Danny Welbeck | Arsenal player

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Manucho the boss said:
No idea how we managed to strengthen Arsenal during the last few hours of the transfer window, they were on the ropes with their lack of strikers. Still disgusted about it and a few goals from Falcao here or there won't change that.
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Loathe to get sucked in right away but I found this part to be quite peculiar. So one would be disgusted if hypothetically United sold Smalling to Arsenal and got someone like say Benatia or Thiago Silva ?

Mogget said:
Well exactly. If there aren't any top strikers available, or they don't want to join us, then the next best thing is to buy a young striker and hope he can develop into a top striker.
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But see the reference wasn't just made to the past summer window but as an extension to January or next summer. With Welbeck sealed, the chances of Wenger splurging on a genuinely world class striker in the immediate future have fallen. Unless, of course if things go tits up and his hand is forced. The former case overall works to United's advantage in that the probability of a 35+ goals per season striker have dropped in favor of one who will likely hover around the 15+ mark.
 
Invictus said:
Loathe to get sucked in right away but I found this part to be quite peculiar. So one would be disgusted if hypothetically United sold Smalling to Arsenal and got someone like say Benatia or Thiago Silva ?



But see the reference wasn't just made to the past summer window but as an extension to January or next summer. With Welbeck sealed, the chances of Wenger splurging on a genuinely world class striker in the immediate future have fallen. Unless, of course if things go tits up and his hand is forced. The former case overall works to United's advantage in that the probability of a 35+ goals per season striker have dropped in favor of one who will likely hover around the 15+ mark.
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My point is we could have held onto him for another year, that's why players have contracts. Even if we didn't think he was top level, why allow him to go to a team we're in direct competition with? I think they'd be in serious trouble with their injuries up front and could have been well behind us before they get Walcott and Giroud back. They had very little time to sign any other striker yet we did them a favour in selling them Danny, ridiculously short sighted from us.
 
I love Welbeck and wish we hadn't sold him, but this thread is awful. Every single goal/miss is now either proof that he will be world class when given a run up top and a reason to come in here and mourn his departure, or is used as evidence that he's shit and we were right to sell him. Both sides of the argument are utterly tedious. He can't touch the ball without tears or "I told you so's".
I don't want Arsenal to do well, but I hope Danny does well for them on a personal level.
 
Manucho the boss said:
My point is we could have held onto him for another year, that's why players have contracts. Even if we didn't think he was top level, why allow him to go to a team we're in direct competition with? I think they'd be in serious trouble with their injuries up front and could have been well behind us before they get Walcott and Giroud back. They had very little time to sign any other striker yet we did them a favour in selling them Danny, ridiculously short sighted from us.
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Fair enough. That would've been in the best interests of United, hard to argue against it.

But look at it this way. By following the course of action you've suggested we would likely estrange the player who by all means was in search of regular first team football to keep his international ambitions afloat. Not just any player mind, but a self professed United fan, like you or me. Does he deserve such shabby treatment at the hands of the club after all the years he given to its cause ? Van Gaal had reportedly placed Rooney, Van Persie, Falcao and Wilson over him in the depth chart. Would it have been worth Danny's while to be the 5th choice in the board's quest for ensuring Arsenal's detriment ?
 
LR7 said:
I love Welbeck and wish we hadn't sold him, but this thread is awful. Every single goal/miss is now either proof that he will be world class when given a run up top and a reason to come in here and mourn his departure, or is used as evidence that he's shit and we were right to sell him. Both sides of the argument are utterly tedious. He can't touch the ball without tears or "I told you so's".
I don't want Arsenal to do well, but I hope Danny does well for them on a personal level.
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This thread is and will become the Pogba one X 100000
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Veron had quality. Shevchenko had quality. It doesn't always shine through.

Not that I'm knocking Falcao. He could be brilliant for us. Just get uneasy with the assumption that he will definitely score enough goals this season that we won't regret selling Welbeck. Right now it's welbeck one, falcao nil. Hopefully that's the one and only time Welbeck is the more prolific striker this season.
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While I agree with your comments about the expectations on Falcao hitting form immediately, simply comparing him and Welbeck the way you seem to be there now is complete nonsense.
 
Falcao being here doesn't have to have a bearing on whether we'll regret selling Welbeck or not.

Danny never contributed enough goals or assists to regret selling him anyway so it doesn't matter.
 
Manucho the boss said:
No idea how we managed to strengthen Arsenal during the last few hours of the transfer window, they were on the ropes with their lack of strikers. Still disgusted about it and a few goals from Falcao here or there won't change that.
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We brought in a world class striker and sold a not world class one. Whats so hard to grasp about that. This is the difference, Arsenal sold us RVP and he arguably won us the league single handed. Is Welbeck going to win the league for Arsenal? I don't think so and what's more I don't think he will be difference between us or Arsenal in getting a champions league spot.
 
