Yeah, goals are overrated anyway. Running is all that matters.
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Yeah, goals are overrated anyway. Running is all that matters.
Well, a run which resulted with a winning goal (against Barca) in the Cup final is compared with a run which resulted in a corner against QPR.
Don't you think that is slightly ridiculous? Even if we ignore the actual finishing (which would be batshit crazy to do), the runs are very different. For example, Bale puts himself in a very good position to score and shoots when he is almost on the six yard square, while Welbeck goes wide and puts himself in a position that most likely you're going to miss. Or the acceleration of Bale (when he puts the ball like 15 yards ahead of him and Bartra is much nearer) is far more impressive than Welbeck's.
It is like comparing Rooney's overkick goal vs City with someone who attempted an overkick but the ball went on Row Z.
Well not really, it was comparing the run, not comparing finishes. An overhead kick is the latter. It's a deliberate misreading to take from that "people are saying Welbeck is as good as Bale lolz".
If Welbeck had done it, he'd get top marks for the athleticism and technique that went in to the fluffed shot.
And for the never dying attitude of trying to score from the impossoble position or so. This thread is far worse than Kagawa thread ever was. Ridiculous.
If all Welbeck offers is making runs, well we have a superior player in our team in that aspect. Valencia is faster than Welbeck and makes some great runs at times. They can even finish with something better than a corner (well, the penalty against you lot a couple of years ago). So, put Valencia for the speed on the team and we're great to go.
Are you lot still arguing amongst yourselves about how great Welbeck isn't?
I keep mentioning Mata because its a similar case, both were fan favourites except Mata played a key role in them winning the UCL and European League during his time there. Whereas Welbeck had "potential".
You clearly dont rate Falcao and think Welbeck is the better option but i just cant understand that. Sure hes not started his United career brilliantly hes still a proven goal scorer that is more likely to pay off then insisting with Welbeck.
And by strong finish i meant challenge for the title.
No, now people are claiming hes the type of striker we are missing
That's not true. I rate Falcao as world classs player, he proved that at other clubs he has been at, but he hasn't proved that at United. Just because he was world class somewhere else doesn't mean he'll be that here and doesn't mean he should live on past times. From what I have seen from Falcao in United shirt, he definitely doesn't look like one, but let's wait end of season and see.
Challenging for the tittle is a big task in this situation, we aren't playing good football apart from the odd games, and we are already 10 points behind the leader. If Falcao helps us challenge for the tittle and winning it, then fair enough, I'll agree that he was good buy, but if he continues second half of the season like he played the first half, then there is no way that we did the right thing to bring him here. As I said many times, he is brought here because he is proven goalscorer, van Gaal said his goals were main reason why he brought him, and everyone here agreed, and van Gaal also said main reason why Welbeck is sold is because he doesn't score enough goals, so it's really clear as a day how will Falcao be judged. Considering their reputations and expectations, Falcao should be easily scoring 10 goals in PL more than Welbeck. That's actually pretty fair on him because he shouldn't be judged on his all around play considering it isn't his strongest aspect.
Who doesn't even need to score, just make runs. Runs like Bale.
Welbeck showed once again that he has the potential, but not the application. Welbeck can do those type of Bale-esque power runs, his lack of composure showed at the end despite being a somewhat good attempt. And that difference is what is keeping him at his current level.
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Pathetic isnt it? "Hey he runs like Bale, he has to be good". A bit like those Golf ads a few years back "If you listen careful enough it sounds just like a Golf"
Jokes aside i can understand arguments that midfielders don't need to have amazing assist/goal stats because they may do other things well like control the tempo, keep the ball ticking over or protect the back four but with strikers and wingers they tend to be pretty conclusive. Compare any top strikers record to Heskey and you'll see what i mean
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It was pretty much the best shot you could pull from that situation, the keeper did well.
Yea, perhaps. I taught he could have taken the ball a bit further into the box then take the shot, but their was the chance the second defender could have stopped his attempt. So, maybe that was why he took the shot a bit early. Nevertheless, it was a hard angle to score from when all is said and done.
Should have run across the defender's path and shot right-footed.
I agree. We're far worse having two world class strikers, rather than an average striker who scores the odd goal every now and then.
I think we should sign up Usain Bolt. OK, I've never actually seen him play, but by God he's fast.
We really wouldn't be definitely much better. Falcao is coming back from injury and has had a hand in quite a few goals already, between scoring and assisting. He's a far better player, even if I'm still unsure if we should shell out what it will cost to bring him here permanently.
This is one of the most ridiculous posts I've ever read. Van Persie has terrible movement? Jesus. Yeah, we'd be just as well off with Grant Holt as Van Persie.
Honest to good God. What is it with Welbeck that causes people to want to rip into actual world class, star players that play for the team they supposedly support?
This is what bothers me the most about the Welbeck transfer. It's mental. I've never seen such a bizarre reaction to a transfer in my life.
Do Chelsea fans constantly badger on about selling De Bruyne, Mata and Lukaku anytime they have a good game? De Bruyne looks absolute class for Wolfsburg but I doubt it causes their fans to have a full on spazz attack anytime he plays well. Clubs sell players, even homegrown ones, it happens. LvG didn't fancy Welbeck and I fully respect his decision to sell him. Welbeck has done nothing since joining Arsenal to make me think it looks a bad decision. We probably shouldn't have sold him to a rival but such is life.
