Of course but a great team is not a great team because they have a great goalkeeper. Or at least, they play a part but a smaller part than the outfield players do imo.
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Of course but a great team is not a great team because they have a great goalkeeper. Or at least, they play a part but a smaller part than the outfield players do imo.
Thought this was DDG's transfer thread and not random nonsense thread...
This. Selling him for 60 makes no sense whatsoever when we have to spend at least 2/3 of that getting someone half as good to replace him.
Agreed.
I'm on your side on this one, a great goalkeeper certainly helps and can get you through some difficult games which you might've lost without them, but if your outfield team is good enough all around, you don't need a 'great' goalkeeper to win things, just a competent one.
That's why I think De Gea would only go for around £50m, which is more than a fair price for a goalkeeper. People wanting 80m are just crazy.
He is also only 26 and they would arguably be getting a top 2 keeper and not have to worry for 10 years. £60m would be too cheap if you look at it over 10 years, £80-100m is a better deal. Even then if you think over 10 seasons if he continues to be the best in the world then its a steal.
I doubt Real will take no for an answer, if they have decided they want him they won't give up and if DDG says he wants to leave and go to Real, United should jack the price up as far as possible or get some Real players in exchange/part exchange.
Having both is necessary when you face top teams and top players in ucl and epl and are aiming to win the competition. We have faced an era between schmeichael and vandersar so we know better.
Real were prepapred to pay £44mil two summers ago when he had only one year left on his contract. £29mil plus Navas-worth around £15mil at the time.
Now he has 3 years left on his contract and the market has moved on since then. Look how much City have paid for Ederson.
Anything less than £60mil is an insult.
Wow some crazy stuff on here...
This 60M nonsense was pretty much proved as a BS story last night. Sky even dropped it off their yellow scrolling banner double quick. They even changed the wording from "sky sources" to "sky understands that". Eh, we dont have the source to back that up but we kinda believe it might be true.... Its a huge climb down from them.
Don't it ring very familar to the griezmann news? In its type of timeline
United get positive news one day, usually from reliable sources
Sky spend the rest of the week spreading stories of nevativity to counter the positive factual news we got.
No credible jurno or media outlet has gone on record to say they are the source. But there is a growing gaggle of them saying, nobody involved knows anything and are questioning the timing before the CL final.
Think about it a sec.... You actually think 3 days before their biggest game of the season, Real, are going to piss off their keeper?
There was no 60M bid, its fake news, form sky and the sun.
I thank you Mr Trump.
This 60M nonsense was pretty much proved as a BS story last night. Sky even dropped it off their yellow scrolling banner double quick. They even changed the wording from "sky sources" to "sky understands that". Eh, we dont have the source to back that up but we kinda believe it might be true.... Its a huge climb down from them.
Don't it ring very familar to the griezmann news? In its type of timeline
United get positive news one day, usually from reliable sources
Sky spend the rest of the week spreading stories of nevativity to counter the positive factual news we got.
No credible jurno or media outlet has gone on record to say they are the source. But there is a growing gaggle of them saying, nobody involved knows anything and are questioning the timing before the CL final.
Think about it a sec.... You actually think 3 days before their biggest game of the season, Real, are going to piss off their keeper?
There was no 60M bid, its fake news, form sky and the sun.
I thank you Mr Trump.
Thank you. It's what I keep writing in this thread. Agents and the media have a tacit agreement to keep each other 'relevant' by fabricating this stuff based on precedent or 'likelihood'
No spanish media have reported of a bid for de Gea (except of course when quoting Sky's piece). I doubt Madrid makes a bid of this kind without Marca, COPE or SER catching a whiff of it.
De Gea is not going anywhere.
Yes we have normally sold players for peanuts but not Ronaldo at that time(Now it looks like cheap though considering Ronaldo's brilliance, longevity and money in football). 80m was a huge money at that time. because no player would be sold at 40m. The whole world was suffering from financial crisis of 2008. United were on its peak and still our revenue is less than 300m£. Ours had the most debt as well. Due to Glazers, we were like current arsenal (in player wages for our top stars, not much exaggeration) of those days when Chelsea, Spanish and Italian clubs paid more than us for top players and Spanish had preferential tax system. Individual TV deals was the sugardaddy for the 2 Spanish clubs for the last decade which made no other clubs to compete with them.
