Top class for his age, yes. Been banging that drum for ages.
He's gonna make you look like a mug, that's for damn sure. Just a shame I can't take any pleasure in it.
Danny Welbeck | Arsenal player
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Top class for his age, yes. Been banging that drum for ages.
He's gonna make you look like a mug, that's for damn sure. Just a shame I can't take any pleasure in it.
Last season has partly been erased from my mind. Remember two of his goals coming against Swansea on the first day and he then fizzled away until the Spurs game which we lost but he scored. Scored a couple more too, 8 or 9 league goals was it?
The majority of his games last season were definitely up top though if I remember correctly, but he still went on very long streaks without scoring and failed to make much of an impact in the bigger games.(vs the top four.)
Welbeck will never score more than 25 goals in a season and you can quote me on that.
Still confused why Madrid and Barca weren't after Welbeck. Clearly he's proved the doubters wrong now after 2 goals against Switzerland..
Heh. Moving the goalposts already. Not all that long ago you'd have dropped that figure to 20.
25 goals per season would be a great return for someone whose all-round play brings so much to the team. I can see him getting there or thereabouts. If not this season, in the the next couple.
20 it is so.
As I understand the story he wanted to go this time too and it was the club which didn't want to let him go.
Umm... what? He publicly asked to leave twice in the last 6 months. If he wanted to stay he could've gone on loan ala. Hernandez.
Because he scored those two goals AFTER signing for Arsenal. Besides, Real were busy getting getting another United-scapegoat on loan, remember? And Barca only play with midfielders anyway.
Welbeck romantics won't accept that though.
On the contrary reports back up what you have said, he's been wanting out for a while now even before LVG came through the door. He even 'envisaged' playing for the Arse for a while.
The club wanted him to go on loan not sell him, his agent confirmed this on deadline day, so no he wasn't forced out.
He will probably have a good start at Arsenal. Then he will become second behind Giroud, they will bring in a even better striker next summer and he will be sold from Arsenal in a couple of years.
Does his NT form not give you any reason to think otherwise?
It seems story will be changed to - we wanted to sell him and practically pressured him to leave the club..
He asked twice to leave the club but suddenly he wanted to stay 2nd time around.
And he 'envisaged' playing for Arsenal than fair enough, he has his chance now....
One of the things I found amusing was that a lot of us thought LvG would marginalize Rooney and make Welbeck the United version of Muller. Turned out quite different in reality.
Nope. The only thing that made me change it up to 25 is Giroud managing to score 20 last season. Van Persie and Rooney both got over 30 goals twice in their career and that's the return I expect of a United striker. I still think Welbeck isn't a good enough finisher and frequently makes the wrong decisions (see the failed pass to Sterling last night) I strongly expect Wenger to buy/develop a stronger striker over the next 2 years and Welbeck will be shunted out wide or worse playing second string to Giroud.
Hopefully we'll know soon enough so we can decide what to think.
If Welbeck was adamant about leaving then that's a shame but there's nothing we could have done.
However, if he was forced out because LVG didn't rate him, that's extremely infuriating and a tad worrying in terms of LVG's judgement.
Either way, I'm convinced we'll sorely miss him in a few years when he has developed into a top-class striker while all of our forwards are old and declining.
Can understand that, his decision making being a fall back of a young striker is pleasing though if that's his worst asset, also, Rooney got sent off at a WC at a similar age, so decision making I suppose comes in two parts.
In terms of the goal return, how can Nope simply be an answer? He's scored 1 every 2.4 games for England, Arsenal, with cups an champions league can play nearly 50-60 games.
60 Games divided by averagel goal ratio for NT of 2.4 = 25, not that far fetched...
Yup, we certainly don't replace our 'old and declining' strikers...
Unless we have been banned from making any moves over the next few years I very much doubt we'll allow our front line to decline that much so even then the loss of Danny won't be as traumatic as the romantics make out.
Again. It's like the bloke last night who said Welbeck scored every 160 minutes as a striker and if you streched it out over a season he'd be on 25 goals. I'm not interested in hypotheticals. Welbeck's best return for us was 12. Hernandez went beyond 18 in two of his seasons for us, and he played far less than Welbeck. Until I see long standing consistency I will never take him seriously as a "top class talent".
I don't understand this pessimism that just because we sold one player it's the end of Manchester United's striking options. We will be giving James Wilson a chance hopefully unlike Welbeck he will take it and fight for his spot. And the day our current strikers are no longer up for it they will be replaced. The club will move on it won't end at the sale of Danny Welbeck.
Even if he does go on to score goals for Arse, so what? Rossi, Forlan, RVN, Ronaldo all have done so it after moving on it won't effect us, we always find someone who can do the job in their place.
Not only did he want to leave (which i have no problem with he's entitled to) he chose to go to the Arse, we wanted to loan him to Spurs or Sunderland. He chose to bail and go to a club United did not want him to go to.
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Theo will be fit soon and we have bought in Sanchez. I do honestly believe those two are capable of giving us 20+ goals a season so we don't exactly need a 30 goal striker.
Was very impressed when your lot played R.Madrid and he was on Alonso like a rash, I reckon he must have followed him to the bathroom at half time as well. A lot of surprise as Fergie dropped Rooney but Welbeck was very tactically impressive in that game.
It remains to be seen how well he develops, he needs to develop a more killer instinct in front of goal. Wenger has managed to bring that side out of the likes of Henry & RvP, neither were big goal scorers so hopefully he can do the same for him.
