Danny Welbeck | Arsenal player

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Welbeck was part of united at the right time, a club only now and then would spend some money on certain top class players, the club has just changed the way they buy players these days, and it's far more aggressive

It is the mentality of a Real Madrid, willing to move on very good players that some fans think is a bit mad to sell. All the club are doing these days, is bringing in players better than what the club have got, while falcao maybe 5 years older than welbeck, he is better than welbeck.

Welbeck has hit the right age where he needed a fresh club who will give him a consistent run upfront, and at the end of the day the club made the right decision selling him
 
Robbie Boy said:
243 games for Madrid and 113 goals. Not a player I would have used as an example but nevertheless, not a bad record.
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It's not that impressive either considering he's been there at the time while Real Madrid is probably top scoring team in Europe.
 
Amar__ said:
It's not that impressive either considering he's been there at the time while Real Madrid is probably top scoring team in Europe.
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It's impressive given he's literally there as a body to occupy defenders so that Ronaldo has more space.

Certainly more than Welbeck would score.
 
He scored? The goal must have moved :) Good luck to him. We know he's a good player so we just have to accept it. Rooney, RVP, Falcao and Wilson will have to do!
 
Falcao>RvP>Rooney>Welbeck any day of the week. Glad we got rid of him. A goal here or there wont change anything.
 
RedRover said:
He was brought in because Giroud is injured, Sanogo is shite and he was available last minute.

I'm sure Wenger and every sane Arsenal fan would prefer a Falcao level player instead.
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Of course. But we've still given them a very good young player with possibly 10 years of good football ahead of him. People are letting Falcao cloud their judgement. Selling Arsenal a player like Welbeck shouldn't have even been considered
 
Amar__ said:
It's not that impressive either considering he's been there at the time while Real Madrid is probably top scoring team in Europe.
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Well it is actually impressive enough considering he is nowhere near being the main man. He was often behind Higuain in the pecking order and really had to fight to become a starter.

I have 100% confidence that Welbeck could never reach those levels.
 
OneUnited24 said:
At the end of the day, he didnt score enough. And while we can all sit here and say he would have BECOME a world class striker we need to be more ruthless and cut the fat from the squad and fill it with proven players who will take us back to the top. Now it might looks as though i am suggesting we should discard giving youth a chance im not but i think we need to re-establish a good first team whos philosophy will filter down to the kids.

Welbecks gone now and i wish him well but i just dont think hes got enough quality to make it at a top club and one goal vs Villa isnt going to change my mind
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Agreed.

Too much romanticism on here at times. Some armchair fans seem to think they know best and he'll be a star.

LVG didn't think so. Fergie brought in RVP rather than give him the starting job. I think that tells you something.

He's a decent player and he did well for the club. We needed fresh impetus and new players and that's just the way it is.
 
SteveW said:
Of course. But we've still given them a very good young player with possibly 10 years of good football ahead of him. People are letting Falcao cloud their judgement. Selling Arsenal a player like Welbeck shouldn't have even been considered
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A good player - but as it stands not good enough.

We couldn't offer him starts and that's what he wanted. I don't see any other way forward but to let h move on.

What's the alternative? Keep an unhappy player? It's not good for the team or the player.

And how can you not consider Falcao? We brought in a player who puts him further down the pecking order. It's entirely relevant.
 
Am I the only one getting a little nervous with all the assumptions that Falcao will be a goal-scoring machine in the PL? I mean I hope he is but this confidence does smack of counting chickens. Wouldn't be the first time a very prolific La Liga striker flopped in England.
 
Robbie Boy said:
Well it is actually impressive enough considering he is nowhere near being the main man. He was often behind Higuain in the pecking order and really had to fight to become a starter.

I have 100% confidence that Welbeck could never reach those levels.
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Yeah, he is nowhere near being the main man yet he is getting all the support from his manager player can get. They are signing world class players all over the place except in his position, even though many think that's the first ppsotion they should improve on, or at least find decent backup for Benzema.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Am I the only one getting a little nervous with all the assumptions that Falcao will be a goal-scoring machine in the PL? I mean I hope he is but this confidence does smack of counting chickens. Wouldn't be the first time a very prolific La Liga striker flopped in England.
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Well Falcao is a proven goal-scorer, regardless of the league hes proven he can get goals. Every signing is a risk - i'm sure people thought Di Maria would be too lightweight for the PL... The point i'm making is quality always shines through and Falcao definitely has it
 
RedRover said:
A good player - but as it stands not good enough.

