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Danny Welbeck | Arsenal player
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4 weeks ago, I would have said it was a massive mistake to let Welbeck go.
However, signing Di Maria and Falcao means he is never going to play. You wouldn't pick him regularly over Rooney, RVP and Falcao. If we're playing 4231, Rooney, Mata, Januzaj, Di Maria would all be better options in a 3 behind the main striker.
The strange thing about him going Arsenal is he doesn't solve their main problem which is simply their lack of a 25/30 goal a season striker.
However, signing Di Maria and Falcao means he is never going to play. You wouldn't pick him regularly over Rooney, RVP and Falcao. If we're playing 4231, Rooney, Mata, Januzaj, Di Maria would all be better options in a 3 behind the main striker.
The strange thing about him going Arsenal is he doesn't solve their main problem which is simply their lack of a 25/30 goal a season striker.
I can easily see him become the next great England striker and superstar within the next year while Rooney begins his decline. Arsenal can easily be the team where he is not only the first/second choice, but also fits him well in all regards. Another massive talent just kicked out because we have to make space for those "superstars"....
What other massive talent was kicked out? And I wouldn't even call Welbeck massive talent. A lot of you are overreacting to a stupid degree.
I'm happy that we've bought a few superstars, as the team clearly needed it.
We will see when he becomes top scorer in the EPL and Arsenal.
He scores 2 goals against Switzerland (one off his shin) and all of a sudden we've sold Pele.
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He scores 2 goals against Switzerland (one off his shin) and all of a sudden we've sold Pele.
Love this place.
PLAYED OUT WIDE!
1 goal per 160 mins!
Every time one of these phrases is spouted take a shot.
Even if he did finish top scorer, it wouldn't bother me too much. He didn't do the business at United when given chances. That's all that concerns me.
If United start playing as a team again and Falcao stays fit, I fully expect him to score more than RVP in his first season here. That's not even taking into account what Rooney and RVP will offer when up to scratch. I'd say Arsenal are far more concerned about all of that, regardless of Danny's goals last night for England. Meanwhile United fans are crying over a squad player leaving.
Welbeck is the best i've seen at doing that, better than Tevez and he was like a little terrier snapping at heels
gah! But he did! unless you call being played out of position being given a chance
Falc and RVP are as injury prone as anyone can be and will probably be injured for most of the season which means Rooney has to do the business alone. Can't imagine Di Maria being the right player in EPL as he lacks strenght and the roughness to play in England and if then Mata is sold we are on deep water... Just can't see how things can work out:/
Bizarre post, but carry on.
Falcao is injury prone? Has he been injured often before this one single long term lay off?
Yea more wrong than right in those few lines.
Here have a hysterical Daily Mail article to fan the flames even more...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...gland-new-look-three-against-Switzerland.html
Judging by the comments we've now even got Arsenal fans taking credit for the goals last night due to their superior training system despite the fact he hasn't even trained with them yet.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...gland-new-look-three-against-Switzerland.html
Judging by the comments we've now even got Arsenal fans taking credit for the goals last night due to their superior training system despite the fact he hasn't even trained with them yet.
Haha.
Jamie Redknapp saying Arsenal have a bargain. I love the media right now. Not a positive view given on any aspect of the current running of the club from Falcao's age to Di Maria favouring PSG to the need to bring 7-8 world class players to switching to the fall-out to England young players which actually doing that does...laughable. But then the English media always were.....just look at the national team and there reporting on it since 66!
my bone of contention has never been around his goalscoring anyway, which everyone seems hung up on. Falcao is not Welbeck's replacement as such, two completely different players.
I'm disappointed because of the different style that Danny has that could help us play different ways, stretching the play more with his strength, trickery, pace and runs down the channels. RVP and Falcao dont do this. They are out and out goalscorers.
I liken it to when Ruud was dropped in favour of Saha. United were instantly a more fluid team. Did it mean i think Saha is a better forward than Ruud? No. Ruud was one of the best goalscorers i've ever seen but because of his style we had become stagnant as a team. Saha gave us different ways of playing. Thats why i wanted Welbeck to stay. If we ever go 433, I dont see RVP and Falcao playing together. Welbeck could have been one of the options for those 3 places, especially with his pace. Rooney, RVP and Falcao arent exactly the quickest players.
So yeah, carry on knocking the lads goalscoring, (whilst he was generally played out of position). Carry on turning on the lad because he was basically told that he wasnt wanted and had to find an alternative club. Carry on turning on him because he chose to look after his own career (especially since he sees the effect change had for Sturridge).
Many of you are so fickle. Some of you cant tell what you've lost until you've lost it. Unfortunately I do think Arsenal will benefit from his style, even if he doesnt bang in 25 goals a season. Good luck to the lad. Once a red, always a red!
ps. Dont think that just because i defend the actions of Welbeck that somehow makes it that i dont support Falcao. Im excited as the next person to have a genuine world class striker!
I'm disappointed because of the different style that Danny has that could help us play different ways, stretching the play more with his strength, trickery, pace and runs down the channels. RVP and Falcao dont do this. They are out and out goalscorers.
I liken it to when Ruud was dropped in favour of Saha. United were instantly a more fluid team. Did it mean i think Saha is a better forward than Ruud? No. Ruud was one of the best goalscorers i've ever seen but because of his style we had become stagnant as a team. Saha gave us different ways of playing. Thats why i wanted Welbeck to stay. If we ever go 433, I dont see RVP and Falcao playing together. Welbeck could have been one of the options for those 3 places, especially with his pace. Rooney, RVP and Falcao arent exactly the quickest players.
