He's more of a support striker than a scorer. Even in the season he started up front he tended to drop deep and assist rather than score.
Danny Welbeck | Arsenal player
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He's a faster, and stronger, Marouane Chamakh.
He's not nothing, he cost Arsenal 16m pounds
Should get a few more chances centrally with Giroud facing a 3 match ban.
He wouldn't be out injured for weeks with a virus or knock. Work horse with skill and good football brain. Finishing is not good but is an excellent player.
Was devastated when he left but in regards to what we have performing now, I am really not bothered anymore.
I've said it many times in this thread but watching him leave was hard because all (bar none) wanted him desperately to succeed here, being the only youth prospect that we thought might emulate the spirit of 92. BUT LvG imo made the right call in who he got rid of at the club, very much trimming the fat.
Hes a alright player but not one that would take us back to the top
That's like saying for someone 'he's a great midfielder, but just that he's a bit shit when it comes to passing', or for a goalkeeper 'yeah, he's excellent, but he's not that good at shot stopping'.
'Finishing' is by far the most important attribute when it comes to a striker. You can't be an excellent striker, if you are a bad finisher. Welbeck is decent in his all round play, but a poor finisher, and so a poor striker (for a top club).
Where as Hernandez is an excellent finisher but can't do Link up play, so is he shit or good? I can't work it out? If finishing is the only thing a striker is judged by.
Danny has excellent all round game, his finishing lets him down, but he'll still get 15 goals plus per season if he gets regular games & will create an awful lot more. I don't believe anyone is saying he's a top class striker, but you're vastly under rating his contribution to a team.
He is still far better than Wilson this season. But he wouldn't fancy being 4th choice. Better off grooing another homegrown talent as well.
At Arsenal, I think he has somewhat improved himself. His possession play and passing have really caught my attention. But his finishing still needs polishing.
Wishing him luck. If he make it to, or near, the top, our Academy and Fergie will get a lot of credit.
At Arsenal, I think he has somewhat improved himself. His possession play and passing have really caught my attention. But his finishing still needs polishing.
Wishing him luck. If he make it to, or near, the top, our Academy and Fergie will get a lot of credit.
Not the only one, but the most important one. And I rate Hernandez higher than Welbeck when it comes to playing as a striker.
I don't get that Welbeck's all round game is excellent. It isn't. It is decent but that's it. His passing is okay but nothing special, his crossing is poor, his finishing is poor, control of the ball is okay but not great. Despite his strength, he can't shield the ball like Sturridge for example. etc etc. Far from excellent.
Also, there is nothing to suggest that he can get 15 goals plus per season. This has been predicted in Caf since the beginning of the time, but it hasn't happened yet. His average in his 3 senior seasons here is 8 goals per season. This year when he has been playing as the main striker (for the most of time) he has only 6. And he has played like half of the games he'll play this season. If he continues like this, he won't reach 15 goals again, but then people here will anyway claim that he's a 15+ or 20+ goals per season striker, regardless that he isn't. Or at-least hasn't been so far and those assumptions that he'll get those many goals per season are based on absolutely nothing.
Our recent run of results has been largely fueled by our strikers being absolutely ruthless in front of goal. Based on that, Welbz would have been a failure if he was here. If he ever even got a game to play, that is. Still looking like a great decision to let him move on.
The counter argument is that his pace would have been useful. I don't buy that at all. We've scored quite a few 'fast' goals already this season. Like the first goal yesterday, for example.
In Wilsons defense hes 5 years under and still developing where hes ideal as a 4th striker.
Bit shit for a support striker then. He's not exactly picking out killer passes or stringing play together.
He's basically decent allround yet not good enough in any department to have an actual position.
He might make an excellent wingback one day though. That's where I'd play him.
It's unfair to compare a player with 5 years experience and a player with about 5 games.
Bottom line with Welbeck - decent player but I don't see anything in him to suggest he'll become a great forward. Composure is something you have or you don't, and he seems lacking.
I suspect what happened at United will happen at Arsenal and he'll be shunted out wide regularly either for Giroud or when Arsenal finally spend big on a striker.
Composure is something you can develop. There are plenty of things you can't, but that's the most obvious one that you can.Seems like Yesterday that everyone was comparing the number of goals Rooney & RVP have as compared to Welbeck, both well ahead of Welbeck now.
