiration is to have a better or equally good goalkeeper than Chelsea then we'd have to keep De Gea or sign Courtois or Neuer which simply isn't going happen.

Cech is a very good goalkeeper. Not as good anymore as the previous mentioned threesome but if those 3 are not available to us than Cech surely is the next best thing.

Now him not being the right type of keeper for us is another disucssion but him not being nr 1 at Chelsea because Chelsea has one of the absolute best goalkeepers in the world in Courtois (imo even better than DDG) is a complete non argument to not signing Cech. He'd be nr 1 in the goal at any team that doesn't have either Courtois, De Gea or Neuer available as their goalkeeper.

 

[The United Irishman]

What a ridiculous statement. Courtois is probably even better than De Gea, any keeper would struggle to be nr 1 if they are upon against Courtois. If our aspiration is to have a better or equally good goalkeeper than Chelsea then we'd have to keep De Gea or sign Courtois or Neuer which simply isn't going happen.

Cech is a very good goalkeeper. Not as good anymore as the previous mentioned threesome but if those 3 are not available to us than Cech surely is the next best thing.

Now him not being the right type of keeper for us is another disucssion but him not being nr 1 at Chelsea because Chelsea has one of the absolute best goalkeepers in the world in Courtois (imo even better than DDG) is a complete non argument to not signing Cech. He'd be nr 1 in the goal at any team that doesn't have either Courtois, De Gea or Neuer available as their goalkeeper.

Keep your bloody shorts on man! I agree we already have a WC goalie in De Gea who looks destined for Madrid...But if Cech isn't Chelsea's number one then I don't want him..simple! As I've already said before I'd much rather have Leno and develop him to rival DDG, Neuer, and Courtois as a one of the best. We shouldn't be looking at a weaker stop gap with champions number 2, we should be going after someone young, talented, and huge potential that we can get the next 15 years out of.

 

[reelworld]

Would love to have Cech, but I will be happy to see what Valdes can bring to the table. His weakness with high ball is overrated I feel. Once he's comfortable with his defense, I think he'll be okay. I like that he can pass it out from the back and a good organizer at the back

 

[Mister Ed]

LVG wouldn't have bought valdes if he wasn't going to be the number one choice. Remember there were a few clubs after valdes including liverpool, he wouldn't have joined us if he thought he would be second choice to ddg for the next 3 years.

If we buy a new keeper it will be a young upcoming one, possibly similar level to ddg when he first joined

Valdes will only be De Geas replacement if we can't manage to get a better player than him.

For godsakes he went to Monaco after that so called best season of his at Barca. Why couldn't he go to a better team than Monaco if he is that good ?

No Valdes is overrated, Barca didnt see a further with him anymore and wanted somebody younger and more talented for the nr 1 and he would have been nr 2 at Barca if he had stayed there. He didn't want to be nr 2 so he left. Monaco at the time was signing up any big name player that they could and was probably the only club that wanted to take on Valdes as nr 1 and give in to his wage demands. But than the big injurry happened and the move didnt happen and Valdes ended without a contract and without a club to pay his wages when injurred. Obviously Valdes would have lowered his demands and expectations at that time to get back into football on a reasonable level and United was a good opportunity for him. If anything it was a solid paycheck and a chance to train with the team and get back into shape (which is also how it first started out just training along). For us it was a chance to sign an experienced player as nr 2 for free.

 

[Member 5225]

Cech or Lloris in that order.
Or Valdes for a year as we scout for another wonderkid.

 

[Mister Ed]

Keep your bloody shorts on man! I agree we already have a WC goalie in De Gea who looks destined for Madrid...But if Cech isn't Chelsea's number one then I don't want him..simple! As I've already said before I'd much rather have Leno and develop him to rival DDG, Neuer, and Courtois as a one of the best. We shouldn't be looking at a weaker stop gap with champions number 2, we should be going after someone young, talented, and huge potential that we can get the next 15 years out of.

Another ridiculous statement

Who has been the last player we've signed that stayed here for 15 years ?

Do we hand out 15 year contracts that we get players to sign ? No we don't and nobody would sign them. So if we'd get Leno it will only be on a 5 year contract and nothing is saying he won't do a similar thing like De Gea when that contract is up.

Perhaps Bayern will searching for a new goalkeeper by that time when neuer is 34 years olds. And Leno will feel going back to Germany and playing for the great Bayern will be too good a move to miss out on and will refuse to renew his contract by that time. Now I'am not saying that is what will happen but nothing guarantees that a De Gea scenario would not repeat itself when we sign another talented young goalkeeper.