We couldn't offer him starts and that's what he wanted. I don't see any other way forward but to let h move on.

What's the alternative? Keep an unhappy player? It's not good for the team or the player.

And how can you not consider Falcao? We brought in a player who puts him further down the pecking order. It's entirely relevant.
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Raoul suggested Welbeck doesn't strengthen Arsenal. That's what I was responding to. How is Falcao relevant to that?
 
SteveW said:
Raoul suggested Welbeck doesn't strengthen Arsenal. That's what I was responding to. How is Falcao relevant to that?
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Could be wrong but I think he meant relativistic strengthening. As in, with a failure to nab Danny - Arsenal could've instead focused their attention on a better caliber of striker. In Welbeck they have a borderline Tier 2 European striker and maybe the financial outlay involved will dissuade Wenger from adding another (probably tier 1 European striker) to the mix. The latter option would've presented a much greater threat to United's CL qualifying/ title ambitions in the medium term.
 
Invictus said:
Could be wrong but I think he meant relativistic strengthening. As in, with a failure to nab Danny - Arsenal could've instead focused their attention on a better caliber of striker. In Welbeck they have a borderline Tier 2 European striker and maybe the financial outlay involved will dissuade Wenger from adding another (probably tier 1 European striker) to the mix. The latter option would've presented a much greater threat to United's CL qualifying/ title ambitions in the medium term.
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They signed him on deadline day, their other option was something stupid like zgic or whatever that croatian striker name is not a Tier 2 European Striker.
 
Invictus said:
Could be wrong but I think he meant relativistic strengthening. As in, with a failure to nab Danny - Arsenal could've instead focused their attention on a better caliber of striker. In Welbeck they have a borderline Tier 2 European striker and maybe the financial outlay involved will dissuade Wenger from adding another (probably tier 1 European striker) to the mix. The latter option would've presented a much greater threat to United's CL qualifying/ title ambitions in the medium term.
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His resale value will still be high due to his age and they could also sell the likes of Podolski to help fund another striker.

The way I see it 16 million is a tiny fee to pay for a player of his age and talent. He will be a good option for them for up to a decade or at worst still have a decent resale value if they decide to sell.

It's not the type of outlay that will realistically stop them from making future purchases. They they find someone they prefer they can sell Welbeck for a decent fee. It's far more likely they would look to sell the likes of Podolski and Campbell. Worst case scenario they can compare Welbeck and Giroud for a season and sell one of them next season. They can't lose with this deal.

The only way they could definitely have lost is by getting no striker and having to play Yaya Sanogo. Missing out on the CL would have been a real possibility.
 
OneUnited24 said:
Well Falcao is a proven goal-scorer, regardless of the league hes proven he can get goals. Every signing is a risk - i'm sure people thought Di Maria would be too lightweight for the PL... The point i'm making is quality always shines through and Falcao definitely has it
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Veron had quality. Shevchenko had quality. It doesn't always shine through.

Not that I'm knocking Falcao. He could be brilliant for us. Just get uneasy with the assumption that he will definitely score enough goals this season that we won't regret selling Welbeck. Right now it's welbeck one, falcao nil. Hopefully that's the one and only time Welbeck is the more prolific striker this season.
 
MJJ said:
They signed him on deadline day, their other option was something stupid like zgic or whatever that croatian striker name is not a Tier 2 European Striker.
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That's precisely why I mentioned the medium part in the end. It could be done in January or next summer had they not added him on deadline day. Iif we factor in Arsenal's overall investment into Welbeck including wages and fee - that in conjunction with other priority positions to fill, their hamfisted budget and the fact that have Giroud and Danny in a one striker system - would suggest that they won't be splurging on a tier 1 striker anytime soon. Which is rather beneficial to United's ambitions.

SteveW said:
His resale value will still be high due to his age and they could also sell the likes of Podolski to help fund another striker.

