Madrid will be literally unstoppable with De Gea between the sticks. If we want any chance of winning the CL next year we should't sell him.
David De Gea
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Feck this if he wants to go bullshit.
Are you telling me there are no Bayern players that have thought of moving to Real.
Keep your best players. Simple as.
I'm fecking fuming a player that we should never have sold has gone on to score over 400 goals for them.
Yet, people are happy with this BS happening again.
Feck off!!
Are you telling me there are no Bayern players that have thought of moving to Real.
Keep your best players. Simple as.
I'm fecking fuming a player that we should never have sold has gone on to score over 400 goals for them.
Yet, people are happy with this BS happening again.
Feck off!!
Of course we shouldn't sell BUT if you are De Get sitting at home watching this tonight then honestly what are you thinking.
You're wrong, DDG if he wants to go should be allowed to imo, we just need to make it work in a favour this time, Ronaldo was a similar case to DDG, we have just been unfortunate with the nationality of these two players, beyond that we haven't sold them anyone we didn't want to.
He'll get over it.
From our point of view, as long as we can't replace him with superior quality, we should never consider a sale.
We will never really h their level of we start considering selling players simply because they are interested in leaving.
Dave will have just watched Real pick up yet another CL.
Real will have the perfect team if they sign him. It's the only position they can significantly strengthen.
It makes sense for both Dave and Real to want each other.
I fully expect a serious offer to be made for him. I just hope we get Bale in return.
Real will have the perfect team if they sign him. It's the only position they can significantly strengthen.
It makes sense for both Dave and Real to want each other.
I fully expect a serious offer to be made for him. I just hope we get Bale in return.
This. If we sell them we'll show we don't have an ambition to come to the top again.
There's a danger for David that if he joins it'll be at the tailend of a legendary period. He's joining after the side has peaked.
He has nothing to lose if he waits it out to see how we build and how Madrid transition from Ronaldo / Modric etc
De Gea is our only unquestionable World Class player - even if Madrid offer us Bale, we lose long-term by selling him IMO.
It seems to me that he won't go out on a limb for the move - same last time, where he said absolutely nothing and ended up signing a new deal when the transfer fell through. He still has years left on his deal, so I'd refuse to sell, even for £100m. Unless you need the cash to buy better, then what do you achieve by selling? If we sold De Gea and bought Lukaku with the cash, then it's a poor deal for us - it makes no sense to sell unless he downed tools, which is unlikely, given his history.
It seems to me that he won't go out on a limb for the move - same last time, where he said absolutely nothing and ended up signing a new deal when the transfer fell through. He still has years left on his deal, so I'd refuse to sell, even for £100m. Unless you need the cash to buy better, then what do you achieve by selling? If we sold De Gea and bought Lukaku with the cash, then it's a poor deal for us - it makes no sense to sell unless he downed tools, which is unlikely, given his history.
He will go if they make a decent offer. We shouldnt sell him
One can argue De Gea and Ronaldo sre the only players Real have felt are a good enough quality for them.
My point still stands. We are a big club. And when we sign a player, that player has to come with the expectation that he will spend the best part of his career here.
I go back to the Bayern example.
Are you telling me Lewandowski wouldn't be interested in Real.
He knows Bayern wouldn't sell him under any circumstances.
If we don't stop it now ,it will never stop.
Yes thats true, in that respect it would make sense to see how next year goes for us both but another year of us underperforming and madrid doing the same will result surely in only one outcome and even we could not complain then.
If De Gea informs the club he wants to leave, they should honour that and negotiate with Madrid.
As it stands though, he hasn't angled for a move and so Woodward and Co need to tell Madrid to stick it. They don't get to poach our best players. No matter the fee.
As it stands though, he hasn't angled for a move and so Woodward and Co need to tell Madrid to stick it. They don't get to poach our best players. No matter the fee.
Possibly but he'll never be in a side which finishes 6th or won't be challenging for titles. His only concern would be them signing someone better, which is unlikely for a number of years. People always talk about him going home etc but for me, he'd simply be joining a better team, who will be more competitive than we are for at least a few more years.
It's different though, DDG is Spanish, and his home in Madrid, he could have just run the final 12 months of his contract down when the deal fell through 2 years ago, but he signed up so we could protect out asset, and his level hasn't dropped once, if we were talking about Bailly right now then I'd agree with you, tell them to do one, but we're not.