Who, unlike Welbeck, hasn't once alluded to considering a move?
Your double standards on these two is really bizarre. Don't think I've ever come across a poster quite so biased.
Would have been easier to just having Welbeck around, wouldn't it?
What? You outright said Welbeck didn't want to leave. His agent said on the day of the transfer he wasn't interested in a loan move and only wanted a permanent move. That's also forgetting his PR briefing in March before Moyes was sacked.
No because when Rooney/RVP/Falcao have run their race we'll bring in playes still better than Danny who'll still be 3/4 choice at best.
Good post, I completely agree.
We now have a strike force of Rooney, RVP and Falcao. All three of these players are very similar in style - there is no pace, no dribbling or will to take on a man, there is no pressing or harassing the defenders. These are the things Welbeck gave us.
It was plainly obvious last night that even in the 93rd minute, Welbeck was still putting in 100%, closing down defenders etc. Compare this to our players who a lot of the time don't even look bothered.
The whole myth about Welbeck being unable to score is a poor one as well because like it or not, he WAS played out wide a lot. When played up front in a striking role, his conversion rate has never been that bad and now that he is likely to actually get consistent gametime as a striker, his composure and confidence in front of goal will improve dramatically, I can practically guarantee that.
The problems in our squad at the moment are as much mental as anything. I don't see how bringing in an overpaid mercenary and shipping out a youngster who has been at the club since he was a kid, fixes any of that.
The Daily Mail say his goals last night were humiliating for Van Gaal. I'm disappointed we let him go but Jesus wept 
We will be fine now obviously as we have three strikers better than him but in about 3 years time when he's flourishing and our top ones are over the hill we might regret it a bit. More so because he's a youth product.
I'm still annoyed that we sold him to Arsenal as I think he'll turn out to be a good striker. But in reality Welbeck did ask to leave so I can't blame United too much. I loved him here but I truly hope he flops at Arsenal. I despise Arsenal and as our rivals, why would I want Arsenal to do well?
The reaction from journalists has been pretty comical. He's been used as a scapegoat before but now he's moved to Arsenal he's now the best thing since sliced bread. They need to calm down.
I'm still annoyed that we sold him to Arsenal as I think he'll turn out to be a good striker. But in reality Welbeck did ask to leave so I can't blame United too much. I loved him here but I truly hope he flops at Arsenal. I despise Arsenal and as our rivals, why would I want Arsenal to do well?
The reaction from journalists has been pretty comical. He's been used as a scapegoat before but now he's moved to Arsenal he's now the best thing since sliced bread. They need to calm down.
Welbeck didn't want to stay around and he isn't good enough yet (or ever) to be our regular striker.
I thought the direct quote was something to the effect of "I enjoyed the football Arsenal played last year and could have seen myself fitting into the system" or something.
I think we wont let our strikers to play till they're 40 and not replace them. People are acting like Rooney, RVP and Falcao will be old men in a year or 2. They can give us good 3 or 4 years (RVP less tbh), esp. Falcao. And we have young Wilson waiting. It's not the end of Manchjester United after selling Welbeck.
I dont think he'll ever be a top class striker but that's just my opinion any maybe he'll prove me wrong. Better players had left the club in the past and we moved along..
Not sure if you're being deliberately stupid here or you really didn't get my point. I'll recap, just in case.
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Hernandez has been just as public as Welbeck about considering a move, so it's nonsense to claim that the fact he went on loan is evidence he wanted to stay.
The loan vs permanent move will be an individual decision. Obviously, Welbeck didn't want the uncertainty that surrounds this kind of move. Will he get picked ahead of other young players that Wenger is more keen on developing because they will stay with Arsenal? I can understand him wanting a clean break, especially if he was pissed off at the way the club handled his exit.
Nobody is saying that. It's just quite rare nowadays for a player to break through from our Academy and actually having the quality to play for the first-team. When someone finally does, I don't think we should be selling him.
It's completely fair that you don't believe he would ever be good enough to start for us. I think he has it in him to become a top-class striker. He'll do a Sturridge on us, I believe.
Welbeck playing out of position: Oh but all he needs is a run of games as a striker and he'll bang them in.
Kagawa being played out of position: Good riddance, isn't cut out for the league.
Both these players played the majority of their games at United, out of their favoured position so to speak. Why is Welbeck being treated as something much more than he'll ever be? Kagawa's form for Dortmund was much better than Welbeck's ever done for us, yet so many were relieved that he's gone.
Kagawa being played out of position: Good riddance, isn't cut out for the league.
Both these players played the majority of their games at United, out of their favoured position so to speak. Why is Welbeck being treated as something much more than he'll ever be? Kagawa's form for Dortmund was much better than Welbeck's ever done for us, yet so many were relieved that he's gone.
So your point is that because people were being unfair and too quick to write off Kagawa, they should do the same with Welbeck?
I for one am sad that both of them are gone.
People are gutted that Welbeck left, but I think that's more to do with him being homegrown than anything else.
If I could be arsed, I would dig out the stats that @RedKnight (I think) collated on both Welbeck and Kagawa playing in their preferred positions. Basically, Welbeck more or less out-performed both Rooney and RvP in all aspects as a 9, while Kagawa was absolutely woeful, compared to Rooney and Mata as a number 10.
So basically, they've both been judged on what they've produced for United in their position of choice. Welbeck has looked great. Kagawa hasn't.
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