Henry went to Asnl when he was 22/23 and he scored 26 goals in his first season with them. He was never a poor finisher, he just never got a chance to get into the box that often given in his Monaco and Juve days he was a winger. At 21 Henry and Ronaldo were far more accomplished as finishers than Welbeck. And i'd go as far as saying most strikers at 24 had shown more than Welbeck has
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He scores when he wants, Danny Welbeck, he scores when he wants. 
Not a very sporting player then.He scores when he wants, Danny Welbeck, he scores when he wants.
He'll score about 25 goals this season.
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Seriously, though, those are the type of positions he needs to be getting in if he wants to score more. Poachers goal.
He scores one goal and some of you seem to think we sold Pele.
Let it go ffs.
Let it go ffs.
As a United fan, I don't want him or any Arsenal player to score more. We need to secure the top 4.
Taking the piss with 20+ predictions that happened here after his hat-trick.
No. I'm to lazy to write it.
He won't get the game time as a strike to get that many. He's on 7 now, 4 in 18 in the prem so I'm not sure that he will barely be getting 15, which is better than any season at UNited.
EDIT Goddamn laziness!
Yes it is. You're saying that age, something we tend to group all players by, is irrelevant and we should not use it at all. Going by this logic should we put Welbeck with the U21s because he developed physically a lot later? You speak about how Welbeck drastically grew by the time he was 21 which has caused him to shift his center of gravity and therefore requires more time as he's still developing how to deal with that late growth spurt. I would counter that this increase in height is not as drastic as you are making out (as i mentioned in my previous post) but that if any player by 24 is still developing i don't think they will ever be very good.
I say that because as a youngster you learn how to play football at the pace top flight footballers play at, the players who make it had shown that quickness in thought and ability. As they grow it then becomes second nature and is natural. If a player at 24 is still trying to come to grips with any of the fundamentals as a player he wont be able to do it because asking a kid to learn something is a lot quicker/easier than getting someone who's older try and fight his natural instincts to do it. A few seasons ago people commented on how Anderson wasnt very natural when he was shaping up to pass but people said it was something he could learn, regardless he didnt and i dont think Welbeck will ever gain that composure to become a great finisher.
But hey, thats just my two cents!
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FFS get a grip man. The vine was a joke, I've never rated Welbeck nor do I want him to do well as long as he plays for a rival team. Stop taking everything posted in this thread seriously.
I've not said it's irrelevant. I've said it's an indicator rather than an absolute. Welbeck is 24-going-on-21 in terms of his development. Fergie alluded to as much and it's clear to see from the way he plays.
Persisting with Welbeck in the team has cost us on m
Henry started as a promising striker, was shoved out wide by Wenger, who then sold him to Juve.
Wenger then brought him back, played him out wide, before putting him back through the middle.
It's a a modern myth that this average winger was turned into one of the best strikers in the world by Wenger
What actually happened was he who turnd him into the average winger in the first place.
We should have kept him. He seems to score, when Falcao or RVP play shit.
He won't get the game time as a strike to get that many. He's on 7 now, 4 in 18 in the prem so I'm not sure that he will barely be getting 15, which is better than any season at UNited.
EDIT Goddamn laziness!
So we should have kept him cause he scored in the same day when we didnt. Although RVP scored some goals when Welbeck didnt...
But what i'm saying is that's hardly an endorsement that he'll become a great finisher because he's still learning. I maintain that at 24 a player should have all the tools ready to tune if they want to go on and be a top top player. If they are in a position where they are still learning those skills they are hardly going to get any better, sure they may improve slightly but I don't think they'll get to the level strikers who have shown they can finish at that age will become.
It was a joke
Looking at the season as a whole so far there's absolutely no doubt in my mind we'd have more points with Welbeck in our squad this season.
Arsenal would have a lot less points too. You can bet your arse they'll be our closest rivals for a top four slot too.
So basically, the move has turned out a bad one for us already. And he's still a long way short of his peak. FFS.
Arsenal would have a lot less points too. You can bet your arse they'll be our closest rivals for a top four slot too.
So basically, the move has turned out a bad one for us already. And he's still a long way short of his peak. FFS.
