Danny Welbeck | Arsenal player
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Was pretty much a replica of Bale's run against Barca in the Copa del Rey final, except without the finish.
No it wasn't. He doesn't have the pace or strength Bale showed in his run. The only similarity is that they ran the same path on the pitch.
Bale's run was far more impressive.
We wouldn't even need him to finish, just stretch the opposition in their half which we can't seem to do without Di Maria or Rooney playing further up.
He took it on the wing, and then for the last burst pushed the ball past the CB and accelerated past him from a wider position before taking a shot from an acute angle. It was very similar.
We keep playing with 2 very similar strikers up front in RvP and Falcao. For the sake of variety alone, he would have been worth keeping. The point of having a pair of strikers on the pitch at once is to give opposition defenders something to think about. That's not happening at the moment.
It was similar in that they ran the same path and beat a player or two but Bale's run was far more impressive. There's only a handful of other footballers in the world capable of a run like that and Welbeck isn't one of them.
He's definitely capable of the run, if not necessarily the finish. Welbeck's touch, pace and strength is no worse than Bale's imo.
To be fair, Welbeck would be pretty useful if you needed someone to run to the shops for some ciggies if it was closing in 2 mins.
Bale uses a bit of strengh on Bartra when he first runs past but I'd say those are pretty similar runs.
Oh Danny is very fast, no doubt. Bale is other worldly though.
They look similar yeah but surely just by watching you can acknowledge how impressive Bale's is, no? Danny's run certainly didn't give me the "Holy shit!" I got when I first saw Bale's.
Actually, Bale doesn't even dribble. He just knocks it on and outsprints Bartra - something that Welbeck has done numerous times in games (sans the finish, to be fair).
Danny's control is really impressive there.
Danny's control is really impressive there.
Well, crucially, Bale scored.
I agree, he is. I just don't know how, especially with those ears and that Alice band. Imagine how fast he would be if he didn't have the wind resistance from those ears?
Nah my reaction was to the sheer speed and power he showed, not the finish.
I'm not saying Danny's isn't impressive, it is, and I agree with Dante that we could use someone like that right now, I just disagree that it's as replica of (i.e. as impressive as) Bale's. He's not as quick or powerful as him.
I can't remember what game it was in the league where he had a very impressive run and show of skill that ended up with him fluffing the chance in the end. It was just as impressive as Bale's run
Much of a muchness to me, they both used great pace to beat the CB despite starting behind. I also think Bartra did a shittier job.
Welbeck's pace is evident here (from 50 seconds on). Bale is a much better finisher, so his runs are often more significant.
Today, about 70mins into the Spuds game, our forwards looking jaded/misfiring... I sat there and thought... if we still had Welbeck and he would be available at this very minute from off the bench, would I have any faith in bringing him on for the chance of him pinching a goal, the answer was.... no.
Edit, also on the pace to get inbehind lacking from our team, thats true to an extent but I also think we lack the players to spot runs inbehind, so often our midfield fail to see RvPs little runs before its too late.
Di Maria was hitting a fair number of deft balls over and behind the backline in his first few games for us, spotting RvP's runs early when being played through the middle but other than that it's been a bit disappointing.
Edit, also on the pace to get inbehind lacking from our team, thats true to an extent but I also think we lack the players to spot runs inbehind, so often our midfield fail to see RvPs little runs before its too late.
Di Maria was hitting a fair number of deft balls over and behind the backline in his first few games for us, spotting RvP's runs early when being played through the middle but other than that it's been a bit disappointing.
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Carrick, Rooney and Mata all played numerous through balls, both against Spurs and in the previous game against Newcastle. The passes were definitely there, but it takes two to tango. RvP's runs need to be quick enough to get away from the defenders marking him.
Thing is RvP isn't quick at all but he's so clever in the way he peels off of defenders, making a yard of space where there shouldn't be, with Arsenal when i watched Alex Song play with RvP, he'd constantly spot his runs and sling the ball as quickly as he could.
I think Sir Alex said in his one and only season with RVP we weren't reading his movement as well as we could have been, I still think it's a bit of an issue, not just for RvP but in general for our play,
I obviously believe as well we could do with a speedster if we bring in another forward over Falcao this summer to potentially stretch a defence, but yea I think the issue is almost twofold.
I think Sir Alex said in his one and only season with RVP we weren't reading his movement as well as we could have been, I still think it's a bit of an issue, not just for RvP but in general for our play,
I obviously believe as well we could do with a speedster if we bring in another forward over Falcao this summer to potentially stretch a defence, but yea I think the issue is almost twofold.
I thought we could have done with Hernandez today and not Welbeck.
I don't ever see Welbeck as a 20 goal a season striker, but he was a good player for us and you could never fault the effort he put in.
Having said that, I can't believe people are still going on about us selling him. Go ask any fan of any club in world football who'd they rather have, Falcao or Welbeck and I'd imagine the poll would be 98% in Falcao's favour.
