David De Gea

[2 man midfield]

I accept what you said on Bastian. We couldn't move him and it was the only reason he was here. The example I gave is to say that we could even afford to leave big money players on bench.

Your second part is something which I completely disagree. Just because a player will go for only one club doesn't mean that a club which is of the financial stature as United will accept the buyers valuation. This is why I gave the above example that we don't worry about leaving the player on the bench if that is the only option. For this the apt example would be Fellaini. We didn't budge on Fellaini's Everton valuation and they told us to do one. Its us who ended up paying more to match their valuation at the end of the window. Having a capable keeper as Romero would mean that we can play hard ball to the end of the window and in a position to play the game better. In all seriousness Real Madrid has to cough up what we value(40m or 100m whatever) to get the player. Considering how it blow on their faces last time, this time Real Madrid would be clever enough to know their position. We wouldn't mind keeping De Gea for next season.

That was more down to dithering Dave than anything else. We could have wrapped Fellaini up on the 1st June if we wanted to, for 5 million less.

I accept your general point, and like I said before we don't have to take any offer at all, I just see a middle ground being met because we don't hold absolutely all of the cards. The player adamantly wanting to leave is never a good position to be in for starters. Then when it's only one club it becomes harder. If we play hard ball and make him stay against his will then his performance level either drops or he just doesn't play at all. Then after all that the whole thing starts again the following summer and the bidding starts at 20m less. I just see us having to reach some sort of compromise as opposed to fleecing Madrid absolutely dry for a player they made it clear in 2015 they weren't all that bothered about.

 

[Kaos]

I'd give Romero a chance tbh. Rather him than Joe feckin Hart.

 

[Revan]

Yeah but the point is that it was very clear that Madrid undervalued him. They dragged their heels all summer and when it came down to it they pulled out of the deal. This isn't the kind of guy they're going to splurge their entire summer budget on.

And United has no reason to sell him. He can cry if he wants, but we still can decide to not sell him. Fecking Spurs played hard ball with Modric and Bale, Liverpool played hard ball with Suarez, why people think that we are going to make it easy for Real to get him.

Last time, we accepted a fee of 30m pounds. But there are a few different things since then:

1) De Gea has three years on his contract, while back then had 10 months.
2) De Gea is Spain's No.1 keeper, back then he wasn't.
3) De Gea is unanimously rated as a top 3 keeper in the world, back then it wasn't the case outside of United fanbase.
4) The market for footballers has been super inflated since then.

His stock has raised and he has 3 years on his contract. There is absolutely no reason why we are going to sell him cheap. I still think that we shouldn't even enter the table, but if De Gea begs, then we should ask Real for a world record if they want him. By world record I mean, more than what we payed for Pogba.

If they won't pay it, tough luck. Transfers fail when the club isn't going to pay the asking price. If we offered Juve 50m pounds, they wouldn't sell Pogba despite of Pogba's wishes. It is as simple as that.

 

[Todd]

3 years left on contract plus no buy-out fee stated = we can pretty much hold Madrid hostage

I really hope Mou handles this one like a hardass. Tell them it'll either be a straight swap for Bale, or Kroos plus 50 million, or they can go pound salt.

 

[gaucho_10]

3 years left on contract plus no buy-out fee stated = we can pretty much hold Madrid hostage

I really hope Mou handles this one like a hardass. Tell them it'll either be a straight swap for Bale, or Kroos plus 50 million, or they can go pound salt.

You mean De Gea + 50 million?

 

[gorky_utd]

He only wants madrid but madrid also only wants him.I suspect perez wants him badly because of faxgate.I see abolutely no reason to sell him cheaply.Should demand more than 100mil or a swap with bale.You want best spanish gk , fine we also want best british player.

 

[mu4c_20le]

I'm fine with Hart. Decent stop gap until we find the next young De Gea/Oblak/Neuer.

 

[Revan]

You mean De Gea + 50 million?

No, he meant Kroos + 50m for De Gea.

Thing is, United has no need to care about Real's finances and their evaluation of players. We are in a stronger position than Madrid financial wise, and De Gea has three years on his contract. United could look for a ridiculous price and then add 20m to it. If you don't pay that, who cares, we keep the best/second best keeper in the world.