Then the football revenues of clubs increased in the next few years. Now our revenue has doubled. Now the increased PL TV deal make all PL clubs as sugardaddy clubs compared to their similar continental counterpart. So we got to the point of breaking the 80m mark twice. Simply put, those big 2 Spanish clubs cannot blow a top PL club(United, Chelsea, City) or top players for wages anymore. This is why Hazard transfer wont happen. Spurs/Arsenal/Liverpool are vulnerable though in terms of wages.
To equate Ronaldo sale to this year they have to pay 170m£ min to get Ronaldo from us, also our revenue is going to increase massively in next year so even that figure wont bring us to sell him.
Regarding De Gea, we do what we want. He is not in his last year contract. Its our price if we think he is expendable (in terms of quality or compassionate reason not exactly similar but like Chelsea did with Cech) then Real will be lucky to get us to the table.
Sky still saying we rejected the bid and they are confident about their contacts.
More bollocks from Sky Sports
More bollocks from Sky Sports
They were willing to pay full 80 m upfront also so we punched below the weight in business sense. Now we are in a position to set a trend.
When transfer news runs out, random nonsense thrives!You think Bayern will be selling Neuer for 40 Million?
Madrid paid 45 Million for a player who didn't make professional debut and City have paid 40 Million for a keeper who played his first season as #1.
Transfer money is worth different to different clubs, 60 Million for ManUtd is nothing considering the money it takes to sign one more top GK and with all the other costs associated with it.
40 Million is laughable, might get his used gloves though.
Worth less? I agree. But how much is less? Like I said, for ManUtd 40 Million is less, 60 Million might be also less.
Sorry but this is utter bollocks mate. Not sure how long you've been watching Utd but if you'd been watching in 96 for just one example you would know I'm right. As good as pally and Bruce were they weren't world class, schmeichel was directly responsible for many many points that season alone that we had no right to get, and along with King Eric was the most important player in our double that year.
World class attacker > World class defender > World class Goalkeeper. Agreed.
World Class defender Bonucci(30) has 3-4 years left at top valued at 60m.
De Gea(26) has another min 7-9 years left at top. LLoris(30+) a lesser keeper will be valued more than 45m with only 4 years left at top.
De Gea's age, as he is close to twice peak years left means he is easily worth more than the 60m WC defender like Bonucci.
Also he plays for a team which holds WR in transfer fees spent, so for United, players are more important than the money.
But we're talking about Ronaldo, hence why I said in this "context".
Exactly. I feel the issue might be related to how often a truly outstanding keeper appears on the market and at the right age. De Gea's situation is sort of rare. Look at the record fee for a keeper, 42 million for Buffon, and that was 16 years ago when he was only 3 years younger than DDG.
If DDG goes, then it is for the 60/70m, he's the real deal. Neuer went for a lot less at a similar age, but in hindsight was worth double what Bayern paid.
There is no such thing as a fair price for a gk, transfers don't happen in a vacuum.
Tell that to barcelona winning trebles with Victor Valdes and the Bravo/Ter Stegen combo. There are so many examples of great teams winning it all with merely competent keepers. Juventus won the CL and made 3 straight finals with Peruzzi. With Buffon in his prime(greatest GK ever), they only managed 1 final, and lost. Now they are playinh their second final in 3 years, and while Buffon is still world class, he's not the same as he was between 2000-2006
This is true in theory. In practice, the top earners at those clubs are on far higher wages than anyone in the PL. Kroos and Ramos makes as much as Zlatan, the highest paid player in PL history. They don't even crack the top 5 in Spain...
Well we won with vandersar making saves and with schmeichael making them as well.
Sunderland place a 30M Pound price tag on Jordan Pickford where as JJ12 can't wait to cash his 60M in on the best goalie in the world. 
Sunderland place a 30M Pound price tag on Jordan Pickford where as JJ12 can't wait to cash his 60M in on the best goalie in the world.
Exactly this - football has gone loopy so let's play the game. Reckon we can squeeze another 15m out of them in add-ons easily. Then a cheeky buy back clause for half just to rub it in
Getting tired of the Dea Gea to Madrid rumours now. I felt as though we couldn't afford to lose him a few seasons ago but now, if he left tomorrow I'm confidant we could rebuild comfortably without him. I'm not saying we'd be able to replace him tomorrow but I'm confidant we'd have another class goalkeeper within a couple of seasons, hopefully someone young who has grown into the role.