Not by that much to be honest. He's scored 4 league goals for them: he's hardly ripping the league apart, and you'd imagine they may have made a move for someone else if they knew they couldn't get him. If not now, they'd have done it in January. When you consider we got a respectable amount of money for him, I don't think it was too bad a deal.
If you think he'll start when Giroud, Ozil and Walcott are available i have news for you.
And he has got them another 3 points. Also denying me an arsenalfan tv meltdown. Ffs
Should have kept him or sold him elsewhere
Should have kept him or sold him elsewhere
In what parallel universe have they been available for selection all season?
So far he's started every game when fit. Remains to be seen if that ever changes.
The timing of the move meant there was no chance of an alternative in the summer.
What on earth are you talking about?
Wenger left Monaco in September of 1994. Henry was sold to Juventus in January 1999. Henry played 8 matches in 94/95, as a 17 year old. Wenger, again, left in September, so how many of these eight matches did he even play Henry for?
Do you just make shit up and expect not to get called on it?
Selling him to Arsenal was stupid no matter how much he wanted to go there. Strengthening a direct rival is a mistake.
Could've been possible though that had we kept Welbeck and not went in for Falcao, they would've went for him instead. I still think we were fairly wise to sell: a season on the bench would've brought his transfer fee down a lot further, which would've possibly been his fate if we had also signed Falcao, although I imagine LVG expected we'd be selling Welbeck once he was going to buy the latter.
Because its not too far of from happening is it? As soon as Giroud was fit he went up top, I find it hard to believe Danny Welbeck would keep Ozil out of the team when hes fit. Which will move him to the right side. I personally think Ox and Theo are far more effective there so i can see him dropped out and used as a backup.
You say you could see us with more points had he stayed but really? Hes got 4 goals so far in the league having started all games for Asnl, sufficient to say this rich vein of goal scoring has come about because hes played a lot of minutes. At United i see a Wilson type role where I personally doubt would have yielded in any goals. The only part of this whole transfer you can argue is we have strengthened a rival but if hes not a player we need why should we care so much? Do Chelsea regret selling us Mata? Also IMO Falcao is a superior player, had Asnl gone for him and we held on to Welbeck i think that would have been more strengthening a rival.
That logic/ claiming he's been a good signing for us only works if the alternative was signing no-one. It shouldn't have been, and Welbeck hasn't looked close to good enough so far.
Admittedly he's in poor form at the moment, but there's been nothing to suggest he's capable of reaching the level we need him to.
4 league goals is pretty poor return for a team like Arsenal. Giroud has 5 and he's missed 3 months.
I might of got my dates mixed up.
I might also have had too much to drink today.
He was however a striker that was moved out wide by Wenger at Monoco- even his Wikipedia page says this.
He was also played out wide by wenger at arsenal- despite being a promising striker.
He was never a "winger" he was always a striker forced out wide, and under performing when he did so.
It's doesnt a genius to take a player, play him out of position then put him back again when it doesn't work.
I thought Wenger was a Monaco longer than he actually was- hence the confusion with the dates.
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scored winner today unlike our top star strikers who couldn't convert one of the dozen brilliant chances. His overall game is much better than any of our strikers he would give us the balance what van Gaal is often talking about. He would be perfect as second striker for this game and the games before where we lacked pace and agility in attack, someone who stretch the opposition and run with the ball. Wilson doesn't seem as ready as we thought which is shame, that is what makes me angry, we could have used welbeck a lot this season but maybe not as van persie was always licking van gaals balls which is obviously one of the reason he starts games. Two good games and people are like HE IS BACK trust me. He will never be back his absolute lack of stamina and athleticism drives me really crazy same with Mata who is maybe the slowest player player with Blind and Carrick in the league.. One does not simply end up with strikers like Suarez Aguero or Costa, but we certainly lack speed in the side. Players like welbeck would provide it ..
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Had a decent game today did Welbeck. Still on target to hit his usual league goals tally.
Had a decent game today did Welbeck. Still on target to hit his usual league goals tally.
So Welbeck rarely provided us with any of that you just mentioned and when he did it was either down a blind alley or being dispossessed, yet you believe he would have done it after he left?
I get it, some here wanted him to succeed and so did I but lets not rewrite history and make him seem like a striker we've been missing this season.
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