Mikhi, Isco, Martial
Rashford
Pretty much every player would interchange.
Looks pretty sweet.
Rashford
Pretty much every player would interchange.
Looks pretty sweet.
David De Gea
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Well, Its point less and going odd topic in the thread,
A sword can not do the work of a needle and a needle can not do the work of a sword, both are pretty useless and nothing worth if wrongly used. I hope the point is pretty clear now.
What's worth more is subjective. Isco wouldn't be worth more to our team than Herrera, even though he's the better player.
I hope that Mourinho and the board have such esteem in Herrera and not so much in Isco or Morata ... Danilo is definitely a better right back than Isco, in case that you need someone for that position
Sure you'd love United to take Danilo, and James off your hands, whilst handing you DDG in exchange, we're daft at times, but not that daft....hopefully!
The Morata link is interesting now Ibra is out, of all the players linked as an exchange he makes the most sense now, and personally I'd accept it as a fair deal, although there would be no guarantees he'd thrive with us, it'd be risk worth taking though if DDG's mind is made up.
Isco can be compared to MKH or KDB, not with herrera.
Better in what terms? De gea is also a better player than isco, You need both sets of points for comparison.
Nah , We are not demanding any thing for anything sake, We only do buisness when we get what we need , or a value which we feel represents the quality we have
Not because I'm biased, but I really do think DDG is the best GK in the world. Neuer is world class but he had nowhere near the work DDG had in past years.
I hope that Mourinho and the board have such esteem in Herrera and not so much in Isco or Morata ... Danilo is definitely a better right back than Isco, in case that you need someone for that position
How far is De Gea up your personal list of priorities? Reckon Perez will go all out for him?
That's what I mean, I reckon he means way more to United than he would to Madrid so our valuations are likely to be very different.If only they are willing to match his wages, and our asking price.
Especially considering Perez will shun him off as soon as some new interesting and talented GK that sells ton of shirts emerges.
Who do you think Isco is really? He's only just becoming a worth while player in Zidane's team. People need to get off Isco's nuts, he's no Iniesta, wouldn't even want him over Mata.
Don't let it be Joe Hart, as some of the papers are saying. he's nowhere near good enough. I'd go for Jack Butland
I'd go for Handanović from Inter.
Personally I find it very difficult to value goalkeepers and defensive midfielders who do not play the ball well, and that will not change, but assuming the club wants to change the goalkeeper, then I want the best.
From what I've heard Madrid wants to pay 70/75 and if it is not possible, then to look for another option. I don´t like the option of Courtois since would be equally expensive.
My first option is De Gea because he is Spanish and because I think that two years ago Madrid behaved badly with him.
I do not like the idea of including players. If Mourinho wants Morata, Casemiro or James then I prefer an independent offer.
My limit would be 75 million euros, reaching 80/85 with additions in the contract for winning the league, champions, etc.
Beyond that I would look for a young goalkeeper, keeping Navas as second goalkeeper.
Yes, I think that De Gea is the priority for Florentino
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Yes we mustn't sell him on the cheap just cos RM have no real need
If he wants to go then tbh i'd let him but we better make sure to get one of their top players in exchange. As regards a replacement, i'd pick Oblak from Atletico. However, I hope this point is mute and DDG doesn't go anywhere.
So you wouldn't want to see them pay anything above £60m? That's fair. I could see us selling for that if the player really pushes for the move.
I dont know why but I am not really bothered this summer if he goes. Maybe it is because he is under a longer contract so we will get a good fee. Or maybe it is because we are less reliant on him these days, or maybe because I have faith that Mourinho will make sure we are well prepared no matter what. Probably a combination of all those. I thank De Gea for his service, has been an excellent GK for us and wish him well whatever decision he makes
Kovacic has more raw talent then the mighty Pogba. Varane is still highly valued. Isco makes more skillful moves in one game then you get to see on a whole weekend of watching EPL.
Then there's Real Madrid premium that up's their value by 10 mil €.
In this market they are all 50 mil € + players.
I was talking generally in today's market.
We would be a laughing stock if we took Citys cast off for our main goalkeeper. Butland may be a good shout, but also a gamble so dont think it will happen
gamble? I think he might be the next England keeper; if southgate ever works out that Hart is a liabilty
1 De gea is great with is feet too, he is a ball playing keeper and it was so during the lvg era as well.
2 He's spanish makes him even more expensive that your valuation quote here, If you want the best , you need to be able to afford the best , as simple as that.
3 He has already gone on to develop even more than he was 2 years before techinically in all his skills so your valuation is simply outdated currently in this market. atleast 15 - 20 m euros short on both sides of the limit.
4 A transfer to take place wants all 3 or 4 parties to be satisfied , so i see no reason for united to be satisfied if players are not included, or the's under valued simply because he has improved even further, spani no 1 with a huge marketing potential.
5 Seprate offer on morata would depend on morata's valuation also because we'd be intrested in a swap deal including players and cash but i am not sure morata will be our first choice player if we want to buy a striker simply because we have players of his kind in our squad and he would just be another option than an upgrade.
6 Real have to match de gea's current or upgraded wages on offer , and de gea would not want navas to be still at madrid , pretty sure he wants navas gone if the deal has to happen.
15 - 20 m euros increase in the offer or the players we need and we would be talking.