Look at how crazy people can be. He scores 1 goal and 1 assist. Great game. And people gave him funny joke like "almost missed", "5 yard only". People even criticize someone who commenting him for scoring goals. I don't see anything wrong with that. Welbeck can score as many as he likes, but if Arsenal lose points more than us we are still going to make it top 4. Never mind top 4, we can beat Liverpool for top 3. And if everything is going well until February, we might can challenge title.
 
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People are commenting about his performance. Nothing wrong with it
So for people who are here just to cringe someone and makes it worse so better don't come.

And if you don't like how this thread becomes then stay out of it and go find another thread to post.
 
Is it wrong that I like Welbeck but don't give a shit how well or badly he does at arsenal?

I hope he scores plenty against Liverpool and city, but other than that, I'm really not fussed.
 
Manucho the boss said:
My point is we could have held onto him for another year, that's why players have contracts. Even if we didn't think he was top level, why allow him to go to a team we're in direct competition with? I think they'd be in serious trouble with their injuries up front and could have been well behind us before they get Walcott and Giroud back. They had very little time to sign any other striker yet we did them a favour in selling them Danny, ridiculously short sighted from us.
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That would be like the year we kept Berbatov only to sit him on the bench the entire year. Would you do that to a home-grown player and lifelong United fan simply to spite Arsenal?
 
Thought he put in a very good performance today, seems to be forming a very good understanding with Ozil as well. His energy and pace upfront does make a big difference, so many times he would stop their defender having an easy pass out. In attack having that pace also helped, hopefully he keeps on improving. Important for him to get a goal as well, after some misses in the past two games will give him a lot more confidence.
 
matherto said:
Danny never contributed enough goals or assists to regret selling him anyway so it doesn't matter.
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That's an incredibly myopic way of looking at it. Regardless of whether or not he contributed enough here to justify keeping him, why sell to one of our rivals who we're directly competing with for a CL spot? We could have tilted the odds of finishing top 4 much more in our favor by selling Welbeck almost anywhere else. Having said that, I'm still confident we'll finish top 4. But definitely made it a little harder on ourselves.
 
Not that it would ever have happened, but anyone else here think that Liverpool would have been better off with Welbeck instead of a static striker like Balotelli? Balotelli maybe more talented and have more goals in him, but Welbeck would fit in better with Rodgers' philosophy.
 
Manucho the boss said:
My point is we could have held onto him for another year, that's why players have contracts. Even if we didn't think he was top level, why allow him to go to a team we're in direct competition with? I think they'd be in serious trouble with their injuries up front and could have been well behind us before they get Walcott and Giroud back. They had very little time to sign any other striker yet we did them a favour in selling them Danny, ridiculously short sighted from us.
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I think we'll be closer to Chelsea and city then arsenal and Liverpool personally. Or at least a decent amount ahead of Liverpool that arsenal won't really matter too much. We strengthened ourselves loads by signing falcao, and it's not like welbeck is a great striker that he'll bring arsenal to another level. He's like giroud level but worse finishing. Anyways, it wouldn't be fair on welbeck if we forced him to stay when we didn't want him and he would be 4th/5th choice here, barely getting any games. And those games he would get would hold back Wilson and januzaj, just to screw arsenal over. Basically, it wouldn't have been good for anyone.
 
GaryLifo said:
Is it wrong that I like Welbeck but don't give a shit how well or badly he does at arsenal?

I hope he scores plenty against Liverpool and city, but other than that, I'm really not fussed.
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Pretty much how I feel tbh.

He's going to get goals guys. Have you seen the Arsenal team? They will create many chances, and Welbeck is going to be on the end of them. That's how Giroud gets goals. Welbeck wants to be the main striker, it's how he feels he can progress his career. It was NEVER going to happen here at United. We couldn't afford to give him a trial as the main striker (unlike Arsenal who have some truly shocking options and injuries) after the season we had. He wanted game time now. We couldn't risk it.

Let's see his conversion rate at the end of the year.
 
Man of Leisure said:
That's an incredibly myopic way of looking at it. Regardless of whether or not he contributed enough here to justify keeping him, why sell to one of our rivals who we're directly competing with for a CL spot? We could have tilted the odds of finishing top 4 much more in our favor by selling Welbeck almost anywhere else. Having said that, I'm still confident we'll finish top 4. But definitely made it a little harder on ourselves.
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Selling someone who doesn't score enough to a team we're contributing knowing that by signing him they'll pretty much play him every game therefore causing them to score less goals because they're playing someone who doesn't score enough?

Actually quite clever.

I sense Arsenal fans will get fairly fed up with his lack of finishing pretty sharpish. Giroud will walk straight back into the team and ol' Danny will find himself on the bench more often than not thereby making his move completely redundant.
 
Man of Leisure said:
Not that it would ever have happened, but anyone else here think that Liverpool would have been better off with Welbeck instead of a static striker like Balotelli? Balotelli maybe more talented and have more goals in him, but Welbeck would fit in better with Rodgers' philosophy.
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Exactly what they needed. It's also why I think Welbeck will become a very good forward if he can be more clinical.
 
matherto said:
Selling someone who doesn't score enough to a team we're contributing knowing that by signing him they'll pretty much play him every game therefore causing them to score less goals because they're playing someone who doesn't score enough?