Thinking any young player will just turn out as good as De Gea is living in dreamworld. Thinking that they will stay with us for 15 years is just being naive.

I'd rather stay away from them as much as we can. They are ridiculously expensive because we paid alsmost as much for De Gea to get him from Atletico as we will get from him now that he wants to leave and has only 1 year left on his contract. And we will be paying similar ridiculous money for somebody like Leno. Than it takes time atleast 2 years to get such a young keeper to really realise his potential. And by the time they do if your lucky enough that they do, the big clubs like Real and Bayern show their face when it is time for the keeper to make a decision on renewing his contract and more often than not they will not turn down those big clubs. So right now I'd say no, investing time and money in a young goalkeeper and risking another De Gea situation is just silly and not worth it.

Cech is the onlyone out there that represents good value. He is still a top goalkeeper. He won't need time to settle in and he won't cost the earth. Checks all boxes for what we should be searching for. Valdes can be a back-up option in case a move for Cech fails and no other good target is available for a decent price.

 

[Mister Ed]

I really think United has to make a statement with this situation. So tirred of losing our best players for peanuts paying silly money to get players in.

De Gea has been our best man player for the last 2 seasons. He is young and already top 3 in the world as a goalkeeper. His value for me is atleast 70 or 80 million euro. The contract situation makes it difficult to ask for such an amount but imo any transfer has to be for atleast half that amount (35 or 40 million euro) or else we are just being robbed and I don't want that.

I don't care if we lose him for nothing the next year. We are a very rich club with healthy revenues and such a small amount as €25m will not make a significant difference for us. The matter is not a financial one it is one about principals. Imo the principal about us not being a small time club that Real can bully and shop at every year for discount prices is much more important than missing out on €25 million.

Beside if we keep De Gea for 1 more year than atleast we'll have more time to find a good replacement and it deffers any possible move and you never know what can ahppen during a year. Maybay Real will lose interest and sign somebody else, maybay De Gea will break up with his girldfriend or have a change of mind and decide to stay. Maybay Real will get transfer banned and not be allowed to sign him next summer. It doesn't really matter we should just be firm about this and tell them if you want De Gea, the price is 40 million euro and not a penny less !

I'd go even further and tell them that if they want him they must submit an offer of 40 million by the end of next week or else we will just consider De Gea a United player for next season and start our preparation with him as nr 1 in goal. We can't afford to be played with like this. We can't afford to lose De Gea and having to rush to find a replacement and fit him with such important CL qualifiers coming up already in August. We need to be at our best by that time and we need to start the season on a high. Knowing who will play goalkeeping position is vital for that.

We should demand to have clarification about this asap and put a deadline on it. If Real don't pay up the requested amount by that time than will make the decision for them and for De Gea and keep him another year.

 

[Sarni]

I really think United has to make a statement with this situation. So tirred of losing our best players for peanuts paying silly money to get players in.

De Gea has been our best man player for the last 2 seasons. He is young and already top 3 in the world as a goalkeeper. His value for me is atleast 70 or 80 million euro. The contract situation makes it difficult to ask for such an amount but imo any transfer has to be for atleast half that amount (35 or 40 million euro) or else we are just being robbed and I don't want that.

I don't care if we lose him for nothing the next year. We are a very rich club with healthy revenues and such a small amount as €25m will not make a significant difference for us. The matter is not a financial one it is one about principals. Imo the principal about us not being a small time club that Real can bully and shop at every year for discount prices is much more important than missing out on €25 million.

Beside if we keep De Gea for 1 more year than atleast we'll have more time to find a good replacement and it deffers any possible move and you never know what can ahppen during a year. Maybay Real will lose interest and sign somebody else, maybay De Gea will break up with his girldfriend or have a change of mind and decide to stay. Maybay Real will get transfer banned and not be allowed to sign him next summer. It doesn't really matter we should just be firm about this and tell them if you want De Gea, the price is 40 million euro and not a penny less !

I'd go even further and tell them that if they want him they must submit an offer of 40 million by the end of next week or else we will just consider De Gea a United player for next season and start our preparation with him as nr 1 in goal. We can't afford to be played with like this. We can't afford to lose De Gea and having to rush to find a replacement and fit him with such important CL qualifiers coming up already in August. We need to be at our best by that time and we need to start the season on a high. Knowing who will play goalkeeping position is vital for that.

We should demand to have clarification about this asap and put a deadline on it. If Real don't pay up the requested amount by that time than will make the decision for them and for De Gea and keep him another year.

What statement? We have a player who doesn't want to be here and wants to join Real Madrid. Tough luck, over the last several years Juventus, Chelsea, Bayern, Arsenal and numerous other big clubs had found themselves in a similar position.

