David Ornstein: Man Utd want to keep Marcus Rashford | Consideration of sale if Rashford wants to take on a new challenge or a substantial bid arrives

Rashford has the same PR agency as Ronaldo, Sancho, Varane since September 2023. I’d say it seems to do him no good.
 
No way he wants a new challenge, he’s happy doing feck all. We’re stuck with him unfortunately.

Very much this. Definitely the kind of player who will be happy collecting his money and doing as little as possible for the next few years.
 
No way he wants a new challenge, he’s happy doing feck all. We’re stuck with him unfortunately.
He won’t be going anywhere ….he knows he’d never get away with his shite anywhere else
 
The only hope i think is that he takes on board the reasons why he wasn't included for England over the next few weeks and comes into pre season with some energy and desire.
It wouldn't surprise me if that happened and he had a good season next year and we do need him to really. Sticking with EtH means that the emphasis is on him and not a new manager-fresh start scenario we've seen over the years.
 
Do you know anything about it from the outside?
Of course I don't but his attitude has been in question for quite some time now from caftards and profesionals alike. Surely people reach a stage where they start to think that maybe there’s something in it after all? It's not an outrageous take.

He's had a 3 month purple patch over the course of the last 3 seasons. Spin it anyway you want. That's nowhere good enough if we're aspiring to get back to the top.
 
I really can't comprehend people on here relentlessly defending particular players, Rashford is the perfect example. How can anyone look at him last season and not see that his attitude stank? It was plain to see. But oh no we have the usual lot in here trying to brush that under the carpet.

I have no issue with a player being out of form, it sucks for the team, but it happens. If that's all that was going on with Rashford last season then most wouldn't care nearly as much, as I said it'd suck but you know he'd eventually get past it. But this attitude problem? That's a different story.
 
You watch clips of him from a few years ago and he had blistering pace and was beating players with footwork easily. Everyone complains about his attitude and application but for me the problem is that he's just not that player anymore, whether it was the injuries or not I don't know but I don't see him getting that back.

You'd wonder if he's struggling to come to terms with that which could lead to demotivation.

He's in his prime at 27, surely?

Ten Hag showed great faith in him in his first season. Heaped praise on him and told him he can do even better.

He got that (crazy) contract and crumbled.
 
He's in his prime at 27, surely?
If he had retained the speed of his younger years, sure.

But he looked painfully slow last season compared to what he once was.

His best attributes were off the ball running in behind the opposition defence, and beating defenders 1v1 in order to get a shot away. Both of those attributes are severely diminished now he's not as quick as he was.

The negative aspects of his game like poor ball retention and decision making remain the same. His off the ball work ethic has just gotten worse and worse as the years have passed also.
 
He's in his prime at 27, surely?

Ten Hag showed great faith in him in his first season. Heaped praise on him and told him he can do even better.

He got that (crazy) contract and crumbled.

Well it should be his prime but he's definitely lost some physical attributes. It's not just a lack of application or love of the game.
 
How long ago was that?

2018/19 season that was!

Imagine trying to convince fans that it's worth holding on to an Eriksen or Evans because you "can't question their talent" from 6 years ago.

Rashford has had several abysmal seasons since that clip.
 
It only damaged his reputation among casual fans who don't know what they're talking about.

No club or manager worth their salt will think that he's a suddenly shit player because he didn't perform well in a team should've finished 15th on 44 points, 18 away from relegation zone, according to the underlying statistics.

And I love how you dismiss three good seasons from the last five as a purple patch. When there's more purple patch than bad performances since 2019 (or since his debut basically), do you still call it that?
:lol:

But you top reds know better, eh?
 
Pace, power, ball-carrying, ball striking, passing, transition threat, being a game changer, two-footedness, in all of these Rashford is light years ahead of Sancho. The only thing Sancho has over him is linking-up and combining in tight areas. Or is there something else in your opinion?
Hasn't shown any of that for the last 18 months, maybe even longer.
 
Well, Southgate leaving him out was a truly idiotic brave decision and I've voiced my opinion about that many times on here. Every single player he took is inferior superior to Rashford on the left wing.
That's the reality.
 
Well it should be his prime but he's definitely lost some physical attributes. It's not just a lack of application or love of the game.
The thing is he diminished those attributes by playing for the team when he shouldn’t have/didn’t need to as well. And the fans still seem to hate him. He was poor last season but I genuinely believe he cares for the club and has demonstrated this in the past.

Pure assumption but I can understand if he feels some resentment too. Instead of supporters supporting you when you struggle they do the opposite. Just to clarify I’m not talking blindly backing someone but I’m talking about less outright negativity and abuse.
 
Maybe he will consider for his mental health. If he doesn't like the abuse that he is getting on social media, just go to PSG. He can continue winning the French league for years to come. Come on PSG, put in a bid.
 
It only damaged his reputation among casual fans who don't know what they're talking about.

No club or manager worth their salt will think that he's a suddenly shit player because he didn't perform well in a team should've finished 15th on 44 points, 18 away from relegation zone, according to the underlying statistics.

And I love how you dismiss three good seasons from the last five as a purple patch. When there's more purple patch than bad performances since 2019 (or since his debut basically), do you still call it that?
You've missed the fact that one of the reasons we should've finished 15th is because he was dreadful, along with a lot of others.

If he was one of our best players in a bad team, then he'd be getting some sympathy e.g. Dalot, Mainoo managed to come out the season with some credit despite playing in the same poor team.

3 good seasons out of 5, but we could also say 1 good season in his last 3. And the more recent seasons are most relevant.

More importantly than that, 2 out the last 3 seasons he's spent sulking and not putting in the required effort. That's clearly not a player we need around the squad who goes into the season and we don't know if he'll even be arsed trying this year.