Having said that, I can't believe people are still going on about us selling him. Go ask any fan of any club in world football who'd they rather have, Falcao or Welbeck and I'd imagine the poll would be 98% in Falcao's favour.
Do you not remember all the through balls that Mata played or the balls over the top that Carrick and Rooney put in? RvP's runs were being spotted. It's just that they were being defended and/or his finishing let him down.
Falcao might be a better player than Welbeck, but that doesn't mean his partnership with RvP is better. It's a Gerrard+Lampard situation right now. Our two up top are too similar and it makes us more predictable for defenders than we need to be.
It's funny, I have plenty of United supporting mates and know plenty more; the common theme amongst them is that Welbeck is no great loss. It seems to be only a select few on here that build him up into a player that he simply isn't and act like selling him was a cardinal sin that will ruin the future of the club.
You're spot on about the Falcao point. Only on here would you hear people say they would rather have Welbeck than Falcao. If anyone on here had of said that last season, they would have been sent to the nut house.
It seems some can't grasp that Falcao is returning from an extremely serious injury. An injury that takes a long time to return from. He has proven his quality in several leagues and I have no doubt that we will see much better from him, the more playing time he gets.
Everyone was talking about how they have the potential to be a brilliant partnership after we beat Newcastle. I don't think they've really played together enough to really say it won't work.
I think a fit Di Maria would have ripped Spurs apart. But then again it's all ifs and buts. A 0-0 draw away at White Hart Lane isn't the worst result in the world. Yes a win would have been better and maybe it was deserved, but it's better than a loss. Overall I think United are in a fair position. We have dropped points where we shouldn't have, but we aren't good enough to win the league, this year.
Most United fans would have taken a top 3 or 4 finish this year, so we shouldn't be disappointed if that's all we get.
Our forwards + mata were wasteful today no question rather than there not being enough ammunition supplied to them, I dont however recall many half decent balls being tried over the top, other than the Rooney one? very early in the game which he failed to trap, maybe there were others and im cracking up.
James Wilson as another example has enough raw speed to offer a legitimate threat in-behind but again the few times he has played, i can't remember much at all where we've fed a ball him over the top.
Anyway, I'm in agreement that we could use a decent speedy threat brought in this summer, it's just i think we could also be better at picking out our forwards movement as well.
Also should we bring in a speedy striker, i'd like him to be a much, much more accomplished finisher to accompany that speed than Wéle
They're not zero sum alternatives. Falcao + RvP has the potential to be a partnership that gets on the scoresheet because both players know the route to goal... unfortunately the routes they know are almost exactly the same. Welbeck + RvP would be more of a handful to defend against purely because it gives the opposition more to think about. Even if Welbeck weren't the one scoring the goals, he'd make space for the likes of Rooney, Mata and RvP to get into the box.
If anything, we have too many goalscorers in the side already. A workhorse up front would be a good thing. I know that that's the kind of theory that the Caf tends to scoff at, but it's not like we're talking about Heskey here. Welbeck's game is excellent. He doesn't pop up in the box enough, but that doesn't mean he goes missing. He's constantly contributing at the sharp end of the pitch.
The last game featured several balls over the top. The point I was making was that we do have players who can spot runs in behind. The fact those passes weren't made isn't because our players can't see them. You could posit any theory you like to explain it, but I think it's shortsighted to say we lack personnel with the proper vision.
Fair enough but then I would have been thinking "shit, all we have is Welbeck on the bench, maybe we should try Evans up front...."
True that. Also the Barca goalkeeper panicked and got caught in a bad position. Adrian held his line well and closed down the near post.
Welbeck>>Bale
We all know it's true.
We all know it's true.
Fecks sake.
Only read the thread before seeing the chance. Didn't even know people were comparing a miss with a goal.This is such a typical Welbeck discussion. He has a good moment, gets compared to a world class player, and the odd fact that the quality player put his chance away whilst Welbeck puts his wide is glossed over, so everyone can admire how well he nearly did.
24-year-old nearly man, left for Arsenal, and still gets talked about as if he isn't a perpetual nearly man who is just steps away from blossoming into Thierry Henry.
The allowances that boy still gets.
That's a rubbish post @B20, no one here has said he's anywhere near Bale and the fact he doesn't score has been pointed out numerous times. You Scousers are losing your mind.
Have to say this Welbeck love-in is getting a big boring. He's gone, very happy at Arsenal probably and I reckon has no regrets about leaving United....it seems like it was pretty mutual. He's hardly a top world class striker, which is the postion he wants to play and sees himself as. Talented no doubt, but hardly worth continually barking on about...
Judging by this thread Van Gaal should be putting a bid in for Andres Townsend next week. I didnt realise the sheer value of pace and the ability to stretch a defence with a try-hard attitude.
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