Penalty was down the middle.I dont know what pissed me off about Dave more yesterday, Xhaka's goal or him failing to save another penalty. The penalty even went to the side Dave 99.9% of the time dives to as well
We need to keep him but he's not doing a great job of reminding the board why with this form this season
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He is shit at saving penalties. Commits too early.
He has got himself a lot of credit for getting us the points time and time again. Can't believe that when he's having a dip in his form, so many fans are on his case.
He's arguably the best shot stopper in the world, but he's not perfect. I don't care too much about Xhaka's shot. It looks like a huge mistake, but these things happen. What concerns me more is his distribution. If people are on about Smalling's lack of distribution and ball playing abilities, then surely the same people should be saying the exact same things about DDG? He's terrible at playing out from the back. From time to time, he can string some nice passes together, but more often than not, he hoofs the ball or is too sloppy with his passes.
Get yourself to spec savers
Are we actually taking the piss here? Are people being serious with bashing De Gea? He’s been our best player for years and has been great this season too - I can’t actually believe we’re stooping this low as to wanting him to be dropped. We’re not fickle, shitty fans who slate their own players. It wasn’t even that bad. Sort it out.
I think if Romero shows better form he deserves to play if De Gea is out of form. No player should be undroppable based on past merits.
Romero has been in goal in the cup so he gets a great chance to take a place in the team in my view. A clean sheet and a good performance and I would consider to keep him for the next game too.
Penalties have never been his strength, never feel confident he will save them.
He is top class and probably irreplaceable though, as well as our best player post-Ferguson. He is a club legend and deserves to be respected as one.
He is top class and probably irreplaceable though, as well as our best player post-Ferguson. He is a club legend and deserves to be respected as one.
De Gea is not in bad form though, certainly not enough to have to drop him. He saves matches for us, literally. You just don’t drop arguably the best keeper in the world after a shaky game.
My point still stands true. His PK saving rate for United is atrocious. Unnecessary a bad thing since not many GKs good at it.
Though he could make it less predictable for penalty takers, everyone and their dog know he just prematurely pick a side and commit to it.
Sorry mate. Think you need to. But you'll struggle to find the store with that eyesight.
GOAL! Arsenal 2-0 Man Utd (Aubameyang, 69 pen)
Aubameyang coolly rolls it down the middle. De Gea dives to his left and the goalkeeper is livid with himself. Fred is equally fuming, albeit with Jon Moss, but the midfielder was stupid, giving the referee a decision by pushing Lacazette as he surged into the box. Unai Emery punches the air in delight.
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...senal-v-manchester-united-premier-league-live
I'm in the minority. I don't see the first goal as an error from De Gea. When it was shot, he took a step to his left (rightly,) and then the ball just had some incredible swerve on it. It happens. It's almost like when the ball gets deflected and the keeper is going the wrong way.
Google Beckhams free kick vs Everton. It looks like it's going 1 direction-- the keeper moves towards it- and it swerves to the far post. It wasn't a keeper error- just a heck of a free kick. THe difference between Becks shot and Xhaka's- is that Xhaka's was accidental.
There is nothing De Gea could have done. The only keepers who save that, are the ones who have such slow reaction times, that they wouldn't have moved to the left after the shot was fired. It's ridiculous to say that De Gea should have known once the ball was kicked- that it would curve back a few yards in the other direction. He doesn't have superhuman vision where he can read the spin of the ball 25 yards out and know it will swerve back in the opposite direction.
Absolute fluke of a goal. Every keeper takes a step to his left there after it's shot, and every keeper would have conceded that goal. I can't believe the stick he's taking for giving up a complete fluke shot of a goal. He isn't the reason United lost that game. Poor finishing by United was the reason.
Google Beckhams free kick vs Everton. It looks like it's going 1 direction-- the keeper moves towards it- and it swerves to the far post. It wasn't a keeper error- just a heck of a free kick. THe difference between Becks shot and Xhaka's- is that Xhaka's was accidental.
There is nothing De Gea could have done. The only keepers who save that, are the ones who have such slow reaction times, that they wouldn't have moved to the left after the shot was fired. It's ridiculous to say that De Gea should have known once the ball was kicked- that it would curve back a few yards in the other direction. He doesn't have superhuman vision where he can read the spin of the ball 25 yards out and know it will swerve back in the opposite direction.