Ah, but Welbeck had a good month in december last year - definite proof he only needed a run in his proper position, etc. It's the rest of his career that's the anomaly here.
Style wise, Welbeck suits Arsenal very well. He's a non-scoring striker with good hold up play. His style suits Arsenal more than United because Arsenal have more goal scoring midfield players. He fits in really well with Arsenal's style but his flaws (flatters to deceive, poor final ball, misses key chances in big games) are also the team's flaws so he won't make any significant difference to their success or otherwise. Just another cog in their 4th placed machine. Sanchez on the other hand was a potential difference maker as a signing.
Good deal, for us.
Just 1 goal and 1 assist in his last 12 games for Arsenal. Genuinely thought he'd be getting 15 league goals this season.
Yesterday he was running across Sanchez, during that counter attack which resulted in Arsenal's second goal. Almost fecked up that move.
taglined.
are you over it yet?
I have watched a few Arsenal games this season and it does show that WelWelbejust hasn't got enough experience as a striker yet. His all round game is good and he links up well with other players, he works hard and wins the ball back several times per game in dangerous areas.
What he lacks is the attacking movement and finishing required to be a top striker. This may come in time, but he needs to be playing up front and needs a clinical striker to learn from. I can't help but feel that if he were here, having RVP and Falcao to learn from would benefit Danny a lot. That said, if Henry returns to arsenal as a coach then we might see Welbeck develop similarly.
What he lacks is the attacking movement and finishing required to be a top striker. This may come in time, but he needs to be playing up front and needs a clinical striker to learn from. I can't help but feel that if he were here, having RVP and Falcao to learn from would benefit Danny a lot. That said, if Henry returns to arsenal as a coach then we might see Welbeck develop similarly.
It's pretty funny reading how many people were so sure that Webeck was a better option than Rooney, Van Persie or Falcao for this season - all of them were questioned at the start, particularly Van Persie which just looks ridiculous now.
Also a lot of comments about throwing away Top 4 because of the transfer, looks like his impact was massively overstated on both sides.
Also a lot of comments about throwing away Top 4 because of the transfer, looks like his impact was massively overstated on both sides.
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A wingback who is ahead of sturridge in the pecking order for England. Nice
No-one questioned their talent, more their fitness and ability to stay fit
It's a bit rich for a Liverpool fan to come in here and question strikers goal scoring ability
How many have your strikers scored this season?
Not rich at all considering the strikers who have actually played have not been hyped in any w
I'd seen nothing to suggest Rooney or Van Persie would have struggled in those areas. You can argue Falcao with his recent injury, but given he's a far superior striker to Welbeck, it's a gamble worth taking and we had Wilson as a backup to him anyway.
Many people said Van Persie was basically washed up and had Welbeck as the better option, which was laughable.
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A lot of people said that we should have gotten rid of RVP instead of him, because Welbeck is fast or something. Completely based on their ability as a player, which was comical then as it is now.
A lot of people said RVP should be shipped out because of his form last season and early season, it looked like he wasn't putting the effort in, plus he was constantly injured. Was nothing to do with Welbeck.
A lot of people couldn't see why it wasn't possible to have Welbeck as one of the four to give us something different. Considering LVG has promoted Wilson because of his pace that's a fair question.
A lot of people couldn't see why it wasn't possible to have Welbeck as one of the four to give us something different. Considering LVG has promoted Wilson because of his pace that's a fair question.
You're twist I bit a bit H. People did say vN pressie was washed up yes, but no one suggested Welbeck was a better option based on talent alone.
His form last season had him at a better goal per game ratio than the season prior, where he was one of the main reasons we won it. I found it strange that people seemed to give little thought to the context of it being one of our worst seasons ever, certainly the worst most of us can remember with very few players being able to hold their heads high. Especially with Van Persie coming off Fergie's final season where he was in absolutely incredible form, it seemed far more likely a season of Moyes football and injuries was the reason for his poor season, than Van Persie managing to just completely lose it after a year. Even then, had he had the same amount of games last season, he was on track to outscore the previous season.
Read the first early pages of this thread and a lot of the Van Persie thread at the time, there are loads of comments with people saying Welbeck is the better player for this season. Even more in this thread had it directly as this - if we are letting one striker go for Falcao to come in, it should have been Van Persie not Welbeck.
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