If Real wants De Gea you have to overpay about it. Same as we had to overpay for Pogba. Otherwise, you can get him after three years (assuming that De Gea doesn't renew his contract, he did the last time you wanted him).

 

[carvajal]

I keep reading that United hold the cards...the offer could be around 75m€. How much do you think that it could be a fair offer? (without players, simply cash).

 

[Revan]

I keep reading that United hold the cards...the offer could be around 75m€. How much do you think that it could be a fair offer? (without players, simply cash).

World record, plus then some. 100m pounds or so.

The alternative is to wait for the next 2-3 years and hope that he doesn't renew his contract.

 

[Cassidy]

I'm fine with Hart. Decent stop gap until we find the next young De Gea/Oblak/Neuer.

We're not signing Joe Hart

 

[Skills]

I keep reading that United hold the cards...the offer could be around 75m€. How much do you think that it could be a fair offer? (without players, simply cash).

I honestly don't think the club would accept a 'fair offer'. We have too much money at the moment, and we need to keep/buy talent more than balance books (which are amongst the healthiest in the world).

 

[Jacko21]

I'm fine with Hart. Decent stop gap until we find the next young De Gea/Oblak/Neuer.

Aside from the fact that he's error prone and a bang average goalkeeper.

 

[Revan]

I honestly don't think the club would accept a 'fair offer'. We have too much money at the moment, and we need to keep/buy talent more than balance books (which are amongst the healthiest in the world).

Exactly this, and hoping that Ed is thinking the same. Accepting 'fair offers' happens when the club wants to sell the player, or needs the money to reinvest him. This isn't the case here.

Juve didn't accept a fair offer for Pogba (which would have been 50-60m pounds). The got a world record instead which was very unfair on us, but they are rich. And we are twice as rich as them, so for De Gea we should look for an even unfair offer.

We are richer than Madrid and are in a healthier financial position. Why should we look for a fair offer? No club who doesn't need to sell accepts fair offers.

 

[welshmanc75]

I'd still take the £70m off RM or cash + Varane and then get Schmeichel. Him behind Valencia, Bailly, Varane and Shaw is very solid and then use our warchest to get the DM we need and Griezmann and Morata and a RB.

 

[tomaldinho1]

Perfect opportunity for Woodward to show his negotiation skills. We are in the position of strength so should be able to demand some ludicrous fee and maybe a player swap as well. If they don't want him that badly, tell them to f off and let him run out his contract.

 

[2 man midfield]

And United has no reason to sell him. He can cry if he wants, but we still can decide to not sell him. Fecking Spurs played hard ball with Modric and Bale, Liverpool played hard ball with Suarez, why people think that we are going to make it easy for Real to get him.

Last time, we accepted a fee of 30m pounds. But there are a few different things since then:

1) De Gea has three years on his contract, while back then had 10 months.
2) De Gea is Spain's No.1 keeper, back then he wasn't.
3) De Gea is unanimously rated as a top 3 keeper in the world, back then it wasn't the case outside of United fanbase.
4) The market for footballers has been super inflated since then.

His stock has raised and he has 3 years on his contract. There is absolutely no reason why we are going to sell him cheap. I still think that we shouldn't even enter the table, but if De Gea begs, then we should ask Real for a world record if they want him. By world record I mean, more than what we payed for Pogba.

If they won't pay it, tough luck. Transfers fail when the club isn't going to pay the asking price. If we offered Juve 50m pounds, they wouldn't sell Pogba despite of Pogba's wishes. It is as simple as that.

Again I don't disagree with any of what you've said, I just don't see the club seeing it quite that way.

 

[carvajal]

I honestly don't think the club would accept a 'fair offer'. We have too much money at the moment, and we need to keep/buy talent more than balance books (which are amongst the healthiest in the world).

World record, plus then some. 100m pounds or so.

The alternative is to wait for the next 2-3 years and hope that he doesn't renew his contract.

It seems too much. If a keeper would cost that, then Dybala / Mbappé / Hazard would be in 200 million, although logically each team value the players to their liking.
I think Madrid will not reach those numbers, now the question is United's stance.
Two years ago, after what happened in the summer De Gea could have refused to renew, perhaps his renewal was with the commitment to facilitate a possible transfer, with an attitude of negotiation.