So yeah, carry on knocking the lads goalscoring, (whilst he was generally played out of position). Carry on turning on the lad because he was basically told that he wasnt wanted and had to find an alternative club. Carry on turning on him because he chose to look after his own career (especially since he sees the effect change had for Sturridge).
Many of you are so fickle. Some of you cant tell what you've lost until you've lost it. Unfortunately I do think Arsenal will benefit from his style, even if he doesnt bang in 25 goals a season. Good luck to the lad. Once a red, always a red!
ps. Dont think that just because i defend the actions of Welbeck that somehow makes it that i dont support Falcao. Im excited as the next person to have a genuine world class striker!
The problem with that argument is that many (including you from this post) think he should be played up front to bring his best, where he's not gonna provide any of that new dimension you speak of. The only advantage I see is his pace. His first goal yesterday, as far as I can see that's the only way he's useful that is providing a presence in the box on counters and that would render him basically not much more than a regular poacher. Anywhere else and he'd be "out of position" . There's not a way he'd be played up front at United, Falcao or no Falcao. We've seen enough evidence for that. So, if he's not gonna be played up front, and you don't think he can deliver from out wide or other positions, what's the solution?
Also, do we have a word from someone that it was us who forced him out? Maybe he didn't want to be fourth choice (just counting strikers) and pretty much out of contention if you add Mata and Di Maria in the list of players who can occupy attacking position. In Rooney, RvP, Falcao, Mata and Di maria there's 5 players who would absolutely always be preferred over Welbeck regardless of whatever this new dimension he brings in. So maybe it was him who preferred being at a club where he would get more chances?
The only issue I have with this deal is that we sold him to Arsenal, a club we could be competing with for the fourth place come march and april, but apart from that I don't see any reason why him leaving United is anything but beneficial for either party involved. I'm not from Manchester so perhaps I am missing the affection side of this him being a local boy but apart from that bias I honestly don't see how this move is not logical from either side.
Welbeck shins it in against Switzerland - lucky goal.
Rooney shins it in against City - greatest goal of his career. -_-
I doubt Arsenal cares how he scores those goals, as long as he bangs in double figures in PL. I'd prefer Sanogo (or whats his name) as striker in Arsenal over Welbeck. He wouldn't even secure them 6th spot...
Rooney shins it in against City - greatest goal of his career. -_-
I doubt Arsenal cares how he scores those goals, as long as he bangs in double figures in PL. I'd prefer Sanogo (or whats his name) as striker in Arsenal over Welbeck. He wouldn't even secure them 6th spot...
oh its completely logical from Arsenal's side. He fits them like a glove
Two goals against Switzerland and he's the new Henry. Fact.
Perfect post. Couldn't agree any more.
In a nutshell, guy wanted to start upfront but that wasn't going to happen. In the end it was a decent outcome for everyone involved.
Actually, I think he did a decent job as a 'winger', he stretched play. His problem was that people were getting on his back about lack of goals, unwilling to see past that. When he played centrally he actually did score.
I wouldn't go that far. While it's true he's going to complement their style in terms of technique, awareness and movement i I was an Arsenal fan I would have hoped to get a proper goalscorer who'd provide a constant presence in the box and is a good finisher. Neither are Welbeck's strong points. He has the tendency of roaming around, which is where he gives that extra you speak of, that is work rate, movement, etc and that would make Arsenal suffer from the same issue they have since a long time.
If I had to predict how he'd perform I'd say it won't be much different from how he was at United. Good in terms of link up and movement but frustrating with his final ball or shot.
Time will tell. I think he will score more than people think but he's not the reincarnation of Henry as some say. He's Danny Welbeck, and he has the potential to write his own name into fandom. Its all in his hands now.
I don't mind his lack of goals, it's not his job with the likes of Rooney and RvP in the team. Having said that, his final ball is still quite poor, specially when the defenders get time to get back. He can be good in performing 1-2s at times but as a wide player you need to beat players as well as look for the correct pass. And one thing that frustrated me a lot about him was the fact that he sometimes just ran blindly with the ball, not seeing an incoming challenge, not anticipating it by either passing it or trying to change his direction. I think he's lost possession a lot of times doing that.
Good post, he wasn't what they need at all, he fit's their Ethos of being able to play rather than just being a poacher, but IMO, their system caters so that their top man should be someone like Hernandez, who IMO, REALLY would have done well at Arsenal..
Danny been scoring goals for England long time. Yesterday doesnt all of a sudden make him a hitman and Arsenal's saviour.
Exactly. Where people are getting the impression that he's suddenly going to be this lethal striker, I don't know. He's the type that has always put away the goals you wouldn't expect him to and mess up the easier ones. I don't see that changing at Arsenal.
Even if we did start playing with wingers Di Maria and Januzaj are both superior to him in that position as well, so he would be third choice again. As they say jack of all trades master of none.
Most United fans used to knock him even before his move, his game has a lot of flaws, just because he has left hasn't changed anything.
It already changed at United, though. How many times do people have to keep pointing this out?
Last season, he converted a higher % of chances than any other Manchester United striker. For some reason, because he missed one decent CL chance (no different to RvP and Rooney in this regard) everyone has decided that his finishing couldn't possibly have improved. It's strange. Especially when you consider he's almost exactly the same age Rooney was when he went from really hit and miss in front of goal to one of the better finishers in the league.
If Welbeck is your standard of a top class striker, You're very easily pleased.
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