The way I see it 16 million is a tiny fee to pay for a player of his age and talent. He will be a good option for them for up to a decade or at worst still have a decent resale value if they decide to sell.

It's not the type of outlay that will realistically stop them from making future purchases. They they find someone they prefer they can sell Welbeck for a decent fee. It's far more likely they would look to sell the likes of Podolski and Campbell. Worst case scenario they can compare Welbeck and Giroud for a season and sell one of them next season. They can't lose with this deal.

The only way they could definitely have lost is by getting no striker and having to play Yaya Sanogo. Missing out on the CL would have been a real possibility.
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Will he be sold anytime soon to fund another striker though ? As for Podolski he would fetch 5m tops. No Premier League teams would likely touch him with a bargepole, the player himself would prefer a move back to Germany and BuLi clubs aren't particularly known for their largess.

Agreed. He will a good option. But a possible game breaker like some are suggesting with the 35+ goals/ potentially world class comments ? I don't think so in fairness.

For a club like Arsenal I'm afraid to say it is. They still have 350 million worth of debt to repay and the revenue streams are much smaller compared to say United. Their board would think thrice before enlisting the services of another striker.

Hence the possibility of them chasing a genuinely world class striker in January in face of the financial implication of potentially not qualifying for Europe.
 
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MJJ said:
They signed him on deadline day, their other option was something stupid like zgic or whatever that croatian striker name is not a Tier 2 European Striker.
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Exactly, whether he was good enough for us isn't the issue for me, I happen to think he was a very useful option in our squad, it's the fact that with hours to go in the transfer window Arsenal (probably a direct challenger of ours) were facing having fecking Yaya Sanogo up front until January. Why then did we decide to help them out by selling them Welbeck for 16m when players like Lallana were going for 25? They wouldn't sell us Vermaelen, even if he wasn't good enough to start for them, because they saw he could be of use to us in the same way Welbeck is now to them.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Veron had quality. Shevchenko had quality. It doesn't always shine through.

Not that I'm knocking Falcao. He could be brilliant for us. Just get uneasy with the assumption that he will definitely score enough goals this season that we won't regret selling Welbeck. Right now it's welbeck one, falcao nil. Hopefully that's the one and only time Welbeck is the more prolific striker this season.
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Meh who cares how many goals he scores for Arsenal. He wasnt for us, not enough at least. Don't really see any reason to cry after him, even if Falcao doesnt have a good season with us. We have so many options up front.
 
Invictus said:
That's precisely why I mentioned the medium part in the end. It could be done in January or next summer had they not added him on deadline day. Iif we factor in Arsenal's overall investment into Welbeck including wages and fee - that in conjunction with other priority positions to fill, their hamfisted budget and the fact that have Giroud and Danny in a one striker system - would suggest that they won't be splurging on a tier 1 striker anytime soon. Which is rather beneficial to United's ambitions.
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I think you're deluding yourself a bit here. Wenger had all summer to sign this tier 1 striker but didn't sign anyone. Welbeck won't be blocking the signing of a new striker because Wenger doesn't seem to believe a good enough one is available, and I'd agree with him.
 
Godfather said:
Meh who cares how many goals he scores for Arsenal. He wasnt for us, not enough at least. Don't really see any reason to cry after him, even if Falcao doesnt have a good season with us. We have so many options up front.
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I definitely do.

Would be less bothered if he was scoring them for someone else. Anyway this has been done to death. If he scores lots for Arsenal and Falcao doesn't do the same for us it would be really annoying but not the end of the world.
 
Danny had way more time that other United youngsters and yet he failed to produce anything significant for the team.

Part of me is happy that he may find his place on the football map someday but for United he was an eternal talent in a making... every season, same promise not fulfilled.
 
Invictus said:
That's precisely why I mentioned the medium part in the end. It could be done in January or next summer had they not added him on deadline day. Iif we factor in Arsenal's overall investment into Welbeck including wages and fee - that in conjunction with other priority positions to fill, their hamfisted budget and the fact that have Giroud and Danny in a one striker system - would suggest that they won't be splurging on a tier 1 striker anytime soon. Which is rather beneficial to United's ambitions.



Will he be sold anytime soon to fund another striker though ? As for Podolski he would fetch 5m tops. No Premier League teams would likely touch him with a bargepole, the player himself would prefer a move back to Germany and BuLi clubs aren't particularly known for their largess.

