Danny Welbeck | Arsenal player

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Rednotdead said:
Obviously ready to kick Rooney out? Where did that come from?

Fergie never played Welbeck in a central role by choice, it was usually coming off the left. I didn't see any evidence he was being groomed to take over from Rooney or surely he would have played him more in that central role?
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He was definitely ready to boot Rooney out. If he'd stayed a year, Rooney would be at Chelsea I think.

Like you said though, nothing suggested SAF thought Welbeck was the answer up top.
 
Rado_N said:
There's nothing to suggest he didn't convince SAF. In fact there is evidence to the contrary with the big games he featured in and performed well in.
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Not to the extent that he saw him displacing either of Rooney or RvP. Rooney's falling out with SAF hardly proves that SAF saw Welbeck as a viable replacement either. Kagawa seemed far more likely to take Rooney's place in the team at that point.
 
sullydnl said:
Not to the extent that he saw him displacing either of Rooney or RvP. Rooney's falling out with SAF hardly proves that SAF saw Welbeck as a viable replacement either. Kagawa seemed far more likely to take Rooney's place in the team at that point.
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This. Fergie repeatedly insisted that Kagawa will be "a much better player next season".
 
Say Goodbye said:
I was just wondering if it's possible that we have a buyback clause in his contract that hasn't been reported? I'm still rather surprised that Van Gaal wouldn't have seen the value in his contribution, even if he wasn't going to get game time in his preferred position yet.
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I'd say there is no chance there is buy back clause. We wanted to sign Morata earlier in the season but walked away because R.Madrid insisted on a buy back clause.
 
What have we got here: level-headed, hard-working, always-fit young player with massive talent and a sense of loyalty. And you flogged him for 1.33 S(ch)Longs?
 
peterstorey said:
What have we got here: level-headed, hard-working, always-fit young player with massive talent and a sense of loyalty. And you flogged him for 1.33 S(ch)Longs?
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Woah, steady on there Pete.
 
peterstorey said:
I wouldn't be laffin' if I were you - that's about .57 Lukakus.
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Lukaku in the Prem -

Total55 (28)33goals 11 Assist
Welbeck in the prem -

Total87 (44)29goals 8 Assist

I was laughing at your trolling but if i want i can laugh at that as well ;)
 
Say Goodbye said:
I was just wondering if it's possible that we have a buyback clause in his contract that hasn't been reported? I'm still rather surprised that Van Gaal wouldn't have seen the value in his contribution, even if he wasn't going to get game time in his preferred position yet.

Anyway, good luck to Danny. He gives his all on the pitch and I don't blame him for wanting to get game time.
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But that's why he went because it just wasn't going to ever happen, if he was happy to be a squad player I firmly believe he'd still be here, not healthy to have an unhappy player, so right decision made.
 
BigDunc9 said:
Lukaku in the Prem -

Total55 (28)33goals 11 Assist
Welbeck in the prem -

Total87 (44)29goals 8 Assist

I was laughing at your trolling but if i want i can laugh at that as well ;)
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Rekt.
 
golden_blunder said:
my bone of contention has never been around his goalscoring anyway, which everyone seems hung up on. Falcao is not Welbeck's replacement as such, two completely different players.

I'm disappointed because of the different style that Danny has that could help us play different ways, stretching the play more with his strength, trickery, pace and runs down the channels. RVP and Falcao dont do this. They are out and out goalscorers.

I liken it to when Ruud was dropped in favour of Saha. United were instantly a more fluid team. Did it mean i think Saha is a better forward than Ruud? No. Ruud was one of the best goalscorers i've ever seen but because of his style we had become stagnant as a team. Saha gave us different ways of playing. Thats why i wanted Welbeck to stay. If we ever go 433, I dont see RVP and Falcao playing together. Welbeck could have been one of the options for those 3 places, especially with his pace. Rooney, RVP and Falcao arent exactly the quickest players.

So yeah, carry on knocking the lads goalscoring, (whilst he was generally played out of position). Carry on turning on the lad because he was basically told that he wasnt wanted and had to find an alternative club. Carry on turning on him because he chose to look after his own career (especially since he sees the effect change had for Sturridge).

Many of you are so fickle. Some of you cant tell what you've lost until you've lost it. Unfortunately I do think Arsenal will benefit from his style, even if he doesnt bang in 25 goals a season. Good luck to the lad. Once a red, always a red!


ps. Dont think that just because i defend the actions of Welbeck that somehow makes it that i dont support Falcao. Im excited as the next person to have a genuine world class striker!
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I just feel dissapointed that we've put up with Welbeck 'growing pain' while he's still developing, and just right before we reap the result, we let other team to benefit.

Meanwhile, I totally understand the club (and Welbeck) decision, though. And hoping he'll make it at Arsenal, then come back to us in the future.
 
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Pointless nubers
BigDunc9 said:
Lukaku in the Prem -

Total55 (28)33goals 11 Assist
Welbeck in the prem -

Total87 (44)29goals 8 Assist

I was laughing at your trolling but if i want i can laugh at that as well ;)
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I wouldn't pay that much mind, let's see who scores the most for Arsenal/Everton this year.
 
peterstorey said:
Pointless nubers
I wouldn't pay that much mind, let's see who scores the most for Arsenal/Everton this year.
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The price was steep but most of it is recoupable anyway, If Welbeck scores more it is because he has 2 of the best playmakers in the league behind him.
 
