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David Ornstein: Man Utd want to keep Marcus Rashford | Consideration of sale if Rashford wants to take on a new challenge or a substantial bid arrives
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19/20: Great season, in a somewhat functional team and system (after Bruno's arrival at least)
20/21: Great season, in a somewhat functional team and system
21/22: Awful season, in a completely dogshit team and system
22/23: Great season, in a somewhat functional team and system
23/24: Awful season, in a completely dogshit team and system
He's never been the problem when the team was collectively good, he's actually been one of our best players in those seasons. Unless you think 21/22 and 23/24 are both solely on him, which is very obviously not the case, then is he really that inconsistent?
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Sorry but there’s absolutely no way Marcus Rashford Is one of our most talented players. What are these talents he possesses? I’m not disputing he can be a good player, but that’s a different thing. On form he maximises pretty limited overall ability. Take the Rashford Vs Martial debate from years ago, Martial was on another level of talent when compared to Rashford, he could do things with the ball Rashford couldn’t get close to. However in football talent is only ever a small part of the equation so can’t be looked at in isolation.
Of course he doesn't want to leave, he's on £350k/week basic with substantial add-ons and has a relatively easy life as half of our supporters still adore him. If he thinks he's being crucified here, he'd have been run out of town at Madrid, Paris, Turin etc. by now.
He's 27 in October, realistically this summer is crucial - he has to produce three consistent seasons now for his career to be anything other than a disappointment. I think a move would be best for him too, he clearly struggles with being the "home grown idol" and I fear if he stays his career is going to fizzle out as an inconsistent disappointment to us and a frustration to himself.
He's 27 in October, realistically this summer is crucial - he has to produce three consistent seasons now for his career to be anything other than a disappointment. I think a move would be best for him too, he clearly struggles with being the "home grown idol" and I fear if he stays his career is going to fizzle out as an inconsistent disappointment to us and a frustration to himself.
You seem to be defining talent in a pretty narrow, specific way that's more based on personal preference in terms of play style. Martial was a better dribbler and a better natural finisher than rashford, but those aren't the only things that make 'talent'. Innate physical gifts also count towards talent. Similarly positioning, in game intelligence etc etc.
I've been heavily critical of him but if ETH gets a free pass and excuses galore it has to be extended to the players.
Let's see show he fares under the new INEOS structure, medical team, and a more positive team.
Let's see show he fares under the new INEOS structure, medical team, and a more positive team.
i’ve got better things to be doing with my time. i mean, they have.
That 350k a week contract is going to be a noose around the clubs neck for the foreseeable. If rashford doesn't get his act together we are going to have a lot of player agents asking why their clients are not receiving the same pay (Bruno). If we can get rid it will be blessing.
At £300k a week, you don’t get to be the guy who looks good when everyone else is playing well.
You need to be the guy that inspires your team to be better. You need to be posting elite numbers and performing up there with the best players in the league and Europe, every week.
Failing any and all of that, I don’t United fans are expecting too much just by expecting him to work hard and run.
Sure, but Rashford isn’t particularly special in that way. If we are talking pure talent I’d have Mainoo, Garnacho, Martinez, Bruno, Shaw hell even Sancho above Rashford. He was never considered a brilliant talent in our academy he just did fantastically well to take his opportunities. He maximises pretty average talent at his best, similar to someone like Sterling. That’s why when he’s off form, he can often be a complete liability because truthfully he doesn’t have the base talent needed to maintain a low base level.
I'd be delighted to see him moved on this Summer, as I think it'd be for everyone's benefit. But it seems very, very unlikely.
Rashford, Sancho, Antony, Greenwood & Pellistri all need moving on in my opinion for various reasons. Mad when you think about it.
I was so excited for the era of:
Rashford - Martial - Greenwood
How wrong I was ..
Rashford, Sancho, Antony, Greenwood & Pellistri all need moving on in my opinion for various reasons. Mad when you think about it.
I was so excited for the era of:
Rashford - Martial - Greenwood
How wrong I was ..
I agree. I also think he’s on a hiding to nothing from the fans and media. If he performs like 2 seasons ago it will be it shows he’s only up for it when it personally affects him, then for a new contract, now because he’s no longer a certainty for Utd and England. If he performs like last season then he’s finished and should move on asap.
Personality I think it would be best for him and Utd to move on, get out of the Utd fishbowl where every mistake is scrutinised.
He's not even the second most.
Every time I read an opinion like this, I am reminded of:
You can question Rashfords application and attitude. I do frequently. But you can’t question his talent.
He‘s a luxury player for when everything is going well. When things ain’t clicking he goes missing
The problem is his silly wage. £350k is horrific value for what he provides.
I don't mind having him in the squad or as a starter when he's playing well, but it's the star player tag he has that he's never truly earned.
I don't mind having him in the squad or as a starter when he's playing well, but it's the star player tag he has that he's never truly earned.
He's nowhere near our most talented player.
Why are you impressed by that exactly?
Both pretty poor at positioning and game intelligence.
Guy has had one fantastic half of a second season last year and then returns to norm. He's been crap for years now and never pushed on. Joke to say he's the most talented footballer at the club, let alone easily. Also, talent doesnt mean a jot if you can't be bothered to work for it. He's stunk up the place for far too long now, and has never progressed.
Just for the record players at the club who were more talented than him.
Garnacho
Bruno
Mainoo
Martial (same bad attitude but infinity more talent)
Guess no club is interested in buying him then.