Agreed. He will a good option. But a possible game breaker like some are suggesting with the 35+ goals/ potentially world class comments ? I don't think so in fairness.

For a club like Arsenal I'm afraid to say it is. They still have 350 million worth of debt to repay and the revenue streams are much smaller compared to say United. Their board would think thrice before enlisting the services of another striker.

Hence the possibility of them chasing a genuinely world class striker in January in face of the financial implication of potentially not qualifying for Europe.
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Ofcourse they can and will. Welbeck can play as LW/RW or CF. They can easily put him as second choice for all those positions along with walcott and splurge out on a new striker next year.

Fact of the matter is that giroud was injured, and the only striker available to them was sanago. In a year when we needed to get back in top four why the feck did we sell them welbeck and help them out? The 2-3 months without giroud could have made all the difference in our bid for top four.

In fact arsenal didnt even entertain the thought of selling us vermelean yet we did them a solid here.
 
Mogget said:
I think you're deluding yourself a bit here. Wenger had all summer to sign this tier 1 striker but didn't sign anyone. Welbeck won't be blocking the signing of a new striker because Wenger doesn't seem to believe a good enough one is available, and I'd agree with him.
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Or maybe Wenger wanted to but the better available strikers didn't want to join ? I mean look at it rationally rather than from an Arsenal fan's perspective. Mandzukic went to a club very much on the ascent, Lewandowski was done dealio for Bayern, I don't suppose you could afford Falcao's wages, Suarez was only headed on place.. Slim picking apart from those four TBF.

@MJJ

I'm afraid the message isn't getting across. Maybe I didn't explain it well enough, in which case it's my bad. Anyway let's drop this. Not very fond of this thread and the cyclical nature of discussion that goes alongwith.
 
No idea how we managed to strengthen Arsenal during the last few hours of the transfer window, they were on the ropes with their lack of strikers. Still disgusted about it and a few goals from Falcao here or there won't change that.
 
For what its worth I would have loved to see how he'd fare up top with Rooney in the side we put out against QPR last sunday. I think that he could've been awesome in a setup like that.
 
Van Piorsing said:
Danny had way more time that other United youngsters and yet he failed to produce anything significant for the team.

Part of me is happy that he may find his place on the football map someday but for United he was an eternal talent in a making... every season, same promise not fulfilled.
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Just like Kagawa and other players who are good players, sometimes a certain Club and the way the Club plays are just not suitable for a player and then said player has to move on.
 
Manucho the boss said:
No idea how we managed to strengthen Arsenal during the last few hours of the transfer window, they were on the ropes with their lack of strikers. Still disgusted about it and a few goals from Falcao here or there won't change that.
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The same way Arsenal managed to strengthen United by selling RVP.

It happens when players want a move and, no they usually don't want to move to a lesser club.
 
Falcao is the proven top scorer we needed to keep rvp-rooney on their toes. Welbeck cant do that. If falcao fails to make an impact he will leave and united would lose just 6m. Welbeck could never be manchester united lead striker (something he wanted enough to handle a transfer request)
 
Essaux said:
The same way Arsenal managed to strengthen United by selling RVP.

It happens when players want a move and, no they usually don't want to move to a lesser club.
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Not exactly. Rvp was aresenal main man. Welbeck was a squad player for us. Its like comparing rio to silvestre
 
Essaux said:
Just like Kagawa and other players who are good players, sometimes a certain Club and the way the Club plays are just not suitable for a player and then said player has to move on.
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Exactly. He had some great times in United, won few trophies already but currently it was better to let him choose a place where he can start over with a clean record.

LVG was honest with him and that will only help him.
 
Invictus said:
Or maybe Wenger wanted to but the better available strikers didn't want to join ? I mean look at it rationally rather than from an Arsenal fan's perspective. Mandzukic went to a club very much on the ascent, Lewandowski was done dealio for Bayern, I don't suppose you could afford Falcao's wages, Suarez was only headed on place.. Slim picking apart from those four TBF.
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Well exactly. If there aren't any top strikers available, or they don't want to join us, then the next best thing is to buy a young striker and hope he can develop into a top striker.
 
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