Lastly, he's physically declined and lost a lot of pace which is his main attribute, so the earlier we sell the better as this may be our last chance to cash in for decent money.
 
The thing is he diminished those attributes by playing for the team when he shouldn’t have/didn’t need to as well. And the fans still seem to hate him. He was poor last season but I genuinely believe he cares for the club and has demonstrated this in the past.

Pure assumption but I can understand if he feels some resentment too. Instead of supporters supporting you when you struggle they do the opposite. Just to clarify I’m not talking blindly backing someone but I’m talking about less outright negativity and abuse.

absolutely agree mate. A lot of people are putting it down to application but in think there's something deeper. He's lost pace and the ability to best someone one on one when at times he was electric. I'm leaning over the last while towards the opinion that it's injuries have taken his gifts away..
 
absolutely agree mate. A lot of people are putting it down to application but in think there's something deeper. He's lost pace and the ability to best someone one on one when at times he was electric. I'm leaning over the last while towards the opinion that it's injuries have taken his gifts away..
It’s this factor that makes me want to comment. Put yourself in his position, and while footballers live a different life, negativity affects us all. Others he was close to in the squad also had issues too which does exacerbate the situation. I think he can adapt his game though as he can pass and move, just needs to pick his moments better.
 
He's going nowhere, not sure why people are putting so much energy into wishing, moaning and hoping. I just don't see a move materializing this summer.
 
You can't argue that it isn't on brand if we do end up keeping him after we also didn't sack ETH.
 
What happened to his pace and his shooting? A dramatic decline compared to last year.
 
What happened to his pace and his shooting? A dramatic decline compared to last year.

Regarding his shooting, there was an article in February that makes a good case that he's just been blasting it a lot more, when most of the times when he actually scores (actually every time in the season up to that point) was either a placed shot or a hybrid of sorts. Michael Cox concludes that Rashford basically needed to be trusting his own technique more.
 
Regarding his shooting, there was an article in February that makes a good case that he's just been blasting it a lot more, when most of the times when he actually scores (actually every time in the season up to that point) was either a placed shot or a hybrid of sorts. Michael Cox concludes that Rashford basically needed to be trusting his own technique more.

Yes, this is my feeling too. He blast it more than he place it now (the city goal was amazing though). But he needs to find the technique again.
 
Would you accept a 35m bid?

lol
If we don’t have to subsidise his crazy wages, I’d snatch their hands off for £35m.
He’s bang average, with a big time Charlie attitude.
On £325k a week basic, that’s nearly £68m we’ll spend until his contract is up in 2028.
No wonder Bruno wants a pay rise when he sees the money that this loafer is on.
 
He's going nowhere, not sure why people are putting so much energy into wishing, moaning and hoping. I just don't see a move materializing this summer.

Especially as Martial has left, we've got to get rid of Greenwood and Sancho still, and if possible, flog Antony. Moving on Rashford is so far down the priority list it's unbelievable.
 
You've missed the fact that one of the reasons we should've finished 15th is because he was dreadful, along with a lot of others.

If he was one of our best players in a bad team, then he'd be getting some sympathy e.g. Dalot, Mainoo managed to come out the season with some credit despite playing in the same poor team.

3 good seasons out of 5, but we could also say 1 good season in his last 3. And the more recent seasons are most relevant.

More importantly than that, 2 out the last 3 seasons he's spent sulking and not putting in the required effort. That's clearly not a player we need around the squad who goes into the season and we don't know if he'll even be arsed trying this year.

Lastly, he's physically declined and lost a lot of pace which is his main attribute, so the earlier we sell the better as this may be our last chance to cash in for decent money.

You don't know what you're talking about, like 90% of people in this thread, but that's okay.
 
Rashford ain’t going anywhere. Not this year anyway. Sancho and Greenwood will be getting sold so I highly doubt we sell another winger.
 
I dont think Rashford has hit the potential everyone thought he would, he's a bang average player these days, so I would get rid at the first opportunity.

However, if we are stuck with him then so be it, but I would make it 100% clear as day to him that he's a squad player and not an automatic first team selection. All to often this season he was automatically selected, regardless of the shit games he had, which were a lot.
 
I really really want us to cash in on Rashford. Hes been a huge disappointment, just doesn't seem to have the heart to be a top player. He has the ability but without the burning desire he has become a liability.
we need to sell to buy and he is one id happily let go.. SELL Rashford Greenwood and Sancho. £150 mil there for the kitty.
 
The only challenge is finding some other mug club who would be willing to pay him £350k per week. Brutal.
 
It’s fine to say he’s been poor lately, because he obviously has. But the lengths some fans go to to slag off their own players amazes me. This forum feels like a Twitter feed at times.
 
The thing is he diminished those attributes by playing for the team when he shouldn’t have/didn’t need to as well. And the fans still seem to hate him. He was poor last season but I genuinely believe he cares for the club and has demonstrated this in the past.

Pure assumption but I can understand if he feels some resentment too. Instead of supporters supporting you when you struggle they do the opposite. Just to clarify I’m not talking blindly backing someone but I’m talking about less outright negativity and abuse.
If he doesn't like the "abuse" maybe he should give a feck on the pitch and not just wander around aimlessly. A bit of effort would be nice.
 
If he doesn't like the "abuse" maybe he should give a feck on the pitch and not just wander around aimlessly. A bit of effort would be nice.
Theres not need to quote abuse as if it’s not factual. It is. Check twitter/X. And your post highlights the exact presumption i mentioned. Also even if he doesn’t track back all the time, all players lose concentration this isn’t solely a him issue, ive seen him bust his arse for arse and put effort in.
 
It's time to part ways I don't know how this is even a discussion. He's just as much a representation of bad times as Martial was.