Welbeck has shown more than any other forward player we've had this season.
Danny Welbeck | Arsenal player
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Welbeck would be great in all 3 forward positions in a 4-3-3. I would have kept Welbeck if I could. Give it two seasons, and I'm convinced Welbeck is picked over Rooney for England as well.
I agree.
But it's been too short a season to make much of that.
RvP hasn't been fit, though, and Rooney was better in preseason, and has the pedigree.
Though I'm a big Welbeck fan, i'd much rather he stayed. I'm just hoping it works out for both teams, but better for us.
That's the worst part to me, by the end of the season our top three strikers will all be over 30.
I console myself by saying we're planning on replacing RvP and Rooney with other top class talent when needed.
And that Welbeck would come back if we told him he'd be first choice, if he becomes that good.
I'm just a little confused why Madrid and Beyern weren't after him when he was up for sale. Clearly he's proved the doubters wrong now after 2 goals against Switzerland.
Clearly.
Not to mention playing for a legend in Wenger, guaranteed CL, suitable football style, and stability of manager. Then also his only competitor as striker is (an injured) Giroud. As a professional footballer, it's a no brainer choice.
Just like Pogba chose Juventus, and RvP to United.
Those two clubs didn't want Falcao when he's available, so he's definitely a shit striker?
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There were rumours that Madrid were sniffing around
What I don't understand is this. Some posters are all about what have we done, why we sold him to Arsenal and so on. I agree it's a bad decision to sell him to Arsenal who were desperate for a striker and will be our main oponnent for 4th spot but what should club have done if Welbeck wanted to go and wanted to go to Arsenal? Refuse his wish and sell him to Tottenham against his wishes. Then people would complain we were awful towards him after all he has done for us and him being a local lad and similar.
We could argue that maybe he should have been given more chances to play up front but that has been Fergie's decision, then Moyes and this year LVG's. Clearly LVG didn't see him a as a first choice striker and that's why we wanted to go. But I see a bit revisionism from some posters, it's like he's a monster of a player. Sure, he's young and talented and he has a lot o f room t o improve but I don't see him reaching big heights tbh.
Maybe our strikers wont be good this year, but if the whole team will finally click I'm sure strikers will too and all three of them are great strikers esp. Falcao. All being good and him being great for us I can see us buying Falcao and him giving us good 3, 4 seasons up front. so it's not exactly we'll be in crisis for a striker that soon.
We could argue that maybe he should have been given more chances to play up front but that has been Fergie's decision, then Moyes and this year LVG's. Clearly LVG didn't see him a as a first choice striker and that's why we wanted to go. But I see a bit revisionism from some posters, it's like he's a monster of a player. Sure, he's young and talented and he has a lot o f room t o improve but I don't see him reaching big heights tbh.
Maybe our strikers wont be good this year, but if the whole team will finally click I'm sure strikers will too and all three of them are great strikers esp. Falcao. All being good and him being great for us I can see us buying Falcao and him giving us good 3, 4 seasons up front. so it's not exactly we'll be in crisis for a striker that soon.
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People need to find something to complain about, happens in anything, especially football.
In my opinion, at the end of the day, I'm just looking at it from a point of view that I would have preferred he stayed but him moving on is a part of football, would have preferred it to be to another club but that's something we can't control and Welbeck has to look out for his best interests, so good luck to him.
Falcao didn't cost 16mil, which would they prefer do you think?
LVG rated him 5th choice striker, Wilson had quite rightly overtaken him.
To those who think we shouldn't have sold him, who would they put him in front of in terms of striker hierarchy?
To those who think we shouldn't have sold him, who would they put him in front of in terms of striker hierarchy?
One one hand, kind of glad that Welbz is doing well but it will hurt more if he continues to do well. But I don't think its time yet to completely break down, our replacement striker aka Falcao on his day is a monster and if he clicks, he will completely rip the league apart. As a pure goalscorer, Falcao is unparalleled. My biggest problem with this is Welbeck's age and the fact that he will in all probability serve Arsenal for years. I would have much rather preferred to give away RVP and keep Welbeck. Much better logic behind that than what we did. Saying all that though, Welbeck still has a long way to go before we truly regret this decision, even Heskey had matches like that where he scored a couple of goals in few mins.