 

[Nero]

£80m for other teams, £100m for Madrid with cnut tax.

 

[mu4c_20le]

We're not signing Joe Hart

Didn't think so, unless City were dumb enough to let him go off on loan on the last year of his contract.

Aside from the fact that he's error prone and a bang average goalkeeper.

Still better than Romero, who some people are surprisingly offering to give a chance to, despite being criticized for his latest EL outings and desiring to replace him in the semis with De Gea. I wouldn't mind him on a cheap or for free instead of gambling on current options like Butland or Forster.

 

[devil in me]

I keep reading that United hold the cards...the offer could be around 75m€. How much do you think that it could be a fair offer? (without players, simply cash).

65m Pounds I'd be quite happy with. Don't think we could complain at that.

 

[Cassidy]

It seems too much. If a keeper would cost that, then Dybala / Mbappé / Hazard would be in 200 million, although logically each team value the players to their liking.
I think Madrid will not reach those numbers, now the question is United's stance.
Two years ago, after what happened in the summer De Gea could have refused to renew, perhaps his renewal was with the commitment to facilitate a possible transfer, with an attitude of negotiation.

And last summer there was apparently a release clause. We're not going to roll over IMO, there obviously wasn't a release clause, and there obviously isn't any reason for United to sell him for cheap. You will need to pay a premium for the best keeper in the world.

 

[Cassidy]

Didn't think so, unless City were dumb enough to let him go off on loan on the last year of his contract.

Still better than Romero, who some people are surprisingly offering to give a chance to, despite being criticized for his latest EL outings and desiring to replace him in the semis with De Gea. I wouldn't mind him on a cheap or for free instead of gambling on current options like Butland or Forster.

Romero has been good since he has come to United. Not that I am saying he should be no1, hes a good keeper

 

[Miscemayl]

Does Barcelona need DDG.. If we had to sell, I rather sell to Barcelona or Athletico just to see Perez lose it seeing their target at their rivals.

 

[carvajal]

65m Pounds I'd be quite happy with. Don't think we could complain at that.

85m €, perhaps a bit too much but reasonable.

 

[devil in me]

85m €, perhaps a bit too much but reasonable.

I actually think that it will end up being about 45m pounds, straight deal with no player exchange. Its not enough in my opinion, but keepers go for a lot less than outfield players, he probably wants to go and we generally are useless at selling players.

 

[Hawks2008]

Simply cannot afford to let him leave unless we get someone like Kroos/Casemiro/Isco in return. Losing our stars players to Madrid all the time makes our whole "biggest club in the world" facade a joke.

 

[Infordin]

Ask 80m or Bale(If he is interested) as a player exchange. If Real Madrid is not valuing De Gea for 80m, it is their problem.

Madrid would be very happy to exchange De Gea for Bale.

 

[Revan]

Again I don't disagree with any of what you've said, I just don't see the club seeing it quite that way.

Why? The last time we sold a really top player that we were desperate to keep, we got a world record. Every other player we have sold since then has been a player that we wanted to sell.

It seems too much. If a keeper would cost that, then Dybala / Mbappé / Hazard would be in 200 million, although logically each team value the players to their liking.
I think Madrid will not reach those numbers, now the question is United's stance.
Two years ago, after what happened in the summer De Gea could have refused to renew, perhaps his renewal was with the commitment to facilitate a possible transfer, with an attitude of negotiation.

Mbappe has played well for three months, Dybala will cost over 100m pounds, and I think that Hazard is totally non transferable. Also, it is not 'a keeper'. It is one of the top 2 keepers in the world, who plays for the richest club in the world, and it is in a lengthy contract.

100m pounds is definitely too much, but the point is that we get weaker if we sell him. And our revenues are around 700m euros, while we pay 45% for wages, which means that we are in a very strong financial position, so we should not look for a 'fair' offer even if De Gea wants to leave.

The last point is quite fair. If we promised to De Gea that we will let him leave for not that much money then sure, we might need to accept 60m pounds or so, but I doubt that is the case. De Gea back then was risking spending the season in bench, Del Bosque clearly said that he's not gonna play for Spain if he doesn't for his club (so an another torunament that he would be missing), and when he got the new contract, not only he got the largest contract a keeper ever did, but he also got a large signing on fee equal to what he would have got if he accepted United's contract 6 months before.