I guess if we were running away with the league or playing convincingly like Chelsea are, no one would really mention Welbeck all that often. LvG is in his first season and I have no doubt that we will see a much improved cohesive team for next season. Hopefully we are challenging next season and it will stop all the Welbeck revisionism. He would have been a useful squad player to have but he clearly wasn't happy with that role and I don't really blame him as he is 24 now and not a youngster / prospect anymore. He's already been shunted out wide for the crap (according to the Caf) Giroud, which says it all really.
It's ok to like Welbeck and say we should have kept him but I'm surprised at how many on here that got sucked into the ABU media nonsense about "selling our soul". That was purely driven by the media as a direct dig at the club, yet so many on here took the bait and used it as a stick to beat the club, LvG, RvP, Rooney and Falcao with. If someone likes him more than the club, than it's bizarre but their perogative. Just don't try to make others believe that he's the next Henry, skew stats to make him look better or lambaste our current players; that's what seriously grinds by gears.
I watched Welbeck here for long enough to know that he isn't a top level striker and he misses too many chances which makes him unreliable and that could be costly. Out wide, he's useful and works extremely hard but his productivity is nowhere near good enough. It's a shame that it didn't really work out for him here, but he's gone now and people should just get over it and move on.
It does seem people on here are a bit more sensitive than the real world. You only have to look at all the Moyes posts up till about a month ago!
I'm with you Welbeck isnt a top quality striker and if we want to get to the top strikers like him arent going to get us there. Unless people here want us to drop to Asnls level and just get in the top 4 every season
I believe you are trying to rise to Arsenal's level and get into the top 4?
He's a striker who can't score and can't manage to stay on his feet. Love Welbz always will, great player in games where his team is the underdogs due to his pace and strength, but nowhere near as good as people on here make him out to be. Sturridge is a good example of a player who took the next level, Welbeck hasn't.
He's done a good job for us, helping keep us top 4 fringe. Big crowd favourite with his attitude and effort - he doesn't need much more to really hit them straps.
Tevez only scored 14 goals in 2007/08. But he worked hard from the front, linked play well and created space for the more accomplished goalscorers in the side (Rooney and Ronaldo). Welbeck does the same thing for Sanchez. If you can't see the way he stretches the play and puts whole defences on the back foot, I'm not sure what more can be said. This isn't Moneyball. Football is a team game that's more complicated than the numbers.
Yep, and letting tevez go was absolutely 100% the correct decision, as was letting welbeck go.
I also like Dan cos he (like me) looks well gutted when he misses a chance, unlike those wankers who seem to think it's a bit of a laff.
Fergie wanted to keep Tevez.
Having players of this type is not a bad thing from a footballing point of view, even if some fans aren't able to see how they benefit the side. Mark Hughes was another one. Quality players at the top of the pitch who aren't prolific but a lot more than just cloggers.
The Emile Heskey excuse.
These reasons would make sense if Welbecks assist record wasn't so bad and it's not as if Rooney and RVP struggled for goals when Welbeck didn't play. We'll see how many goals Sanchez scores with one paced Giroud partners Sanchez, I can almost guarentee there won't be a drop off but that's personal opinion.
Welbecks pace gets far too much credit, he rarely uses it effectively
Emile Heskey is nothing like Welbeck. Do you watch football?
Fergie wanted to sign him at a certain price, not the price they wanted for him, and he viewed him as an impact player. He made the completely correct decision, as I said.
He never said he was? Sure that's like people saying that Welbeck isn't like Bale, because of some weird comparison. At least I hope he wasn't comparing them as footballers.
Tevez was a regular in one of the greatest sides of the last 20 years. There's a place for players who fulfill that role as long as they bring quality to the things that they do. Unlike Heskey, Welbeck is excellent at most of the things he does. He just doesn't get into the box enough... but as long as Sanchez does so, it's all academic.
Sorry, mate. That was a bit of a wummy thing to say. I've been off work over the Christmas break and I'm a bit high right now.
I watch enaugh to spot fanboi-ism a mile away.
During Owens' peak for England, Heskey was clogging it up front along side him, and all you heard his sympathisers claiming Owen wouldn't score as much as he would without Heskey doing all that great unseen, un goalscoring, lack of football talent up front. Oh Heskey was a valuable clog to England's attack, the rest of us couldn't see it. That's what I'm seeing with Danny.
2 quality players up front with good movement and understanding is better than one player relying on pace. You can sacrifice pace as long as his replacement isn't slow. Pace is far too overrated these days, gimme a player a tad slower but with more composure and you'll have a better player to choose from.
If Sanchez had a partner that scored a bit more goals but took a few off him, Arsenal would be better off for it. A wider variety of goal scorers. It's not as if Arsenals attack have been all that impressive this season anyway
Ahh, forget it.
Don't worry about it lol, People back in the day fell out over politics and religion.
These days it's Danny Welbeck
No, stop it. Go back to fighting. I'm heating up popcorn as we speak.
The fact that Van Persie is slowly getting worse make you think he is not that much worse than when he arrived but the gap is quite big since his Fergie season but people like you don't realize this, as they don't mind that the so called world class player can have slow start to the season of let's say 12 poor matches, than play two good games and he is suddenly back even he is not - the problem is that his poorest standard the first united season is now one of his best performances ALMOST, People lower their expectations mostly non ambitious. The sooner you get it the better for you. And I used Welbeck as an example of a striker who should we definitely have if we want to succeed on top level of course with better goal scoring record but the movement/workrate wise, PHILOSOPHY-wise, one different striker is defo needed... I don't say Van Persie is garbage, I just think that there are many better strikers than him who can score goals and be much more handy to the team, and the team always wins not individuals. Please read my comments again carefully and THINK of it or don't comment back as your initial reaction seemed ridiculous to me
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