I think now if he does want out, and we can make the deal work for us we should allow him to go, after all it could be better for us to take slight drop in the keeper department if it means we get ourselves a top forward player (assuming we tie one into the deal), as they seem few and far between this summer, and our need is great there.
Why? Our only concern should be having the best team possible - read a quote this week by Martin Keown saying Arsenal should sell Sanchez and Ozil if they aren't committed etc...cliched nonsense IMO - saying "we only want players who are desperate to be here" plays well with fans but ultimately, you lose by selling them - if you have to fight for them then then that's what you should do. De Gea signed a deal, he can be forced to stay unless he refuses to play etc, then as a last resort you'd be forced to but we hold the cards in this deal.
How do we do that?
Where can we find an equally good keeper.?
All the reports have said he's happy to stay.
And will only move if we get a deal we are happy with.
My final thoughts are that we shouldn't be happy with any deal.
Even if Real bid £100m, we should reject it.
We can't replace him so it's no use to us.
And a player going home should be none of our business. That's not a reason to sell him.
Why should the club honor anything? If anything, he has to honor the contract with us or make sure his dream club pays enough for us to let him out of his obligation.
But it'd be a purely human decision. He's held his counsel in recent months and if he wishes to return to his home city (with his partner), the least United can do is look to facilitate that by negotiating with Madrid - despite how little appetite Woodward and Co have for selling to Real.
He's a human being. Not an asset. All you'd be doing is keeping an unhappy, resentful player. And that situation isn't healthy.
If he asks to leave, the club will in all probably, negotiate his departure.
Real have no great reason to go for him, other than Galactico policy and him being Spanish NT #1. Obviously De Gea is better than Navas but from their perspective, they really don't need to spend 60m+ GBP on a GK. They're already La Liga champions and now back to back CL champions. They're better off spending big money on upgrading on Benzema or another top class CB alongside Ramos.
If he's happy then fair enough, but my feeling is that he wants to go, and should be allowed to this time, obviously we won't get an equally good keeper, but we can get a very good one, and if we get a top attacking player from them in return then we will be in a better position than now, which is what counts.
Why does De Gea always get a free pass with this girlfriend excuse. Do no other football players have wives and girlfriends and families?
She isn't chained to a Madrid lamppost. She's just some average singer who doesn't need to permanently reside in Madrid. Why can't she do what all other footballers partners do and move with them.
Just can't buy this excuse about going home to Madrid to be with family and girlfriend.
She isn't chained to a Madrid lamppost. She's just some average singer who doesn't need to permanently reside in Madrid. Why can't she do what all other footballers partners do and move with them.
Just can't buy this excuse about going home to Madrid to be with family and girlfriend.
If Pogbas not the best midfielder in the Premier, then who is?
And before you say Kante, Pogba's stats are considerably better this season. When Pogba doesn't score, it makes the headlines but Kante gets applauded for it. It makes no sense.
Except with DeGea, they would be set in the Gk dept. for the next 10 years. Which puts into perspective the 60m+ outlay. Plus, who said they wouldn't spend on an upgrade on Benzema if they went for DeGea. They could easily go for two top class players.
Do you count Alli as a midfielder? Because he's certainly had a better season than Pogba.
Herrera has too.
Obviously one season doesn't make someone a better player mind.
The least United can do is sell? In what way are we obliged to do so? He was happy to sign a new deal after the last fiasco, so as far as I'm concerned, he can't complain that he is somehow being mistreated.
And the constant talk about him being desperate to go home is nonsense IMO - he didn't have to leave in the first place, he didn't need to sign a new deal and it's ominous to me that he's not pining for his boyhood club but their bitter rivals, who just happen to be the most decorated club in world football, winning 3 CL's in 4 years - IMO it's not about going home but going to a team which will give him a platform for the biggest stages and trophies.
Because you have to sign players in the future...your ability to attract elite-level players is going to take a hit if you're going to take that much of a hard-line stance.
The best Jose can do to stop players from wanting to leave this club is stabilizing the club culture and making the club successful enough to where they won't want to leave. If they still want to go, the most prudent move is to let them so you can pursue a longer term option.
You could say that about so many of Real's big purchases. They buy the best because they can...saying "other than the Galactico policy" is like saying there's nothing tethering us to the ground other than gravity.