You kidding?
This is exactly what's wrong with this club if that happens. Madrid aint short of money, they are short on intent and penny pinching forcing the player to rebel , and that's the way to deflate the price. We dont need 60 m , not at all . he is atleast 15 - 20 m euros short on the current valuation for a 26 year old. 2 years before the it would have made sense , but de gea have developed more technically since 2 years and is even a better keeper. 70 m pounds is the minimumvaluation up front. absolute minimum and we should bite in if that is not met, We can really afford squeeze out a year out of him in the current contract and keep him for another year till we get our man.
I know all our fans want to see us play hardball and I can see why, I'm just saying I could see him going for that.You kidding?
70 m pounds is the minimumvaluation up front. absolute minimum and we should bite in if that is not met, We can really afford squeeze out a year out of him in the current contract and keep him for another year till we get our man.
It's not hard ball at all it's completely fair valuation, we are not doing charity here , buisness has to done as pure buisness in a professional way. We are fair with our in comming buisness it only seems right we are also that way in outgoing buisness.
It's not hard ball at all it's completely fair valuation, we are not doing charity here , buisness has to done as pure buisness in a professional way. We are fair with our in comming buisness it only seems right we are also that way in outgoing buisness.
It's the same thing. Most teams who play hardball would say exactly the same. When Spurs sold Bale they were only securing what they thought he was worth.
That said I can see us settling on a valuation that falls a little below what some posters here think.
I don´t see why is at least 15-20m euros short when he would be the most expensive keeper ever. That is your valuation of the market, totally subjective.You kidding?
70 m pounds is the minimumvaluation up front. absolute minimum and we should bite in if that is not met, We can really afford squeeze out a year out of him in the current contract and keep him for another year till we get our man.
In the other post you say in the 4th point that " a transfer to take place wants all 3 or 4 parties to be satisfied". It should be 2 parties. In the other case you create an interrelation between the professional careers of 2 different players.
De Gea´s future shouldn´t be conected with Kroos future (unless you convince him to leave). 2 players+money=a player is for video games.
About the 6th point, I read that Madrid have a deal with De Gea.Probably will be a generous offer but we don´t have to match anything and he will have to accept the competence if it´s the case. If he doesn´t like the offer he can stay in England.
Anyway, with Florentino you never know...so maybe you are right.
You need to realize he's your best or second best player and is paid acordingly, but for Madrid he's just a keeper upgrade.
They wont match his wages and make him 3rd highest paid player because there's a locker room full of stars and champions who make far less then De Gea does at the moment.
It would create chaos in the locker room. No player is worth it.
He'll have to taka a big pay cut to come to Madrid.
Come to 2017, Any top keeper we will be paying 50+m... so why not ask 80m for the best who is 26 and will be at the top for next 10 years. Just because we have De Gea, some are underestimating the importance of goalkeeper.
Good luck with that. I hope your club too has the same attitude.
Its not my valuation it's the right valuation, a world star is atleast double of what buffon went for a decade and a half earlier for 53 m euros so 100 m euros is right valuation rather than a subjective one, Spain no 1 , huge marketing potential , on top of his game , does not get better than that.
Should be 2 parties? All 3 , the sellar , the player and the buyer needs to be satisfied with the deal , and if the players are included then theres 4 parties involved in that case. It's not easy ,the transfer negotiaons.
Madrid have not done the deal for de Gea , he's not free to talk to any clubs right now as he's under contract and playing, also Marca is a typical Madrid propoganda mouthpiece as always so there is nothing in it.
De Gea would be foolish enough to half his wages and also have navas competition stay at madrid while he moves, de Gea and navas both need to be walking into the world cups on the back of game time to be the respective no1 for the respective countries ,so it's video gamish to think Madrid can retain both with a world star like de Gea taking such a huge pay cut specially when he is in for an another pay rise this year which will make him world's best paid keeper and he deserves every bit of it because of his performances for club and country. Penny pinching attitude by Madrid won't help their causes one bit , he is no1 of the world's biggest club and certainly a bigger star than many in madrid squad. Real have to put forward an offer which is acceptable to all parties or simply go for a player they can afford on the market.
The club doesn't need the money, if Real want him they will have to pay up.
Can't see why De Gea would take a pay cut. Assuming he is on £200k a week would Real really offer that sum of wages for a goalie?
The link in the papers on a daily basis now is worrying. Hart being his replacement is even more worrying and is a laughable transfer gossip story.
Can't see why De Gea would take a pay cut. Assuming he is on £200k a week would Real really offer that sum of wages for a goalie?
The link in the papers on a daily basis now is worrying. Hart being his replacement is even more worrying and is a laughable transfer gossip story.
The offer to De Gea will be good but probably he will have to lose money(and probably Hazard too)
All what you said It would be fine if we were trying to convince the player but I think that we already passed that point.
Marca don't write covers simply for the sake of it. There is something behind and we all know that nobody respects the contract to talk or not with other clubs,especially since Mou and De Gea share the same agent.
We will see,I am optimistic about getting the player without paying too much but actually we usually sell cheap and buy expensive
I wasn't too bothered about signing sausage boy but now I hope we do just so I can laugh at prtk911, who will need to be put on suicide watch when he sees his idol in white.