Lets see how things go. Him not having a release clause while being on a lengthy contract, and United being filthy rich surely complicates this transfer.

 

[Infordin]

Simply cannot afford to let him leave unless we get someone like Kroos/Casemiro/Isco in return. Losing our stars players to Madrid all the time makes our whole "biggest club in the world" facade a joke.

As a Barca fan, I think that most neutrals see Real Madrid as the biggest club in the world, and I don't think that will change anytime soon.

We need at least 7 or 8 CL trophies to seriously challenge them for that title.

 

[Jacko21]

Didn't think so, unless City were dumb enough to let him go off on loan on the last year of his contract.

Still better than Romero, who some people are surprisingly offering to give a chance to, despite being criticized for his latest EL outings and desiring to replace him in the semis with De Gea. I wouldn't mind him on a cheap or for free instead of gambling on current options like Butland or Forster.

Romero is much improved under Mourinho and Louro.

Hart is a shockingly overrated goalkeeper, who often escapes criticism in view of the fact he is (somehow) still England's No.1 goalkeeper.

He makes mistake after mistake - has done for years. And he has done little to fix his own failings as a goalkeeper. He hasn't improved one iota.

 

[welshmanc75]

Madrid would be very happy to exchange De Gea for Bale.

I thought he was a Perez favourite?

 

[Infordin]

I thought he was a Perez favourite?

Bale is going down the same route as Kaka, one injury at the time.

Perez likes him, but I think that for the sake of the club, Madrid would be better off selling Bale now for big money.

Thankfully, Perez's ego and favorites have always somewhat held Madrid back.

 

[carvajal]

I thought he was a Perez favourite?

but now is an injured favourite

 

[We need an rvn]

Bale is going down the same route as Kaka, one injury at the time.

Perez likes him, but I think that for the sake of the club, Madrid would be better off selling Bale now for big money.

Do you think Real would get big money for him now? His injuries over the last 1 1/2 seasons are turning into a big problem and a lot of clubs would be conscious of spending £70m or so that Real would demand for him. He's a £35m risk at best if he breaks down again

 

[Smudge]

Ballbag is hinting that it is United that are slowly pushing him out to leave.

What bollocks

If that was the case all De Gea would have to do is publicly announce that he wants to stay atleast that way we know where everyone stands

 

[Paxi]

Think he'll go for 75 million euros. Not sure what the exchange rate is but I see that as more than reasonable. I'd be happy to sell De Gea at that price.

 

[Paxi]

Ballbag is hinting that it is United that are slowly pushing him out to leave.

What bollocks

If that was the case all De Gea would have to do is publicly announce that he wants to stay atleast that way we know where everyone stands

He's raving lunatic that hates everything United. He's complete ABU.

 

[United_We_Stand]

As a Barca fan, I think that most neutrals see Real Madrid as the biggest club in the world, and I don't think that will change anytime soon.

We need at least 7 or 8 CL trophies to seriously challenge them for that title.

I think you're confusing "the biggest club in the world" with "the most successful club in the world"! Two completely different things!

My criteria for "the biggest club in the world" take into consideration, not only trophies, but also financial position and MOST IMPORTANTLY the number of fans. As long as English is the dominant language in the world, and Anglo-American culture is the dominant culture in the world, there's no way a Spanish club can be looked at as "the biggest club in the world".

 

[Infordin]

I think you're confusing "the biggest club in the world" with "the most successful club in the world"! Two completely different things!

My criteria for "the biggest club in the world" take into consideration, not only trophies, but also financial position and MOST IMPORTANTLY the number of fans. As long as English is the dominant language in the world, and Anglo-American culture is the dominant culture in the world, there's no way a Spanish club can be looked at as "the biggest club in the world".

Does United have more fans overall than Madrid? Different surveys give different results, but I wouldn't bet on it.

Popularity is temporary and ever-changing (harsh but true), but trophies are forever.

The #1 criteria for "the biggest club" is honors and trophies. Everything else is secondary IMO.