I've never seen the rating of a player sky rocket so much by doing so little. We seem to be completely avoiding the fact that he wanted to leave, both before LvG arrived and after. He isn't good enough to start for us now and therefore we can't give him the gametime he needs; a loan may have helped but ultimately he wanted to leave. The only problem people can have is who we sold him to.
We're up against Costa/Dzeko/Aguero/Jovetic/Sturridge in the league. And the likes of Benzema/Suarez/Ibra/Cavani/Tevez/lewandowski hopefully in the long term via Europe.
Then there's Welbeck. If Danny is still leading the line for Arsenal in two years then I'll be happy because I don't see him becoming the top quality they need to challenge. It'll be a further case of Wenger opting for a cheap patch-up job, just like how he's ignored defensive midfield and has Monreal as a fourth choice centre-back.
We're up against Costa/Dzeko/Aguero/Jovetic/Sturridge in the league. And the likes of Benzema/Suarez/Ibra/Cavani/Tevez/lewandowski hopefully in the long term via Europe.
Then there's Welbeck. If Danny is still leading the line for Arsenal in two years then I'll be happy because I don't see him becoming the top quality they need to challenge. It'll be a further case of Wenger opting for a cheap patch-up job, just like how he's ignored defensive midfield and has Monreal as a fourth choice centre-back.
THat's my opinion too, you just can't win in some situations it seems.
so how good are we if Dannny best st in Europe is our 5th choice
Falcao was even available for free (on loan).
Come on, we both know that he isn't free.
Lets face it, Welbeck is going to really well at Arsenal and it will probably hurt us to see that, but it was one of those where the player had to leave the club to fulfill that potential and the club had to replace him for someone that could deliver right now.
The fact Welbeck has left still leaves a bitter taste in my mouth but he had to leave for his career's sake. And let's face it, we aren't exactly crying out for goal scorers either, if we look at the bigger picture Wilson is a better goal scorer and barring major injury/loss of form is in track to be a major star for us. So by the time Falcao is done it is Wilson that will be i hand to take over.
This is so fecking predictable. He'll go onto be a world beater at Arsenal while Rooney, RVP and Falcao end up in the medical room.
Argh!
Argh!
Got to love the overreaction in this thread. Also got to love the revisionism that he's going to suddenly become top class. He's gone. He wanted to leave. Get over it.
This isn't like the pogba case when we had a potential world class midfielder on our hands. He might bang in some goals for arsenal but that's because he wanted to leave on his own free will. He had a choice to stay.
This isn't like the pogba case when we had a potential world class midfielder on our hands. He might bang in some goals for arsenal but that's because he wanted to leave on his own free will. He had a choice to stay.
This couldn't be anymore unlike the Pogba case, where we actually were in dire need of a talented midfielder.
Agreed...in the end he didn't want a loan...wanted out...so fine by me. He was never going to be in the top two strikers at United. He'll do well at Arsenal, but I don't believe he will do as well as some people are making out. I mean honestly....a couple of goals against the Swiss and suddenly we've sold Pele...
Quite rightly? You believe that an 18-year-old kid who has played one professional match is currently better than a starting England striker who has just been sold for 16 million?
In terms of the hierarchy, pre-Falcao I'd rate him as our third-best striker, but given his age, movement and mobility, I'd rather have him in the line-up alongside Rooney/RvP than play the both of them.
No. Only Van Persie. Rooney and Falcao turn 29 in October and February, respectively.
Agree, though not sure about RVP - he could have done the same at City and not have gone through the debacle of last season (not that he was to more SAF was about to retire).
If he was still with us last season things could have gone very differently for us too. At least he got his PL medal in the end.
It's from the Arseblog podcast. There have also been some rumours that Wenger didn't want him but Gazidis did.
It's like saying, a good second half against Swiss, and now Rooney is back like the new Baggio.
If somebody had said to me at the start of the transfer window that we would lose Welbeck and sign Falcao..... I would have been more than happy. The revonism on here surrounding Welbeck is surreal. Have many of you watched Falcao for Atletico (didn't see much of him at Monaco)? He was an absolute beast who single handily tore teams apart.
Welbeck was a good worker but I feel he lacked the quality to ever have a major impact here. Two goals against Switzerland certainly doesn't change my views. I didn't particularly want to see him go but I also remember plenty of mediocre / poor performances from him. Once Falcao stays fit, he will prove a far greater asset. Lets not forget that Welbeck clearly wanted to leave.