If Real present us a good offer (£25m+ would be very good for a goalkeeper with one year left on his contract) then it'd be pointless to keep him against his will. We should build for future and De Gea quite clearly won't be a part of our future.

 

[Mister Ed]

What statement? We have a player who doesn't want to be here and wants to join Real Madrid. Tough luck, over the last several years Juventus, Chelsea, Bayern, Arsenal and numerous other big clubs had found themselves in a similar position.

If Real present us a good offer (£25m+ would be very good for a goalkeeper with one year left on his contract) then it'd be pointless to keep him against his will. We should build for future and De Gea quite clearly won't be a part of our future.

Either read my post more carefully or learn the difference between pounds and euros.

I've said we should make a statement and not sell him for €25m which is the amount being quaoted in the most recent articles today. And I've said we should ask for atleast €35m or tell them to get lost.

€25m = £18m (which is exactly the amount we bought him for when he came from Atletico meaning we won't make a penny profit on him)

€35m = £25m

so yea if we get £25m+ that would be a fair price for him that is what I said in my original post which you obviously didnt read carefully enough ! But it is also not the money that Real are offering and the amount they are offering is outright insulting if you consider how good he is and how much we paid for him to bring him here. Regardless of the year left on his contract.

We can just as well prepare for a future without De Gea in the course of next year and just let him finish his contract here. Nothing forces us to sell him and De Gea will be professional enough to understand respect it.

 

[Silva]

Break the bank for Neuer. Bayern could probably use £50 or £60m.

 

[Sheldon69]

Why is valdes so poorly rated ? He must be decent if he's played for Barcelona and won a bucket load of trophys???
Is there something I'm missing here ?

 

[The United Irishman]

Another ridiculous statement

Who has been the last player we've signed that stayed here for 15 years ?

Do we hand out 15 year contracts that we get players to sign ? No we don't and nobody would sign them. So if we'd get Leno it will only be on a 5 year contract and nothing is saying he won't do a similar thing like De Gea when that contract is up.

Perhaps Bayern will searching for a new goalkeeper by that time when neuer is 34 years olds. And Leno will feel going back to Germany and playing for the great Bayern will be too good a move to miss out on and will refuse to renew his contract by that time. Now I'am not saying that is what will happen but nothing guarantees that a De Gea scenario would not repeat itself when we sign another talented young goalkeeper.

Thinking any young player will just turn out as good as De Gea is living in dreamworld. Thinking that they will stay with us for 15 years is just being naive.

I'd rather stay away from them as much as we can. They are ridiculously expensive because we paid alsmost as much for De Gea to get him from Atletico as we will get from him now that he wants to leave and has only 1 year left on his contract. And we will be paying similar ridiculous money for somebody like Leno. Than it takes time atleast 2 years to get such a young keeper to really realise his potential. And by the time they do if your lucky enough that they do, the big clubs like Real and Bayern show their face when it is time for the keeper to make a decision on renewing his contract and more often than not they will not turn down those big clubs. So right now I'd say no, investing time and money in a young goalkeeper and risking another De Gea situation is just silly and not worth it.

Cech is the onlyone out there that represents good value. He is still a top goalkeeper. He won't need time to settle in and he won't cost the earth. Checks all boxes for what we should be searching for. Valdes can be a back-up option in case a move for Cech fails and no other good target is available for a decent price.

...Reallly? Again? Do you mind refraining from using this ignorant tone? Once is enough but twice in a row...Everyone has different opinions, catch a breath will you.

 

[shabz]

Why is valdes so poorly rated ? He must be decent if he's played for Barcelona and won a bucket load of trophys???
Is there something I'm missing here ?

Doesn't seem big enough for the league. Will need to be stronger coming to get the ball but doesn't have the height of De Gea, De Gea was young so we nurtured him, how much more can you teach Valdes. Barcelona kept the ball so well he was almost a passenger every game we don't possess such qualities, but he could be our no 1 if we had a a stronger defence and wasn't relied upon almost every game like De Gea was this season.

 

[bosnian_red]

Why is valdes so poorly rated ? He must be decent if he's played for Barcelona and won a bucket load of trophys???
Is there something I'm missing here ?

Had an ACL surgery and barely played in a year... Like Falcao, you never know how they'll recover.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

Why is valdes so poorly rated ? He must be decent if he's played for Barcelona and won a bucket load of trophys???
Is there something I'm missing here ?

Valdes has never been the most commanding goalkeeper, he's a top class shot stopper though and I think most recognise that. Playing in the Premier League as a 'keeper requires an ability to deal with crosses and high balls into the box, which he hasn't demonstrated thus far.