BigDunc9 said:
Lukaku in the Prem -

Total55 (28)33goals 11 Assist
Welbeck in the prem -

Total87 (44)29goals 8 Assist

I was laughing at your trolling but if i want i can laugh at that as well ;)
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I´m sorry, but what is this statistic supposed to tell us? If you want to compare stats, then do it on a fair basis. You have on one hand a striker, who played all his games bar four in his natural position. On the other hand is a player, who played more than half of his games either on the wing or behind the main striker. If I take a closer look at Welbeck´s stat the one thing that really stands is that there is a severe difference in productivity between him as a center forward or outside of it, especially in terms of goals.

Furthermore Welbeck´s productivity has grown in the last season, when he scored nine goals and three assists as CF in a little over 900 minutes. In a highly dysfunctional team he was one of the very few players who you could not really fault last season.

When I first heard about this transfer, I genuinely thought it was a joke. I mean it is one thing if your coach decides, that he does not trust him with a significant role in his best position and he decides to move on. But why in the world would you sell him to the direct competition, which might be the closest for you to overcome? Arsenal was lacking in the striker department in the first place and basically screwed with Giroud being out injured for months. You basically handed them a life line: a striker, who has shown to be productive if given a run of games and who fits their play style. For only 20 Mil. € I might add, which is in the overheated striker market and for a transfer inside the PL not a huge amount of money.

I don´t even want to imagine the meltdown this place would go through if Welbeck, a genuine homegrown player, becomes a deciding factor in Arsenal finishing top 4 and you miss out on the CL again, which would be nothing short of a desaster given the huge amount of money you threw on the transfer market this Summer.

I just don´t get it.
 
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@Sphaero Your saying about Welbeck playing out wide but Lukakus best performances at Everton have probably come from the right wing role. All in all we probably over paid slighty for Lukaku and Arsenal probably underpaid for Welbeck.
 
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Red Shorts said:
Will he be able to keep Giroud out of the team once he returns from injury is something I've been thinking about.
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Probably depends on how he performs between now and then. I should imagine Welbeck will be used in the the big games though because of his work rate and counter attacking ability.
 
BigDunc9 said:
@Sphaero Your saying about Welbeck not playing out wide but Lukakus best performances at Everton have probably come from the right wing role. All in all we probably over paid slight for Lukaku and Arsenal probably underpaid for Welbeck.
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I'd say both those statements are wrong.
 
Rykker_4united said:
I'd say both those statements are wrong.
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Really ? 28 million is probably about 4 million to much for Lukaku in my eyes. Might not be much but it is for Everton. Overall though i am not bothered in the slightest because it gets us on the top striker merry go round for years. Once Lukaku goes we get the funds in to get a top replacement and so on. Until we sign a Soldado that is.
 
Mister_Stubbs said:
This thread is like a continuous loop.
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It's why it needs to be locked. I was happy to be threadbanned, but now it's clear some mod has set out to toy with my emotions and has unbanned me

This thread will pretty much be pinned to the top of the forum for the entire season if drastic action isn't done now. Show some balls mods and lock the thread. Sick of hearing about Welbeck and the amazing ability he's gained since we sold him!
 
BigDunc9 said:
Really ? 28 million is probably about 4 million to much for Lukaku in my eyes. Might not be much but it is for Everton. Overall though i am not bothered in the slightest because it gets us on the top striker merry go round for years. Once Lukaku goes we get the funds in to get a top replacement and so on. Until we sign a Soldado that is.
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When you're spending 10's of millions on player contracts, is 4 million really a big deal?
 
BigDunc9 said:
Lukaku in the Prem -

Total55 (28)33goals 11 Assist
Welbeck in the prem -

Total87 (44)29goals 8 Assist

I was laughing at your trolling but if i want i can laugh at that as well ;)
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Where did you get those figures from?

Danny Welbeck hasn't scored 29 goals in the prem.

He hasn't scored 29 league goals in his entire career let alone in the premiership.
 
golazo said:
I hate it, yet I can't look away. It's 56 pages of posts that could have been made on other topics. It's getting more attention than the thread about the person who's replacing him and Chicharito
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Of course it is. Welbecks a player lots of us have an affinity for. I literally don't care about Falcao at all.
 
peterstorey said:
What have we got here: level-headed, hard-working, always-fit young player with massive talent and a sense of loyalty. And you flogged him for 1.33 S(ch)Longs?
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While I do think you've got a good deal and that Welbeck will be a fine player for you (if probably never "top banana", as you like to call it) - he isn't excactly always fit.

You'll find out for yourself.
 
golazo said:
He's just a former player, like many others that have left us this summer or the past. Falcao is a Manchester United player, why would you not care about him?
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Not all sense of community has been lost at United pal. He isn't just a former player. He's a Longsight lad and a red and he was at the club since he was a nipper. Falcao is a hired gun who would probably be at Real tomorrow if he could swing it. Care about him? All I care about is that he remains fit enough to score goals but I have no affinity for the man in a way that you can with one of your own. I'm glad for Welbeck that he's gone somewhere where he might get more of a chance and would like to see him do well wherever he goes.

If you don't understand any of that then you're missing a big part of the United story especially for folk who are local. This club remains a local football club for some and an integral part of peoples lives and community despite all its attempts to be otherwise.
 
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