Actually quite clever.

I sense Arsenal fans will get fairly fed up with his lack of finishing pretty sharpish. Giroud will walk straight back into the team and ol' Danny will find himself on the bench more often than not thereby making his move completely redundant.
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Their other option was Sanogo though. So it has improved them.
 
Had a great overall game as usual, held the ball up well, linked-up nicely and showed some skills. Also defended well from the front. Got a striker's goal which will be good for confidence. Great assist too, and was on same wavelength with Ozil. He enjoyed himself out there. It's now up to him to buckle up and kick on, he has an opportunity to nail a permanent starting position for a top team and have a great career.
 
Someone said:
You can't ruin a player's career and force him to sign for a club he doesn't want to join, we didn't really want to keep him so the decent thing to do was to grant him his wish. Doesn't matter now if he makes it or not, he isn't a united player anymore.
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There's a difference between forcing a player to sign for a particular club and telling him he cant join one.
 
So far, he has worked hard for the team in every game. That's what I like about him. All we need from him is to step up in the big games, where Giroud was found lacking. That apart, I think he'll get 10 goals and a fair few assists/pre-assists, which is more than what Sanogo would have got.
 
kouroux said:
This thread is and will become the Pogba one X 100000
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I don't think so. The Pogba sale was so obviously a big mistake simply because of the circumstances of his sale and also he has proven he is an elite midfielder and there is no debate about his talent. This thread is going to have a really big divide among supporters because some severely overrate him and other severely underrate him
 
kouroux said:
This thread is and will become the Pogba one X 100000
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one340 said:
I don't think so. The Pogba sale was so obviously a big mistake simply because of the circumstances of his sale and also he has proven he is an elite midfielder and there is no debate about his talent. This thread is going to have a really big divide among supporters because some severely overrate him and other severely underrate him
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I think it will. Simply because unlike Pogba, people will have to deal with seeing him every week at a rival club in the prem. Wont be 10000 times worse as he's unlikely to reach the level Pogba can but it'l be bad, this thread.
 
one340 said:
I don't think so. The Pogba sale was so obviously a big mistake simply because of the circumstances of his sale and also he has proven he is an elite midfielder and there is no debate about his talent. This thread is going to have a really big divide among supporters because some severely overrate him and other severely underrate him
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Of course the two situations are different but the similarities I was talking about concerned how it'll be bumped by the two main set of supporters depending on what Welbeck does. It'll be boring
 
Quality dish off and burst into the box for his goal. Those sort of chances last year were often met with a terrible ball into the back post and or virtually no interplay from the supporting attackers.
 
Varun said:
There's a difference between forcing a player to sign for a particular club and telling him he cant join one.
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It was between arsenal and spurs, it's not like he had offers from several top clubs in spain and italy.
 
Drama queens, the lot of you. Like someone said, if we sell Smalling to Arsenal and sign Benatia or Hummels, have we strenghtened Arsenal per say? The lack of logic from many in this thread is alarming. Welbeck HAS WANTED TO LEAVE UNITED SINCE LAST SEASON UNDER MOYES! He does NOT want a squad role and let's face it, no manager would start Welbeck up top ahead of RVP or Rooney, for very obvious reasons, he's simply not that good. If he was, Ferguson wouldn't have needed to sign RVP, he'd have relied on him to partner Rooney that season. If some of you think selling your third choice striker equates strenghtening your rival then good luck to you, I really don't get it. He'll score goals here and there, he'll work hard but ultimately, he's no Diego Costa, Falcao, Aguero or RVP and not good enough to carry Arsenal to anything of significance.
 
Smoke On the Water said:
I am insulted to be honest. I wish the lad nothing but good luck and many goals. I am proud of him and am happy to see him happy, playing well and scoring goals anywhere. I'll just ignore that one because it is not directed at myself.
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Sorry mate, not directed at you, I just don't understand the "i told you so" brigade anytime he scores or misses a chance. He's a good lad, will score goals but ultimately he's not one to cry over.
 
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legball said:
Sorry mate, not directed at you, I just don't understand the "i told you so" brigade anything he scores or misses a chance. He's a good lad, will score goals but ultimately he's not one to cry over.
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We should be proud of him in my opinion. Playing for whoever, especially regarded as a high level academy graduate. I think you are right with some on here being drama queens.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Veron had quality. Shevchenko had quality. It doesn't always shine through.

Not that I'm knocking Falcao. He could be brilliant for us. Just get uneasy with the assumption that he will definitely score enough goals this season that we won't regret selling Welbeck. Right now it's welbeck one, falcao nil. Hopefully that's the one and only time Welbeck is the more prolific striker this season.
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In fairness Shevchenko signed the wrong side of 30, keeping up with the pace of the PL would prove to be difficult for any player - let only one that is getting on. I still think Veron came to us a few seasons too soon, had he come to us later we probably would have utilised him better.

But i get your point.

Every signing is a risk but i personally believe Falcao is on another level and will score goals for us. Its not a case of IF but when
 
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