Varane + Morata for DDG and I'd accept
I'd be very disappointed to get no players in return, even if we got like £80m. As a fan I could give a shit on how much we get. I want players bitch
I'd be very disappointed to get no players in return, even if we got like £80m. As a fan I could give a shit on how much we get. I want players bitch
As other said Varan plus Isco/Morata and lets buy this Italian kid Donnaruma for the future.
Someone YOUNG? DDG is a YOUNG player!! what the feck is this obsession with playing a U21 for 10 years hoping they'll become superstars one day? IT'S A GOALKEEPER! He don't need to be 18 years old and he most certainly SHOULDN'T be 18 years old!! I want CLASS not AGE. And we're NOT selling DDG to Real Madrid. We are a fecking top club and we want top results. We are not going to give away our best players and hope to find something else. It's a combination of absolute world class players and young players that will take us to the top. By saying that I mean 5% of the squad should be youth players, 10% squad players, and the rest should be absolute world class players!! There should be absolutely nothing less than absolute total class and high end talent everywhere. Do you understand we're a top club earning the most cash in the world? AMBITIONS PLEASE!!!!!!!!
LOUD NOISES!!
Yous should fleece them for more than 70 mil.
Only 26 and has at least another 10 years at top lvl.
Only 26 and has at least another 10 years at top lvl.
This time we really mean it guys... They're definitely going to bid this time!
They put up around £44mil. Fair to value Navas at £15mil back then? Probably a little on the low side if anything.
So now he has 2+1 years left and the market has got even crazier since 2015.
Even £60mil is selling him on the cheap.
We are nowhere near as reliant on him as we were during the LVG era. If he goes he goes.
I'm sick to death of those Madrid cnuts openly flirting with him every summer.
We shouldn't accept anything under £70 million for him.
I'm sick to death of those Madrid cnuts openly flirting with him every summer.
We shouldn't accept anything under £70 million for him.
I don't want us to sell him at all, ever. So if we do, we'd better be robbing them absolutely blind. £80m. I don't care that he's a keeper: he's the best or second best in the world, with years on his contract and a fat paycheque here. He's as much of a galactico signing for them as any outfield player, so we should get a galactico fee. I'd want to spend less than half of it on his replacement.
Jesus, you took this completely the wrong way.
If we do sell De Gea to Madrid, lets say for arguments sake, he does a Ronaldo and buys into their flirting and decides he desperately wants to leave, at that point, there is absolutely no point in keeping him anymore. So ambitions or not, we don't want or need players that don't want to play for us, full stop. No matter how good they may be, they will not be at their best if they want to play somewhere else.
Secondly, when I wrote that I was thinking about the barren spell of goalkeepers we had after the 'Great Dane'. Barthez, Howard, Bosnich, Carrol, Foster non of which were good enough but as Fergie said, we could of had, but didn't take a chance on Petr Cech at the time because he believed he was too young. So, what would you prefer? We sign the next De Gea? Or we fumble around trying to find someone to fill the gap and hope a top class keeper comes available in the mean time?
So before you start ranting about ambitions, why don't you actually do some reflecting on how De Gea became one of the best keepers in the world. We took him in young and developed him and if you ask me, if we're going to lose him we need to look for the next upcoming keeper, not start scratching around for keepers.
If Bale is involved then the question will be is it going to be easier to replace DDG than it is to buy a top forward, which it is probably is this summer tbh.
Would you like to sell Lloris (a keeper not as good as De Gea and 4 years older) if we offered you 40m pounds? What about 50m?
When is the last time a genuine world class keeper already at a cash rich club been sold?
There is nothing to base these 'Ridiculous' transfer fees at. Why would we sell anybody in our first 11 for money we dont need?
We then have to go out and replace him, let's say he cost 30m out of a 40m fee. That leaves us DDG less with an extra 10m in the bank.
Yeahhhhhh..
There is nothing to base these 'Ridiculous' transfer fees at. Why would we sell anybody in our first 11 for money we dont need?
We then have to go out and replace him, let's say he cost 30m out of a 40m fee. That leaves us DDG less with an extra 10m in the bank.
Yeahhhhhh..