I get it but we are not in the position of being able to let go players of his quality - it's a new thing for us having players who can go elsewhere for a better chance of winning, so we need to take a harder stance and use our financial clout if required to throw money at the likes of him to stay, if only temporarily.
We need to say that we won't let our best players go without a fight - he's shown before that he can get over disappointment, so I'm not concerned with the how he reacts - although if he (uncharacteristically) causes trouble, then you might think differently, although I doubt he'd do that.
I didn't say the least United can do is sell, but rather negotiate. De Gea has served this club tremendously, if he wants to return home, then United will do the honourable thing and at least consider it - if Real pay up.
I've also not said he's desperate to go, hence why I said the club only face a decision, if De Gea requests a transfer.
I'd love him to stay, but careers are short, if his ambition lies elsewhere and he wants live in the same city as his partner, then you can't resent him for wanting to move on.
We can find ourselves another keeper - IF De Gea ask to leave!
We shouldn't consider selling him unless he tells us he wants to leave. How many genuinely world class players do we have? Goalkeeper is one of the few positions we don't need to tinker with. Leave it alone
Well if you start negotiating then it can only be to sell - the minute we do, he's gone...and I don't get how it's honourable to sell - he's hugely paid and loved by fans...the honourable thing would for De Gea to accept the contract he signed.
But you know what, if he came out out and said Real offer him the best chance of winning trophies and he's sick of fighting for 4th place then I'd respect that but I don't buy this whole living with is partner thing - he's lived here 5 years and 2 years ago signed to stay here longer and she could always live here with flights to Madrid less time away than my daily commute - these are not the actions of a couple desperate to live in the same city. I've said it before but although I'd understand him liking the idea of going home, if it was an 8th place team wanting him, he'd never go - IMO it's mostly about being competitive/being at a better club.
You're looking at it from a different perspective from me, which is fair enough. But I don't agree.
I don't believe in keeping players who've made it clear they want to leave. If De Dea does that, he can move on.
Next 10 years? De Gea is 26, not 21. Navas is 30, by that logic, Navas also has another 6 years left. GKs can have long careers but not many of them stay at a high level at the end of their careers. Buffon and Van Der Sar are exceptions.
If he wants to join Real, he can make sure they pay the amount we demand to let him out of his contract. Yes, one has to be human but it's also a business and while the players are humans, they are sadly also assets. Their performances and their name determines the value of the Manchester United brand.
If Real is not willing to pay the amount we demand, then they're obviously not desperate enough to acquire him and he has to perform according to the contract he himself signed. Nobody held a gun to his head when he extended his contract with us, it was his decision and one can not always say "Well, I know I said I wanted to be here for the next few years, but well, Real came along and now I don't, so see ya". You're talking about being human, but as much as the club has to treat its players with respect, the players have to show the same type of respect, which means honoring their contract and the promise that came along with it. If a player wants flexibility, he can sign shot-term contracts. That of Course comes along with plenty of other risks, but that's the nature of it.
Again, nobody forced de Gea to extend his contract, he could've just let it run out and gone on to Madrid.
Hope Woody clinches his cheeks and repel Madrid's offers with everything he's got. As the great man said, we shouldn't sell them a virus, let alone our best players. The way they always try to get out best players and unload on us their overpaid rejects is disgusting.
That great man then turned around and sold our best player to them, don't forget. He knew that Ronaldo's heart and ambitions would take him to Madrid eventually. He recognized that Ronaldo had given the club several great seasons, including an additional year even once he had decided that he really wanted to go. It was inevitable, and Ferguson knew it. He extracted a then world record fee and decided that it was time to move on. We found plenty of success post-Ronaldo.
I'm not at all suggesting that we should sell De Gea to Madrid, or that we should make it easy if we do. If De Gea's heart and mind are elsewhere, though, provided the return is acceptable I wouldn't begrudge him the move. Similarly, I wouldn't think less of United for letting him go in those circumstances. These things happen. The club would move on and be just fine.
But neither ronaldo or messi are no 9, i would have included them in the list the first time itself. Rooney atleast i believe was worldclass yet he breached 20 goal mark only twice in his career, this guy has done it thrice already. This season he scored 29 goals in 30 appearances, sure he doesn't do fancy stuff like ronaldo or a messi nor does he score scorchers but he does his job very well better than most in the league.
I did say top 5, he isn't top 2 and i have not said he is top 2 either.
I always thought anyone who played for AM hate Real and vice versa, has anyone ever moved between the clubs before ?