Yeah I'd probably agree. My irritation was at the word "easily", as if we are some plucky lower league club with our one star player. There are multiple players at the club who are arguably as talented and even more so.
There are other highly paid players who cannot carry a shit team on their backs...hell, even most world class players can't. The environment and system is by far the most important thing for a footballer regarding being able to be effective and play to their strengths. Who are the guys that inspire their teams and make a dogshit team work? Even Bruno went missing in 21/22, and he's probably one of the only players in world football who can carry a team on their backs. Looking at the highest earners of other top 6 teams, which players making at least 250k per week would've been able to do well in our 21/22 or 23/24 teams? You completely underestimate how dysfunctional and just outright bad the team and system was.
Garnacho and Sancho more natural talent than Rashford
Absolutely horrible take
Rashford doesn’t look right in a front 3 with Højlund and Garnacho. I don’t think they help him, and I don’t think he helps them either. It’s not a fit
Id like Rashford replaced with a youthful wide forward with potential who can grow into a front 3 with Højlund and Garnacho
Greenwood would obviously have been perfect had he not fecked it for himself
Id like Rashford replaced with a youthful wide forward with potential who can grow into a front 3 with Højlund and Garnacho
Greenwood would obviously have been perfect had he not fecked it for himself
Yeah that's definitely why he is staying
Not too unhappy about it. It would have been okay if he wanted a change in scenery and move on. Good that he wants to stay here and get his form back. I am kind of glad that he didn't make the squad for the Euros as he gets much needed rest and the hurt should propel him to do better. He'd would want to make the WC squad in two years time. Two 20 goals seasons are coming up. Go Marcus!
Oooh, Manchester United fans hating one of their best players. Come at me, there's probably hours before Goldbridge's next video.
No, that's not what he is. I'd argue there isn't a player like that out there in world football, and this is just a made-up, stupid thing. "Luxury player", why would any team employ or any coach pick a player like that?
It's a collective effort from the whole team. Rashford can do things very few wingers are able to, if the other 10 players around him are doing their job effectively...you can name any world class player from any team, and they'll still need the environment to be as optimal as possible, in order for them to be able to actually provide what they can offer to the team. Put Haaland or KDB into this 8th placed United side, and their numbers take a massive hit. Same with Salah, Saka, etc. but that doesn't mean they forgot how to play football overnight, or that they are lazy or don't care. The opposite is true as well. Put Rashford into City or Arsenal, and he'll start doing well.
Btw was "everything going well" in those 3 seasons out of the last 5, where Rashford was very good? The guy hasn't even had the chance to play in anything better than a top 4 contender team and he was still one of the best wingers in the whole league.
We're simply not ruthless enough as a club and that's why we'll fail time and time again. Another season of Rashford when we should be upgrading, and not tolerating last season, and it's not the first time he's completely downed tools coming off a decent season. Let's be honest even his best ones haven't been anything substantial.
Hi Marcus, weren’t you supposed to take time off from social media?
Garnacho and Sancho more natural talent than Rashford
Absolutely horrible take
Sancho quite clearly has much more natural talent than Rashford, and I don't think it's particularly close. Sancho was rated as the more talented in City's academy between him and Foden. I don't understand how you can claim Rashford is more naturally talented than Sancho who is ridiculously talented technically.
As for Garnacho, I think he is quite similar to Rashford, but not necessarily more talented. He is much more threatening offensively right now than Rashford, and actually offers work rate.
It's actually incredible the lengths some people go to in order to justify their braindead takes about him. He's one of England's most naturally talented players and people genuinely try to tell you on here that he's a "mid-table player", or claim that players like Mitoma are better than him.
I wish people were generally better at judging a player's talent level.
A lot of people are also acting like Rashford is the sole or biggest problem when things aren't going well. In reality, he's not even really a problem.
The season just gone has damaged his reputation as a footballer in that even if he had another one of his purple patch seasons, a lot of people will rightly be thinking there’s a possibility that he’ll dip big time once again. His reputation can be summed up as flaky now, especially when your season goal tallies go from 21 goals to 5 goals to 30 goals and then 8 goals.
He has to hit at least 20 goals in all comps next season to justify his wages and place here.
He has to hit at least 20 goals in all comps next season to justify his wages and place here.
We should either keep him and play with a 'Martial type striker', of which i only know Zirkzee who might be on the market. Adding Zirkzee would let Rashford make runs from the left into the left channel & into the box, with a player like Zirkzee likely to put him in front of the keeper.
If we stick to starting Hojlund, who enjoys most of his runs from the same left channel into more central spaces, there is no real use of Rashford. I really doubt the combination of Rasmus & Rashford will ever work.
If we stick to starting Hojlund, who enjoys most of his runs from the same left channel into more central spaces, there is no real use of Rashford. I really doubt the combination of Rasmus & Rashford will ever work.
It only damaged his reputation among casual fans who don't know what they're talking about.
No club or manager worth their salt will think that he's a suddenly shit player because he didn't perform well in a team should've finished 15th on 44 points, 18 away from relegation zone, according to the underlying statistics.
And I love how you dismiss three good seasons from the last five as a purple patch. When there's more purple patch than bad performances since 2019 (or since his debut basically), do you still call it that?
Not just Marcus, 95% of the attacking forwards in the world benefit from a striker who can hold up and link up the ball well. We have really lacked a good striker of that ilk since RVP. Zlatan was good too but he was too old and a little slow by the time he joined us. Ten Hag's style of play (the real one, not the mythical one) also requires that type of striker as it is not very progressive and depends on transitions, counter-attacking and lot of hoof balls from the Keeper.