Absolute fluke of a goal. Every keeper takes a step to his left there after it's shot, and every keeper would have conceded that goal. I can't believe the stick he's taking for giving up a complete fluke shot of a goal. He isn't the reason United lost that game. Poor finishing by United was the reason.
Sorry mate. Think you need to. But you'll struggle to find the store with that eyesight.
GOAL! Arsenal 2-0 Man Utd (Aubameyang, 69 pen)
Aubameyang coolly rolls it down the middle. De Gea dives to his left and the goalkeeper is livid with himself. Fred is equally fuming, albeit with Jon Moss, but the midfielder was stupid, giving the referee a decision by pushing Lacazette as he surged into the box. Unai Emery punches the air in delight.
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...senal-v-manchester-united-premier-league-live
Yeah copying and pasting that really proves your point
Schmeichel was a proactive keeper rather than a reactive keeper like De Gea. He did make mistakes, because at times in his early years at the club he was over confident rushing out to extinguish the danger when there was no need to, especially against the cannon fodder. Being a European Champion with Denmark at Euro 92 possibly made him alittle cocky against the smaller teams, but that was soon ironed out off him by SAF.
Schmeichel was brilliant at starting counters with his weapon of a long throw after he'd claimed a cross by flattening his CBs on many occasions in the process and sending Kanchelskis or Giggs to sprint over the half way line which resulted in a fair few goals for us. He was also the best keeper i've seen at one on one's at the club.
Schmeichel had decent distribution and was brilliant at commanding his box. Van Der Saar was the best at distributing the ball and was very good at commanding his area. Both were good shotstoppers. De Gea is a good shot stopper but fails in the other two categories.
Schmeichel was the best shot stopper and commanded his area like a Lion. Van Der Saar had the best distribution though..
Schmeichel was brilliant at starting counters with his weapon of a long throw after he'd claimed a cross by flattening his CBs on many occasions in the process and sending Kanchelskis or Giggs to sprint over the half way line which resulted in a fair few goals for us. He was also the best keeper i've seen at one on one's at the club.
Schmeichel had decent distribution and was brilliant at commanding his box. Van Der Saar was the best at distributing the ball and was very good at commanding his area. Both were good shotstoppers. De Gea is a good shot stopper but fails in the other two categories.
Schmeichel was the best shot stopper and commanded his area like a Lion. Van Der Saar had the best distribution though..
Funny how Neuer also did not command his area and conceded 3 goals against Liverpool at home while De Gea did well against PSG but was scolded against Arsenal due to a nice curved goal.
Neuer has won everything there is to win in the game, and if he retired today he would go down as one of the all time greats, he excelled for club and country in his pomp.
With Zidane dropping Courtois, it worries me that Real will come back in for Dave as their long term keeper now.
If Madrid want a new keeper De Gea would probably be way down the list. He's not highly regarded over there.
Can't see anything concerning in Zidane starting the keeper that won the CL 3 times with him.
Also, nice to see some fans either taking their chance, or being so easily swayed by a single mistake. DDG has been our best player for an age.
Also, nice to see some fans either taking their chance, or being so easily swayed by a single mistake. DDG has been our best player for an age.
And how does that matter?
I feel romero is better than him at penalties.
It matters to the post I was responding to...
It didn't, not even close. The post you were responding to said that it was unfair that DDG is heavily criticised after one match, whereas Neuer got away with being rubbish against Liverpool. Whether or not Neuer has been great in the past is rather irrelevant.
What on earth did Neuer have to do with De Gea? You should've asked the question to the poster I quoted..
Post injury Neuer has been a liability for about a year now. He's nowhere near world class at the moment and deserves plenty of criticism. I've slowly accepted over the past year that most likely he won't ever be what he was before that year long injury break.
He's a bit far from the world class performances he had between 2013-2018 this season except Tottenham away. I also think that his recent drop in from is about the contract issues. Remember his performance 4 years ago in the 3-0 Everton away defeat and in the other games in that period (late in 2014-15 season)? His concentration was suspect. I see the exact same situation; he had delayed to sign the new contract back then too. Mentally affected right now imo. I hope he doesn't leave that late to sign a new contract this time though.
If that is the case, Van Gaal did the right thing showing him who's boss at the start of 2015-2016 season. No matter how good you are, you can't delay the contract extension because you want some extra penny WHILE dropping your performance, costing your team valuable points. That's holding the club to ransom. Fergie gave David Beckham the boot for much less than that.