Anyway, revisionism and extreme hyperbole surrounding current / former players around here is laughable and has always been.
Welbeck was a good worker but I feel he lacked the quality to ever have a major impact here. Two goals against Switzerland certainly doesn't change my views. I didn't particularly want to see him go but I also remember plenty of mediocre / poor performances from him. Once Falcao stays fit, he will prove a far greater asset. Lets not forget that Welbeck clearly wanted to leave.
Anyway, revisionism and extreme hyperbole surrounding current / former players around here is laughable and has always been.
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What's revonism?
By all accounts, Welbeck didn't want to go. Which is why people are so annoyed.
People on here have heard from a number of different, reliable, sources that Welbeck wanted out last season when he was being played on the left of a 442 under Moyes. He also seemed unhappy with Moyes, in general. In that same interview he spoke about playing on the left of a front three was completely different and something he would enjoy.
Then along comes Van Gaal, a big fan of 433. Apparently he met with Welbeck in pre-season and Welbeck came away enthused about the new manager and his future at the club. He was told he was third choice striker and was happy with that. Subsequently, Welbeck was informed that he was being put up for sale and that he had misinterpreted what Van Gaal had said. He was actually third choice back-up, behind Januzaj and Wilson. The club had already touted him around the likes of Hull and Newcastle, as they were reluctant to sell him to a rival.
From that point on the ball was in his court. Now he knew the club were actively looking to sell him, he was able to push for the move that best suited his career. Selling him to rival is really fecking annoying but the whole cluster-feck started long before that point. I agree that the club had limited options once they decided he was surplus to requirements but all of this could have been avoided if they hadn't been so keen to sell him in the first place. Obviously, after spunking so much money, we needed to try and balance the books a little. Having failed to drum up and interest in the likes of Nani, Anderson and Fellaini it looks as though Welbeck was next in the firing line. Which is our loss and Arsenal's gain. Like many on here, I think we seriously under-rated the potential contribution he could make over the next few years and this will go down as a Pogba-like feckup by the club. All the more annoying for us fans because we're still having to deal with the actual Pogba feckup! Beggars belief that we spend so much money, while simutaneously letting great young players slip through our fingers.
Source for this? Never heard it before.
So everytime he scores all the Welbeck lovers will come out crying, you would have thought we have sold Ronaldo or Best. I really don't understand where this idea that he will become a super goal scoring machine that will win the Ballon D'or comes from. We have sold far better players than this guy. He was average for us and his record speaks for itself 142 games 29 goals.
That's disgusting if true. Where did you read that?
I think the problem is, given a long run he likely will turn good and go through good runs of banging them in. The problem is, is that RvP and Rooney are clearly better, and we also had Hernandez in a similar position to Welbeck.
So, we either keep an unhappy Welbeck and Hernandez without giving them the long run they need to get back to form or they move on and replace them with a world class forward who can rotate with RvP and Rooney.
Why people can't see it was a good move, I'm not sure. It's good for all parties. Yes, he will bang them in, but that much was obvious. He just could never have banged them in for us. Unless people are seriously suggesting we moved on RvP or Rooney in favour of making Welbeck our number 1.
So, we either keep an unhappy Welbeck and Hernandez without giving them the long run they need to get back to form or they move on and replace them with a world class forward who can rotate with RvP and Rooney.
Why people can't see it was a good move, I'm not sure. It's good for all parties. Yes, he will bang them in, but that much was obvious. He just could never have banged them in for us. Unless people are seriously suggesting we moved on RvP or Rooney in favour of making Welbeck our number 1.
Never been published anywhere (as far as I know) has been passed on by people who claim to know Welbeck and his agent. Would usually dismiss it as "ITK" nonsense but the exact same rumour has come from a few different sources. It started before he was linked with Arsenal fwiw.
I like how he presses so high up the pitch and has the energy to keep on doing it all match long. It really helps disrupt the opposition and something we don't do enough. We let teams build from deep and subsequently put more pressure on our own team doing so. Giroud just hasn't got the pace or energy to do it. Sanchez is very good at it and hopefully Welbeck will continue to do so as well.
That is shocking treatment of a home grown player if true.
That is shocking treatment of a home grown player if true.
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