If we stand blindly by him just because of what he did, wouldn't that be the exact foundation for player power in the dressing room that we despise Real/Chelsea for?
I agree with the first part. Van Gaal was right indeed in dropping David at the start of 15-16. He said David was not focused enough and distracted by the potential move so he had to drop him.
However, i don't think it's that black and white about him holding the club to ransom. He wanted to leave in 2015 but he wasn't brave enough to come out and say "i want to go". It's not De Gea being malevolent or disrespectful to the club at all. He's a shy guy and his drop in performances (both in 2015 and now) has to do with his mental fragilities more than anything imo. But i know people get frustrated with him at the contract extension times and rightly so because he never says anything clear about staying or leaving.
What injury did Neuer sustain?
I still can't believe that even after the signing of Courtois, DDG to Real rumors failed to subside.
Its really tiring, every fecking summer
Its really tiring, every fecking summer
Imagine being a Real fan in previous years, every summer Ronaldo is linked with a "coming home to Manchester" news.
It's just the nature of transfer news on media.Don’t worry “the sun” is already reporting that courtois has snubbed a move to united.
It must be about that time of year for the sneijder rumours to start.
For penalties, the thing which makes De Gea a great shot stopper makes him poor at penalties. Because he anticipates and starts moving with quick reflexes to where the ball is going he stops shots well in open play. In penalties, where the player has the time and space to wait for the keeper to move, he makes it easy to guess where he will dive because he is already reacting before the shot is taken. Maybe for penalties, he can train himself to fake the striker out by shifting his weight one side and then dive to the other side after that.
I am wondering whether it would be better to sell De Gea this summer. I know people will disagree, but it makes sense when you think about it.
- If we sign him to a new contract on the ridiculous figures being talked about (£400k per week) we would never be able to fix the error we made with Sanchez. Our wage structure is damaged at the moment, but this could destroy it. Everyone knows outfield players are seen as more valuable than goalkeepers so their wage demands will increase.
- There is no guarantee that he will sign a contract so we could lose him for free the following summer.
- We could use the money to invest in the outfield team.
- Romero is good enough to rely on for a season. The extra investment in the outfield team should strengthen it enough to negate the quality difference in goalkeepers (less chances at goal conceeded etc.)
I think it could actually be beneficial to the team to actually sell him if there are any takers. It will free up transfer resources for our weakest positions because it isn't a priority to sign a goalkeeper even if we sell De Gea. Romero is good enough quality to be first team: great shot stopper; better distribution than De Gea; Good at corners and set pieces.
- If we sign him to a new contract on the ridiculous figures being talked about (£400k per week) we would never be able to fix the error we made with Sanchez. Our wage structure is damaged at the moment, but this could destroy it. Everyone knows outfield players are seen as more valuable than goalkeepers so their wage demands will increase.
- There is no guarantee that he will sign a contract so we could lose him for free the following summer.
- We could use the money to invest in the outfield team.
- Romero is good enough to rely on for a season. The extra investment in the outfield team should strengthen it enough to negate the quality difference in goalkeepers (less chances at goal conceeded etc.)
I think it could actually be beneficial to the team to actually sell him if there are any takers. It will free up transfer resources for our weakest positions because it isn't a priority to sign a goalkeeper even if we sell De Gea. Romero is good enough quality to be first team: great shot stopper; better distribution than De Gea; Good at corners and set pieces.
Selling De Gea poses a few problems:
1. Man Utd will most certainly demand a hefty fee, which I can't see any big clubs paying, esp considering that his performances have dipped of late. His performances these days range between breathtaking, match-winning saves and schoolboy howlers.
2. De Gea is still very popular among Utd fans so I can't see that being a very popular decision.
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We should sign ddg on a new contract asap. Remember Courtois only cost 30+ mil last season because he was on his last year at Chelsea?
Better sign him now and concentrate on selling others who aren't doing so well.
Better sign him now and concentrate on selling others who aren't doing so well.
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Man Utd 2:1 Watford
Good game today, no spectacular saves but worth aknowledging a good, all round keeping performance.
He looks shaky and I hope he gets his shit together fast, we are going to need his supermen mode by the looks of it.
He needs to command the box more. There was one free kick (corner?) where he dhould have come and caught it but seemed to be worried about Deeneys precense. I fear his head has gone and he may be looking to move on as he has had a number of uncharacteristic mistakes over last month or so.
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